376 réponses à ce sujet

[SalsaDMA]

regarding the lockdowns:

I feel the forums took a huge turn for the worse when you started the whole segregation of regeistered/non-registered forum users. Especially since it have been turned into something of a blunt stick to be swiped at dissidents every time they state something you don't appreciate.

You don't like people talking about the single most controversial issue in the game in the non-spoiler forum? Well, maybe give access to people to the right forum for discussing it then, instead of just waltzing around and locking every thread with it. You're not giving yourself any bonuspoints by trying to disallow people to talk about the issues they actually care about.

[-Spartan]

Forsythia wrote...

It's starting to get annoying that perfectly reasonable threads are closed with a simple LOCKDOWN! I understand there are a lot of threads that are nothing more than spam, but come on, a simple tweet from a dev is no reason to close a thread, allowing for no further discussion. Why is that? Yeah, I'm talking about the 4000+ EMS thread. There was no reason to close it, other than to cover up the issue. A conspiracy theory? It might be, but the moderating here surely does nothing to disprove that.

I have to agree. There was not violation of the rules in that thread that I saw. It was meaningless to lock it except to silence the people posting in it.  

[Drone223]

EDIT: Nevermind

Modifié par Drone223, 26 avril 2012 - 08:12 .

[Krogangreetings]

vailid complaints met with LOCKDOWN mean I'm not looking forward to any EA:Bioware games or paid dlc

the 4000-5000 ems is a huge thing for us in our thread and now we've been split between the various tech forums, where suprise surprise we are ignored again (stupid considering it's a support section)

the 4000-5000 ems thing is the main point for me, but their was the face import, the Hanar quest glitch etc all met with locks and lies

I can't look forward to anything EA:Bioware because who knows of they are even telling the truth anymore

Modifié par Krogangreetings, 26 avril 2012 - 08:18 .

[Nefla]

My outlook isn't good. That's mostly due to the lack of communication from BioWare to the fans. On the Dragon Age subforums, there are people who worked on the games replying to a lot of threads and answering questions and replying to fans. ME forums is just silence with a rare PR statement stickied and then that's all. I'm getting the impression that BW just doesn't want us as fans anymore. We're clingy and obsessed, and even those of us who are polite with our concerns about the game are pretty vocal.

[Gatt9]

SalsaDMA wrote...

regarding the lockdowns:

I feel the forums took a huge turn for the worse when you started the whole segregation of regeistered/non-registered forum users. Especially since it have been turned into something of a blunt stick to be swiped at dissidents every time they state something you don't appreciate.

You don't like people talking about the single most controversial issue in the game in the non-spoiler forum? Well, maybe give access to people to the right forum for discussing it then, instead of just waltzing around and locking every thread with it. You're not giving yourself any bonuspoints by trying to disallow people to talk about the issues they actually care about.

It gets even worse when you consider that their board software is broken.  I changed email addresses,  so it's impossible for me to register any of my games because their board software is unable to handle such an obvious use-case.

______________________________________________________________________________________

On topic

The DA2 team acted like I was wrong because the design for DA2 was bad,  trying to insinuate that wanting the sequel to be like the original was somehow "Bad"...

Then the ME3 team kept dodging the question of whether or not single player would affect multiplayer.

Then Woo flat out insulted me for protesting the absurd amounts of DLC,  and the fact that it was obviously cut content.  Insinuating I am cheap for expecting everything on the disc I bought to be accessible without having hidden charges.

Then it turned out that the ME3 team was flat out lieing when they said I could achieve the optimal ending in SP without touching MP.

This isn't the Bioware I had trusted,  and it's definitely decreased the odds of me buying another Bioware product to near-0. 

[Yuqi]

RACDB wrote...

The whining is comedy gold for me so no.

+10

Not really,  but the local-bar on the other hand has affected my veiw of ME. Nothing like a bunch of drunk gamers to turn a 'bad' game into something hillarious. Although with ME3 it was more about the reactions(Retake.) So now there is an expectation of  a retake easter-egg making it into a bioware game.:innocent:

Modifié par Yuqi, 26 avril 2012 - 11:00 .

[The Sarendoctrinator]

My experience with the forums didn't really effect on my attitude towards ME3. Before it came out, I didn't believe any of the negative rumors that were going around about it, but just in case, I prepared for the worst while hoping for the best. On release date, I checked the game guide before playing to see if it would confirm or deny the rumors, and it confirmed them. So, I decided immediately that I wouldn't play the end... but started playing the rest of the game (as I planned to do no matter how it ended) and had fun. If anything, it helped to find out on the forums ahead of time.

This doesn't change my plan to buy future Mass Effect or BioWare games either. I've never had a big problem with any of their games before this, so I still trust them to make games I enjoy playing. There will be a certain amount of suspicion now instead of automatically thinking, without a doubt, that I'll love everything about the game. It hasn't even changed my decision to buy BioWare games on release date though. Looking forward to DA3.

[royceclemens]

The lock of the 4000 EMS thread is... troubling. Particularly since it was a legitimate complaint and no rules were being broken.

The only ending where Shepard lives requires multiplayer (and potentially real-world money) to get. Why, if I didn't know any better, it would almost seem as though BioWare was LITERALLY holding the life of Commander Shepard for ransom.

My, this developer's classy.

[Splinter Cell 108]

I won't buy another BioWare game without observing it closely beforehand and by closely I mean by looking for honest user reviews not IGN, Gamespot, Gameinformer, etc. Besides if the EC is good I will have what I want, ever since EA bought BioWare I just wanted all 3 ME games without any problems, if what's wrong with ME3 gets fixed I don't think I'll ever have another reason to buy BW games again,

To improve my views on BioWare I would have to witness BioWare releasing games that don't have the kind of problems ME3 and DA2 have and it'll take more than just one release. Aside from that, the feeling of distrust will always remain there, this is not going to fade easily.

[Atakuma]

royceclemens wrote...

The lock of the 4000 EMS thread is... troubling. Particularly since it was a legitimate complaint and no rules were being broken.

The only ending where Shepard lives requires multiplayer (and potentially real-world money) to get. Why, if I didn't know any better, it would almost seem as though BioWare was LITERALLY holding the life of Commander Shepard for ransom.

My, this developer's classy.

The thread was like fifty pages long, if they were trying to cover something up they wouldn't have let go on as long as it did. Also, the shepard lives ending was meant as a secret ending so it stands that you would have to do something extra to get it, I can understand why some would dislike that decision, but quit being so over dramatic trying to paint bioware as some kind of evil villian.

Modifié par Atakuma, 27 avril 2012 - 12:03 .

[TheRealJayDee]

slyguy200 wrote...

-Spartan wrote...

Forsythia wrote...

It's starting to get annoying that perfectly reasonable threads are closed with a simple LOCKDOWN! I understand there are a lot of threads that are nothing more than spam, but come on, a simple tweet from a dev is no reason to close a thread, allowing for no further discussion. Why is that? Yeah, I'm talking about the 4000+ EMS thread. There was no reason to close it, other than to cover up the issue. A conspiracy theory? It might be, but the moderating here surely does nothing to disprove that.

I have to agree. There was not violation of the rules in that thread that I saw. It was meaningless to lock it except to silence the people posting in it.  

+1 BW's forums are full of that kind of stuff, if this is how they work then something is very wrong.

This is standard operating procedure at least since the Origin debate started. I reminded of this from time to time when I stumble upon the only thread I ever started, which was shutdown immediatly. Also lovely how every other topic gets a stickied thread, but the confirmation of Origin requirement (after months of asking) wasn't stickied, and we were told that "if people discuss the topic it will stay on top of the forum anyways". A very reassuring way to communicate highly controversial REQUIREMENTS to play the game. DA2 changes, Origin, multiplayer, pre-release promises, face import fail, EMS etc - one issue handled worse than the other.

I've said it before and I say it again: Bioware's PR and community mangagement managed (pun intended?) to kill off every little rest of my trust and goodwill. Which is actually quite a feat.

[HermanGunther]

Yes, but not just in regards to Bioware, but their "pet" reviewers such as IGN and Gamespot.

[Maria Caliban]

My opinion of BioWare is the same. My opinion of its forum fans is... the same.

[TheRealJayDee]

Atakuma wrote...

royceclemens wrote... The lock of the 4000 EMS thread is... troubling. Particularly since it was a legitimate complaint and no rules were being broken. The only ending where Shepard lives requires multiplayer (and potentially real-world money) to get. Why, if I didn't know any better, it would almost seem as though BioWare was LITERALLY holding the life of Commander Shepard for ransom. My, this developer's classy

The thread was like fifty pages long, if they were trying to cover something up they wouldn't have let go on as long as it did. Also, the shepard lives ending was meant as a secret ending so it stands that you would have to do something extra to get it, I can understand why some would dislike that decision, but quit being so over dramatic trying to paint bioware as some kind of evil villian.

Then tell me why it was locked. "People called this a bug so we force every discussion about it from the main forum into the depths of the technical issues forums" just seems very fishy. Also, please point me to the Bioware source saying "Deep breath" was a special bonus ending not affected by their various "multiplayer is NOT needed, you can get everything through singleplayer alone" statements.

edit: Actually it was the last big thread dealing with the ongoing face import issues that was closed with the "bug" reasoning. The EMS thread (open for a whole month without any Bioware reaction) was shut down because apparently Gamble tweeting "we're investigating" made further discussion unnecessary.

edit2: Well, actually there was no real need for further discussion, as it was proven rather early on that Bioware was wrong.

Modifié par TheRealJayDee, 27 avril 2012 - 03:06 .

[Blastback]

Atakuma wrote...

royceclemens wrote...

The lock of the 4000 EMS thread is... troubling. Particularly since it was a legitimate complaint and no rules were being broken.

The only ending where Shepard lives requires multiplayer (and potentially real-world money) to get. Why, if I didn't know any better, it would almost seem as though BioWare was LITERALLY holding the life of Commander Shepard for ransom.

My, this developer's classy.

The thread was like fifty pages long, if they were trying to cover something up they wouldn't have let go on as long as it did. Also, the shepard lives ending was meant as a secret ending so it stands that you would have to do something extra to get it, I can understand why some would dislike that decision, but quit being so over dramatic trying to paint bioware as some kind of evil villian.

Doing something special is fine, but they did specificly say that no single player content would be denied to anyone for not using multiplayer.  If they changed their minds they should have said so.  And I can forgive a glitch, no problem, but let us know what's up.

[tishyw]

It hadn't until Chris shut down this thread - http://social.biowar...dex/10481662/73
After closing other threads about this issue and directing people to this one, to then shut this one down without a resolution shows a complete lack of respect for the fans.
The whole single player EMS issue will cause me to carefully examine any future Bioware games, and question the statements made by the devs before the game is released.

[Quxorda]

Yes it has, but only because of the ending. The last 15 minutes really really did sour me to Bioware to some degree (not rage, just disappointment). It was so much lower in quality then the rest of the game, any future play throughs (aside from the extended ending they are releasing..) will most certainly stop after I get to the beam.

[WaffleCrab]

tishyw wrote...

It hadn't until Chris shut down this thread - http://social.biowar...dex/10481662/73
After closing other threads about this issue and directing people to this one, to then shut this one down without a resolution shows a complete lack of respect for the fans.
The whole single player EMS issue will cause me to carefully examine any future Bioware games, and question the statements made by the devs before the game is released.

Wait WHAT! i glanced through the whole message chain and the discussion was civil, on topic and thus far seemed to be in the right place(since its mainly SP issue) Why the hell did he lock it down o_O That is uugh kinda machiavellian right there, if not borderline...detrimental to the community. Locking down a thread already in correct place :S

more on topic, had the most idiotic gold run today, anything that could go wrong with the ME3 servers... did.

first my friend lost connection to mass effect 3 servers... twice! during the same mission. Then our adept is stuck in crouching position and moves around like that, cant ress. cant pick up ammo, cant die etc. BS happening to him. and then our infiltrator Gets stuck in ladders, he could run in the spot, like on a treadmill on any direction and roll etc. but he cant get out xD even if we revived him. The we pulled through wave 10, wave 11 and worst happens... First my mate disappears and he PMs me " lost connection to the ME3 servers Whoop te doo what a surpirse" than few seconds later the other 2 follow suite, seconds later, its my turn.... thats another 1,5€ gone... thank you for the great online service EA/BW who ever is running those servers.

[KreeCapt]

I didn't need to go elsewhere to feel disappointed in the series. BioWare pretty much did it all on it's own. The work itself destroyed any hopes of continued interest on my part.

Shame too, cause it had so much potential...sigh

[Vormaerin]

bluewolv1970 wrote...
the thread is closed (to hide the deceit presumably)...

The thread was open for over a month.  That's hardly suppression of discussion, even if you wanted to keep going around and around with each other for another 70 pages.

[coolbeans]

tishyw wrote...

It hadn't until Chris shut down this thread - http://social.biowar...dex/10481662/73
After closing other threads about this issue and directing people to this one, to then shut this one down without a resolution shows a complete lack of respect for the fans.
The whole single player EMS issue will cause me to carefully examine any future Bioware games, and question the statements made by the devs before the game is released.

Boom F yes, this left me with a really bad taste in my mouth.

There has been no official announcement to the customers that this issue (which makes another complete lie of their claims of MP being just a different path) is being looked into.

We've got the response to a personal tweet on Mr Gambles twitter that the war assetts issue is "being looked at"

Then the thread is locked down, no official post in the BSN, no sticky replacing the one that was lost due to a "Server hiccup"

Never mind the fact that thread went on for the better part of a month and all we got were statements of "Well I managed it from Bioware" with no explanation as to how they managed it, given there's not enough war assetts in the game.

The pish ending and the broken prerelease promises moved Bioware games from a PREORDER THE COLLECTORS EDITION NOW! to a "well I'll just wait a few days till theres some reliable user reviews out.

The response to the EMS issue and the locking down/suppressing of issues has moved it from the "wait for the user reviews" to probably pick it up preowned when its cheap, and I never usually buy used.

The EMS issue was a real pain in our house, I poodled around the Multiplayer fine, but my Wife (who hates MP, she's in it for the story and characters) was borked, given she doesnt have an Xbox live gold account. She's been with Bioware since KOTOR and continually gets invested with their series, to be told that her customer loyalty meant didly squat cause bioware was going after the "online shooter crowd" pissed us right of.

[coolbeans]

Vormaerin wrote...

bluewolv1970 wrote...
the thread is closed (to hide the deceit presumably)...

The thread was open for over a month.  That's hardly suppression of discussion, even if you wanted to keep going around and around with each other for another 70 pages.

The thread was open for a month and even in the face of all the evidence provided that the issue was a real and pertinent one the only response from bioware was either silence, locking down of related threads or pm's from staff stating that it was a non issue and that they personally had managed to achieve the 4000ems in SP only, with no explanation as to how.

The only official Bioware interaction in that thread was the Lockdown message, along with the statement
"As people have pointed out, Mike Gamble has said on his Twitter account
that we are investigating this . When we have information on it, we will
let everyone know."

Not even an anouncement on twitter, this was a reply to someones tweet, apparantly thats the official means of communication.

If only there was some forum they could post on to let fans know they are aware of the issue and are looking into it, some kind of social network for Bioware customers, such a thing would need people in place to manage this community of customers and announce these kind of things....

So Bioware quite neatly banishes the people with the issue to the tech forums, segragating them by platform and, so far, has managed not to acknowledge any of the threads raised their, shrewd management of a problem, but crappy customer service

[DogmeatPryde]

never buying another bioware game on release date that is for sure. 2 months later and it's on sale for 29.99 on amazon for DOD. I could have waited bought it at 29.99 and still be twiddling my thumbs wondering when I can play since the face import feature still does not work.