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[Bocks]

This forum made me lose faith in humanity, pretty much. It also made me despise Mass Effect 3 with a passion, though I already hated it from when I picked it up. With the massive amounts of inconsistencies, biased choices, autodialogue, ridiculously easy combat (even on insanity), poor development choices, painful pandering, terrible storyline, sidelining of everyone we cared about, streamlining of choices, lack of consequence for choices, horrendous graphical direction, waste of development resources, atrocious quest system and to top it all of an insult of an ending, it's not just not possible for me to like this game. Easily the worst installment in the whole trilogy.

[ploppy54]

Chris Priestly wrote...

kookie28 wrote...

I can feel a lockdown coming.

Nope. Not unless people take this off topic. It is germaine to ME3.

To those who have had a negative expereince here (other posters, mods, me, whatever) what can be done to improve your experience here in the future?

All i ask is you talk to us.  I have so many questions but you are never here, i know you probably can't discuss the future DLC EC stuff and respect that.  I also know there are people here that would rip into you and rip apart anything you might say.  I live in the UK and would have loved to come to PAX but these forums are the closest thing i have to talking to the people involved but noone is here and the topics are the same over and over again.  Maybe you could set up a Q&A forum and then just answer questions that you could/want to without causing yourself any trouble and not giving the BW haters (why they even hang around is beyond me) any ammo to fire at you.  

[Daramatis]

WaffleCrab wrote...

Daramatis wrote...

WaffleCrab wrote...

bluewolv1970 wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

kookie28 wrote...

I can feel a lockdown coming.

Nope. Not unless people take this off topic. It is germaine to ME3.

To those who have had a negative expereince here (other posters, mods, me, whatever) what can be done to improve your experience here in the future?

perhaps treat the issues that are reported more seriously, such as the issue with not being able to get 4000+ ems in SP - NOT ONE PERSON repsonded in that thread to even acknowledge the problem for over a month and the only acknowledgement was to close the thread, problem unfixed - I was not aware that threads got closed when problems weret are not fixed yet...that suggests you simply want to ignore the problem since you are discouraging discussion...

NG+ with an imported ME3 character with past ME1 and ME2 playthroughs gets you 4000+

I'm afraid not - I really really wish it were the case that we could get to the 4,000 EMS (rather than TMA).

From the General Forum (now locked and moved to platform-specific forums):
http://social.biowar...ndex/10481662/1

From the XBox forum:
http://social.biowar.../index/11655962

From the PC forum:
http://social.biowar...6749/1#11685049

But it is now being looked into as a possible bug.

In the meantime... 

I had a pure paragon ME1 max level, ME2 max level(280K of each resource) perfect paragon endings, and renegade where it mattered. All miniatures from me2, and all collected in m3 and all bought, all fishes also(believe it or not they count as assets both the fish and miniatures on NG+ friend told me but i never chekked to close) and i got slightly over 4K assets on my NG+ i am starting another NG+ in about a week i will be more than happy to link you to a screen shot of the assets when that happens.

  This conversation has occurred a few times on the original locked thread (referenced above) - with differences arising for a few reasons - the main one being referencing Total Military Assets rather than Effective Military Strength (the important stat, the lower of the two).  Some people did benefit from some asset values being double counted at one point though.

I detailed my individual assets near the bottom of:

http://social.biowar...ndex/11655962/1

This isn't the correct forum for going much further with this discussion and I don't want it being locked down because of straying off topic, but I would be interested in a screen shot of your assets, as you  offered - over at the xbox or pc tech support forums - I'd be most obliged.

[DownyTif]

For my part, the damage started with DA2 and having the feeling I was lied to from day 1. The fact that I pre-ordered made me sick. The attitude of official spokesman about DA2 made me sick also.

Prior to ME3, I've been raging on this forum about the fact that EA Origin was forced on me. Because of that, I wasn't looking to ME3. Then I started playing. ME3 actually made me feel a little like old times when my love for Bioware was unconditional. I loved the game. Really. Until the end. I felt empty and not satisfied. Like when you are about to reach nirvana, the conclusion to this magnificent story and bang, it stops without warning and delivers everything you hate: non-closure. Oh plus the fact that we were flat out lied to about the ABC choices, that ME3 was the final conclusion to Shep's story (that's the exact reason why the ending matters A LOT, and not just the game) and that multiplayer isn't required for the best ending (secret clip).

Forum didn't help either. I understand moderators are humans and must be tired of getting attacked, but it's part of their job. Many times I felt that moderators were just waiting for a small mistake or reason to close a thread that wasn't positive to EA, Bioware.

One final thing: the face import bug. How in hell did this slip out of QA? According to Bioware, the game was finished 3 months before release, so they made From Ashes. And you leave a bug like that without a day-0 patch? I was astonished to read that and to experience it after.

Before, you could feel the love in their game, the dedication of the team from the janitor to both Docs. Now their games feel like... money money money. DLCs everywhere. I know they must make $ to exists, but there is a line between rushing jobs to cash-in and making old-time Bioware games that still bring money because of quality, not PR. The love feeling in the game is not there anymore, now it's all about $ and how to make the most of it (DLCs, lies, etc.)

So, for me, now Bioware doesn't stand out of the crowd anymore. Their games have the best characters in all the industry (relationship, dialogs, romance, etc.). But because of DA2, of the ME3 ending, and especially Origin, it will take a miracle to convince me into pre-ordering again and huge sale prices to convince me to buy a game, new.

After being lied to so many times, the trust is gone obviously.

[ShinsFortress]

Yes.

It is the lemon juice to the paper cut that was DA2. Since ME3 came out, I have not and will not be purchasing any more Bioware games or DLC. This is only likely to change if a new ending is produced, the EC is somehow miraculously good or Bioware issue a decent apology not full of bullish "artistic integrity" rubbish that flies against my Joss Whedon-esque view.

[DamonD7]

Sabrestrikealpha wrote...
In Dispute Resolution, there is a concept called "looping." Basically, this is a process where you use a phrase like "If I'm hearing you correctly . . . " or "Just so we understand each other . . . " to verify that you have heard and understood what you are being told and provides an opportunity to ask for additional clarification. The basic process should be broken down into the following steps:

1. Ask for feedback

2. Feedback is given

3. Looping

4. Resolution

Right now, I'd say that Steps 1 and 2 have been completed, but you are skipping Step 3. You have asked for feedback with the oft-maligned "we're listening" phrase, so step 1 is completed. Players have completed step 2 by providing a laundry list of complaints about what they found wrong. However, there has been no good indication that Bioware has heard/understood what is being told to them by the players. It is entirely possible that you are, but without Step 3, the player's are not provided with any outward indication that this is happening. We have not gotten any sort of response that says "OK, you don't like the ending because of x,y,z reasons" that allows us to either confirm that you are listening, or for us to step in and correct the misunderstanding.  We are left to assume that Bioware is listening or rely on cryptic Twitter posts from those involved. Given that trust is in short supply around here, neither one of these is particularly satisfying to the community. If you want to get to Step 4 faster and with less permanent damage, I would suggest engaging a bit more with the community and asking for specifics if you don't understand something.

Hmm...pretty fair comment, really.

I don't think the forums have affected my attitude on all this in a major way. If anything, they've helped me to think through and work out my feelings on how ME3 ended and the trilogy in general. For instance, my initial choice of ending was Synthesis yet, by God, it's my least favourite option by far now I've been able to mull it over and see other opinions on it.

I am sad to see so much pessimism and distrust here. Occasions where someone pops into a thread (or Twitter message) just to get in another quick attack unrelated to the subject helps absolutely no-one. But on the other hand it's more than understandable why a lot of people are feeling that way. PR speak and non-disclosure may be a reason, hands are tied, but that still doesn't make the problem go away.

Feels like bridges have been burnt on both 'sides', depressing as it is to have to use that term, and there isn't much interest in rebuilding. Communication is good, even better when it's actual talk. The reactions to the Patrick Weekes conversation thread were very telling...it wasn't even that everyone was thrilled with what was being said, just that there was clear recognition of some of the issues and wasn't wrapped up in PR.

Sabrestrikealpha looping explanation seems exactly right. And funnily enough, something in my job that I absolutely use each and every time to avoid any screw-ups down the line due to mistaken conclusions.

Modifié par DamonD7, 26 avril 2012 - 02:39 .

[PaulSX]

ME3 definitely changed my view on BioWare a bit. I did not get this game on the launch day since the last BioWare game I pre-ordered (Dragon Age 2) was not good. But later some critic reviews convinced me to buy the game on week 3, and it turns out I thoroughly enjoyed my two play throughs of the main game and had some fun in multi-player. Right now, I kinda have some hope for dragon age 3.

BSN somehow ruined my enjoyment of the game. After beating the game, I logged into BSN and wanted to read how others feel about the game, but the raging fans made the forum look like a gruesome battlefield. But I still found some really good topics like the Indoctrination Theory thread.

Will I buy another BioWare game?
Yes. ME3 convinced me BioWare still can do good game production

Will I pre-order another BioWare game?
probably not, but it's mainly because of my unpleasant gaming experience with Dragon Age 2.
for next Bioware game, i will read reviews first like what i did with Mass Effect 3

[XqctaX]

Chris Priestly wrote...

kookie28 wrote...

I can feel a lockdown coming.

Nope. Not unless people take this off topic. It is germaine to ME3.

To those who have had a negative expereince here (other posters, mods, me, whatever) what can be done to improve your experience here in the future?

to include the things in the games that are promised and/or hinted as included in the pr for the gameers, mods, me,

[Emzamination]

It hasn't affected me at all, I will always be there in line to Pre-order Bioware rpg releases and so will each and every  one of you if only to complain "Yet another bioware game has failed to meet our expectations".Hold the line? Ha!

Modifié par Emzamination, 26 avril 2012 - 04:07 .

[Elvis_Mazur]

Yes, a lot.

[JackofStaves]

Can't say that I've had a bad experience yet on the Mass Effect or Dragon Age forums. There's tons of angst, sure, but that doesn't really bother or effect me. It'd be nice if some of my fellow posters would re-read what they're writing, before hitting the Submit button, but where's the fun in that? And I totally understand why we don't see more ME staff chiming into the threads. C'mon, given the way people descend on them like, well, a horde of Reapers, is anyone really surprised? It is pretty cool to see some of the DA folks jumping in as players.

Naw, I think the forums are peachy. Doesn't affect my view of Bioware negatively at all, frankly...

[gabrien]

My opinion of Bioware in the last few months has become seriously damaged. So much so that I doubt I will continue to give them any more of my money than they already have. It is a feeling of being let down on MANY levels, for many reasons. The forums, the game ending, the imo seemingly condescending attitude towards fans, being unable to register the game (me personally).

Sure, if they make a great game in the future I will probably buy it. But I wont be pre ordering anything or buying it new and unopened. I will pick myself up a used copy from a buy swap and trade game bin at one of my local game stores. Nothing more than that.

[bluewolv1970]

Bioware is committing fraud by saying all SP content is available without needing to play MP or own an iphone, when it is not true and then if a thread is opened to discuss how to access said SP content with SP only, no constructive answers are provided by ANY Bioware Employee and the thread is closed (to hide the deceit presumably)...

[Matchy Pointy]

If anything it changed my view on people, and internetpeople in particular. But that opinion wasnt very high to begin with...

[dragonflight288]

Not really. I still plan to buy future Bioware games IF I'm interested in the game itself. If they made a puzzle game or a strategy game with no RPG elements, I'd be less inclined to buy it. If they make another RPG, I'll give it more attention.

[Emzamination]

bluewolv1970 wrote...

Bioware is committing fraud by saying all SP content is available without needing to play MP or own an iphone, when it is not true and then if a thread is opened to discuss how to access said SP content with SP only, no constructive answers are provided by ANY Bioware Employee and the thread is closed (to hide the deceit presumably)...

They did not, you need the full trilogy plus all trilogy dlc.

[SalsaDMA]

Emzamination wrote...

bluewolv1970 wrote...

Bioware is committing fraud by saying all SP content is available without needing to play MP or own an iphone, when it is not true and then if a thread is opened to discuss how to access said SP content with SP only, no constructive answers are provided by ANY Bioware Employee and the thread is closed (to hide the deceit presumably)...

They did not, you need the full trilogy plus all trilogy dlc.

Only if you consider future, currently unreleased asset giving, DLCs.

And even so, the statement should also hold true for any purchasers, regardless of platform, as they didn't differentiate when they made the statement. As far as I am aware, PS owners are even more short on assets than on other platforms.

[AlanC9]

Arcian wrote...

Emzamination wrote...

bluewolv1970 wrote...

Bioware is committing fraud by saying all SP content is available without needing to play MP or own an iphone, when it is not true and then if a thread is opened to discuss how to access said SP content with SP only, no constructive answers are provided by ANY Bioware Employee and the thread is closed (to hide the deceit presumably)...

They did not, you need the full trilogy plus all trilogy dlc.

I have the full trilogy and every single piece of SP story DLC available in all three games, and I still couldn't get over 3700 EMS without resorting to multiplayer or the iOS apps.

But really shouldn't have locked the big thread on this.

Long story short, Arcian and bluewolv1970 are correct. Unless you're playing with a modified coaslesced.bin, there just aren't enough points.

[BiancoAngelo7]

Chris Priestly wrote...

kookie28 wrote...

I can feel a lockdown coming.

Nope. Not unless people take this off topic. It is germaine to ME3.

To those who have had a negative expereince here (other posters, mods, me, whatever) what can be done to improve your experience here in the future?

Well... no longer randomly locking threads that criticize the game using any plausible "rule breaking" excuse to do so while at the same time threatening disciplinary action would be a start...

Moving threads you deem to contain "spoilers" to the spoiler forum instead of locking them just because they criticize the game would also be step in the right direction, as that's what mods are supposed to do anyway, just like when you moved the thread I made about texture mods.

I mean dude...you locked one thread because of "advertising" because the thread was asking if people wanted to send a 3D marauder shields cake to Bioware, and then you locked one of my threads for saying that the Reapers in ME3 don't explode, they just fall down, which apparently by your definition are spoilers, and top it all off with a threat? And that's just two examples in the last 3 days.

Your interaction in the forums lately have been predominantly one sided, vague and categorically unresponsive. When paired with your (sometimes) passive aggressive tones and in my case baseless threats for disciplinary action, then it all makes us feel like you're just there to tug the party line of Bioware and EA, and anything we have to say that doesn't revolve around how super duper terrific you guys were in your work on the game is just stupid nonsense.

It doesn't matter how many times you say "we're listening" if everything else is a contradiction of that statement. In fact, reactions and attitudes like yours online have contributed to the "we're listening" phrase to become the punch line of a bad joke.

Apologies if this seems overly critical of you personally, you are not the only one that is "guilty" of this, many other mods have had the same approach to moderating, and it is a culture of communication (or lack thereof) that trickles down all the way from the big bosses to the mouthpieces on Twitter *cough* Merizan *cough* that have in the best case, nothing honest to say about the multitude of issues that have arisen with ME3 and Bioware's business practice, and in the worst case are outright deceptive or passive aggressive towards fans with legitimate concerns that have not been, and continue to not be addressed.

I understand that you all have a job to do, and I personally appreciate that you do it, but there's nothing wrong in making mistakes, so long as they're not habitually repeated or at least something is learned from them.

You asked, so there's my opinion, hope it didn't come across as arrogant or rude. Cheers.

Edit: Also, you guys need a special list onto which you can note and write down how many times certain people get flagged and reported for trolling and flaming. Because there are some users on these forums that literally almost EVERYONE knows about being trolls, but nothing is ever done and I even know of one user "Loop" who got temp banned for messaging a mod to report one such troll, when he told me we were both just completely dumbfounded...

Then when you see the same names popping up on that list you should have again and again and again and again....maybe it would be time to at least warn them? If they keep up showing up on the list then maybe a ban??? Just a polite suggestion...

Modifié par BiancoAngelo7, 26 avril 2012 - 06:45 .

[Forsythia]

It's starting to get annoying that perfectly reasonable threads are closed with a simple LOCKDOWN! I understand there are a lot of threads that are nothing more than spam, but come on, a simple tweet from a dev is no reason to close a thread, allowing for no further discussion. Why is that? Yeah, I'm talking about the 4000+ EMS thread. There was no reason to close it, other than to cover up the issue. A conspiracy theory? It might be, but the moderating here surely does nothing to disprove that.

[yodasith]

i like the games. as a ps3 owner i feal like we are getting the shaft as to the Multiplayer side. things like the Battlefield 3 Pack (xbox and pc only ), the action figure packs dlc ( again xbox and pc only ), and not forget the Operation weekend ( again xbox and pc only ). all this shows is they sold out to micosoft as to the first two and as to the 3rd they did not think/ if ea woukld have remember the the hole battlefield bad company 2 vietnam community unlock idea. on both xbox 360 and ps3 deo to bugs did not unlock. they had to give it as a new years gift to both. the only one to unlock it was pc. did any one at ea say. maybe this of me3 is a bad idea. i bet not.

let me move on to the story part of the game. the end it is to light. but when i saw ther hiden endding. i said of there more comeing to his/her story in the form of dlc. or even a new game. so i will wait to see what happens with the story side. before i cry the end sucks.

[RACDB]

The whining is comedy gold for me so no.