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[Pax of Doom]

Dude_in_the_Room wrote...

If you need a Forbes article to get through...then something is wrong.

Forbes has more credibility, and a stronger point of authority, than the average BSN poster.  They can speak from a place of knowledge when it comes to business practices.  They also have a larger reach and broader audience than BSN.  In essence, they are mainstream whereas BSN is an internet clique.  The stockholders and boardroom members of EA/BioWare read Forbes and publications like it, not BSN or Facebook.

That Forbes is giving this so much attention must be disconcerting.  They aren't letting it drop, they're calling attention to every step.

[AJRimmsey]

Pax of Doom wrote...

Dude_in_the_Room wrote...

If you need a Forbes article to get through...then something is wrong.

Forbes has more credibility, and a stronger point of authority, than the average BSN poster.  They can speak from a place of knowledge when it comes to business practices.  They also have a larger reach and broader audience than BSN.  In essence, they are mainstream whereas BSN is an internet clique.  The stockholders and boardroom members of EA/BioWare read Forbes and publications like it, not BSN or Facebook.

That Forbes is giving this so much attention must be disconcerting.  They aren't letting it drop, they're calling attention to every step.

right when you think someones being intelligent,they go and type that.
now unless you are the magazine at bioware expert,you just made that up


as they say in wall street...."if you cant write for a mainstream publication,write a blog,if you cant write a blog,send forbes as many rumours as you can think of"

[Pax of Doom]

AJRimmsey wrote...
right when you think someones being intelligent,they go and type that.
now unless you are the magazine at bioware expert,you just made that up

You're right.  I am not privy to the reading habits of EA board members, nor do I have absolute knowledge of Forbes' subscription list. 

as they say in wall street...."if you cant write for a mainstream
publication,write a blog,if you cant write a blog,send forbes as many
rumours as you can think of"

Please attribute that quote...unless you're making things up.

Edit: I like your login, btw.  I'd say s**gging goit, but I think the joke would be lost on everyone else. 

Modifié par Pax of Doom, 26 avril 2012 - 04:42 .

[Dude_in_the_Room]

Pax of Doom wrote...

Dude_in_the_Room wrote...

If you need a Forbes article to get through...then something is wrong.

Forbes has more credibility, and a stronger point of authority, than the average BSN poster.  They can speak from a place of knowledge when it comes to business practices.  They also have a larger reach and broader audience than BSN.  In essence, they are mainstream whereas BSN is an internet clique.  The stockholders and boardroom members of EA/BioWare read Forbes and publications like it, not BSN or Facebook.

That Forbes is giving this so much attention must be disconcerting.  They aren't letting it drop, they're calling attention to every step.

You're missing the point.  Bioware or EA shouldn't have to read Forbes to get the picture.

To add to the fact that what Forbes is saying isn't new....it's the same regurgitation that any other source is saying.  And no, just b/c it's Forbes does not make it more important.  I know it looks like it and theres some validaty to it, but it's like Gamespot reporting on a NBA game.

Yes there are those that will find the article interesting and yes some of those ppl will have money and could invest or whatever, but like any medium the real damage comes from the core. 

What do you think would be said if:

NO ONE thought the game was good in it's entirety...not just the ending.  Review sites, bloggers, fans, EVERYONE bashed the game.

Then some guy at Forbes wrote how we are all crazy and the game is great.

It doesn't matter.  Where it matters is how the audience for that medium reacts.  Thos 1 writer for Forbes does as much as any other writer.  Forbes might reach a different audience but they don't reach as many gamers.  Then Gamepost might not reach as many business conscience ppl but reach more gamers.

It all evens out....roughly.

[-Spartan]

Pax of Doom wrote...

Dude_in_the_Room wrote...

If you need a Forbes article to get through...then something is wrong.

Forbes has more credibility, and a stronger point of authority, than the average BSN poster.  They can speak from a place of knowledge when it comes to business practices.  They also have a larger reach and broader audience than BSN.  In essence, they are mainstream whereas BSN is an internet clique.  The stockholders and boardroom members of EA/BioWare read Forbes and publications like it, not BSN or Facebook.

That Forbes is giving this so much attention must be disconcerting.  They aren't letting it drop, they're calling attention to every step.

No doubt. That is why I been pushing things as much as possible on the business media side. EA wont listen to gamers and in fact seems to consider them on par with fertilizer but it will listen to investors and other more "worthy" stakeholders. Every downward tick in the stock price (recently a 12+ year low) get more attention and EA executives have to respond to that out of self-interest related to those million dollar salaries. When analysts do research on why a price is dropping articles like the ones at Forbes are where they will start looking and if they recommend to “hold” or “dump” a stock many institutional investors simply do so without question. Ultimately “big-picture” wise that is ALL that matters to the decision makers in a profit based enterprise; especially a publicly traded one.

Business is a wonderful thing – it is of course never personal but I digress...   

Modifié par -Spartan, 26 avril 2012 - 05:15 .

[Dude_in_the_Room]

-Spartan wrote...

Pax of Doom wrote...

Dude_in_the_Room wrote...

If you need a Forbes article to get through...then something is wrong.

Forbes has more credibility, and a stronger point of authority, than the average BSN poster.  They can speak from a place of knowledge when it comes to business practices.  They also have a larger reach and broader audience than BSN.  In essence, they are mainstream whereas BSN is an internet clique.  The stockholders and boardroom members of EA/BioWare read Forbes and publications like it, not BSN or Facebook.

That Forbes is giving this so much attention must be disconcerting.  They aren't letting it drop, they're calling attention to every step.

No doubt. That is why I been pushing things as much as possible on the business media side. EA wont listen to gamers and in fact seems to consider them on par with fertilizer but it will listen to investors and other more "worthy" stakeholders. Every downward tick in the stock price (recently a 12+ year low) get more attention and EA executives have to respond to that out of self-interest related to those million dollar salaries. When analysts do research on why a price is dropping articles like the ones at Forbes are where they will start looking and if they recommend to “hold” or “dump” a stock many institutional investors simply do so without question. Ultimately “big-picture” wise that is ALL that matters to the decision makers in a profit based enterprise; especially a publicly traded one.

Business is a wonderful thing – it is of course never personal but I digress...   

You're giving Forbes way too much credit.  I've been in stocks before and these couple of artilces in Forbes is not what you make a business decision on.

[-Spartan]

Dude_in_the_Room wrote...

-Spartan wrote...

Pax of Doom wrote...

Dude_in_the_Room wrote...

If you need a Forbes article to get through...then something is wrong.

Forbes has more credibility, and a stronger point of authority, than the average BSN poster.  They can speak from a place of knowledge when it comes to business practices.  They also have a larger reach and broader audience than BSN.  In essence, they are mainstream whereas BSN is an internet clique.  The stockholders and boardroom members of EA/BioWare read Forbes and publications like it, not BSN or Facebook.

That Forbes is giving this so much attention must be disconcerting.  They aren't letting it drop, they're calling attention to every step.

No doubt. That is why I been pushing things as much as possible on the business media side. EA wont listen to gamers and in fact seems to consider them on par with fertilizer but it will listen to investors and other more "worthy" stakeholders. Every downward tick in the stock price (recently a 12+ year low) get more attention and EA executives have to respond to that out of self-interest related to those million dollar salaries. When analysts do research on why a price is dropping articles like the ones at Forbes are where they will start looking and if they recommend to “hold” or “dump” a stock many institutional investors simply do so without question. Ultimately “big-picture” wise that is ALL that matters to the decision makers in a profit based enterprise; especially a publicly traded one.

Business is a wonderful thing – it is of course never personal but I digress...   

You're giving Forbes way too much credit.  I've been in stocks before and these couple of artilces in Forbes is not what you make a business decision on.

You are either over simplifying or reading way too much into what I stated. I stated “start looking” implying such articles would be a source not the only source.   

Modifié par -Spartan, 26 avril 2012 - 06:16 .

[Pax of Doom]

[quote]Dude_in_the_Room wrote...
You're missing the point.  Bioware or EA shouldn't have to read Forbes to get the picture.[\\quote]

You're right.  They shouldn't have to.  But BW/EA are likely turtling up with all the negative feedback, hoping things will quiet down or go away.  Notice how the message "2 month old game" is starting to creep in?  That's because apathy is what they want.

[quote]To add to the fact that what Forbes is saying isn't new....it's the same regurgitation that any other source is saying.  And no, just b/c it's Forbes does not make it more important.  I know it looks like it and theres some validaty to it, but it's like Gamespot reporting on a NBA game.[/quote]

Again, you're right.  However, Forbes is a neutral source.  They have no dog in this race.  The ending means nothing to them.  The whole bruhaha over the ending got their attention, and they filter it through their specialty - analyzing businesses, trends, etc.  They have their hand "on the pulse" (haha).  Because they are a neutral source, they can see things differently than both fans and BW can, somewhat how an arbiter sees both sides.

[quote]It doesn't matter.  Where it matters is how the audience for that medium reacts.  Thos 1 writer for Forbes does as much as any other writer.  Forbes might reach a different audience but they don't reach as many gamers.  Then Gamepost might not reach as many business conscience ppl but reach more gamers.

It all evens out....roughly.[/quote]

People are fickle.  They're passionate about it now, but heads are far cooler than they were on March 10th.  How will they be on August 10th?  By then, this will be old news, EA will have released other games, D3, GW2 and other games will be the hot stories.  People will move on, and come March 6, 2013 the only ones still arguing will be die-hards & the former die-hards. 

As for the different audiences, I'd like to think the mainstream coverage showing gamers in a not-stereotypical light is a step forward.  We're no longer Cheeto dust-covered malcontents, we have a respectable hobby! 

[Dude_in_the_Room]

Dude_in_the_Room wrote...

-Spartan wrote...

Pax of Doom wrote...

Dude_in_the_Room wrote...

If you need a Forbes article to get through...then something is wrong.

Forbes has more credibility, and a stronger point of authority, than the average BSN poster.  They can speak from a place of knowledge when it comes to business practices.  They also have a larger reach and broader audience than BSN.  In essence, they are mainstream whereas BSN is an internet clique.  The stockholders and boardroom members of EA/BioWare read Forbes and publications like it, not BSN or Facebook.

That Forbes is giving this so much attention must be disconcerting.  They aren't letting it drop, they're calling attention to every step.

No doubt. That is why I been pushing things as much as possible on the business media side. EA wont listen to gamers and in fact seems to consider them on par with fertilizer but it will listen to investors and other more "worthy" stakeholders. Every downward tick in the stock price (recently a 12+ year low) get more attention and EA executives have to respond to that out of self-interest related to those million dollar salaries. When analysts do research on why a price is dropping articles like the ones at Forbes are where they will start looking and if they recommend to “hold” or “dump” a stock many institutional investors simply do so without question. Ultimately “big-picture” wise that is ALL that matters to the decision makers in a profit based enterprise; especially a publicly traded one.

Business is a wonderful thing – it is of course never personal but I digress...   

You're giving Forbes way too much credit.  I've been in stocks before and these couple of artilces in Forbes is not what you make a business decision on.

Didn't really read what you said right.  Yes, this will be one article of many.  I still think ppl are giving Forbes too much credit. 

There are the sales that ME series has made, then theres glowing reviews about ME3, then theres how every ME games sales increased (as far as I know), theres the fact that Forbes probably isn't going to cover the downward spiral of SWTOR.

This ME3 news is just a footnote.  Again, I know you're just saying it's part of it, but the "excitement" some ppl are showing for these couple of articles is fool hearted.

[Darth Krytie]

Pax of Doom wrote...

Please attribute that quote...unless you're making things up.

Edit: I like your login, btw.  I'd say s**gging goit, but I think the joke would be lost on everyone else. 

I'm surprised that smeg gets the star treatment.


I'm surprised how many of these Mass Effect issues are getting printed in the blog. Makes me think there's a slow newsweek, tbh.

[abaris]

Dude_in_the_Room wrote...


You're missing the point.  Bioware or EA shouldn't have to read Forbes to get the picture.

To add to the fact that what Forbes is saying isn't new....it's the same regurgitation that any other source is saying.  And no, just b/c it's Forbes does not make it more important.  I know it looks like it and theres some validaty to it, but it's like Gamespot reporting on a NBA game.

The point is, magazines like Forbes have more weight than the combined posts of everyone being for or against the ending situation.

Rightly or wrongly, it's considered a serious magazine and it certainly carries more weight than all the gamers mags when it comes to economical situation.

So, yes, they're not saying anything new, but they're saying it in a mainstream magazine that usually isn't concerned with gaming issues. That says quite a lot about the public reception of the whole matter cause otherwise their editor wouldn't have bought that article.

[Mylia Stenetch]

abaris wrote...
The point is, magazines like Forbes have more weight than the combined posts of everyone being for or against the ending situation.

Rightly or wrongly, it's considered a serious magazine and it certainly carries more weight than all the gamers mags when it comes to economical situation.

So, yes, they're not saying anything new, but they're saying it in a mainstream magazine that usually isn't concerned with gaming issues. That says quite a lot about the public reception of the whole matter cause otherwise their editor wouldn't have bought that article.

This is a blogger that blogs for forbes, it is no where tied to the magazine. If I go pick up a Forbes magazine and see that there is a article on ME3 then it would be something, but it will not be. Also to note:

http://www.forbes.co...orth-revisited/ 

The blogs on the site are trying to reach the geek base to garner hits. Buisnesspeople/stockholders would be too busy looking at the tickertape or a Buisness News Network than Forbes on what ME3 is doing.

[-Spartan]

Mylia Stenetch wrote...

abaris wrote...
The point is, magazines like Forbes have more weight than the combined posts of everyone being for or against the ending situation.

Rightly or wrongly, it's considered a serious magazine and it certainly carries more weight than all the gamers mags when it comes to economical situation.

So, yes, they're not saying anything new, but they're saying it in a mainstream magazine that usually isn't concerned with gaming issues. That says quite a lot about the public reception of the whole matter cause otherwise their editor wouldn't have bought that article.

This is a blogger that blogs for forbes, it is no where tied to the magazine. If I go pick up a Forbes magazine and see that there is a article on ME3 then it would be something, but it will not be. Also to note:

http://www.forbes.co...orth-revisited/ 

The blogs on the site are trying to reach the geek base to garner hits. Buisnesspeople/stockholders would be too busy looking at the tickertape or a Buisness News Network than Forbes on what ME3 is doing.

Blanket statements are a b**h to defend.

I’m a  businessman, an investor and small business owner as well as a consultant and I have time. Hell I like to think there are many others like me out there. After all we have doctors, lawyers and professors posting to this forum. Things that you go hmmmm…. 

Modifié par -Spartan, 26 avril 2012 - 01:54 .

[Mylia Stenetch]

-Spartan wrote...
Blanket statements are a b**h to defend.

I’m a  businessman, an investor and small business owner as well as a consultant and I have time. Hell I like to think there are many others like me out there. After all we have doctors, lawyers and professors posting to this forum. Things that you go hmmmm…. 

Wow I never tought that Doctors, lawyers, and small buisness owners play video games. It does not make me go hmmmmm.... cause it is their opinions from playing the game. They did not go to Forbes online and look into the tech blog section about ME3.

As I said, if you open the Forbes magazine and there is a featured article about ME3 on it then that is one thing. It is a Forbes blog post, getting people to gets hits on their sites to generate revenue. That is why the guy reposted about Smaug's fictional wealth. It gets people who were wriled up to read it.

Any online news site is like this, they get a rumour and run with it, or something that people are showing some positive or negative respone to generate more hits. That is what they are doing, it is not going to EA stockholders, or large investment firms.

[XTR3M3]

That article author had it right on for me. ME3 is either going to be vindicated or go down as "the one with the biggest series ending disappointments in gaming history". I will be voting with my wallet afterwards....either pro or con depending on what the EC DLC fixes.

[Mark Mays]

Well hell I'm a judge, in between hearings and I read the Forbes piece. CEOs and the like have people to collect news sources and create brief that shows news relevant to whatever is happening on the day. It is not at all crazy to think that some EA people have seen, or more likely, are following Kain's blog. They are also checking to see if other blogs/reporters continue to cover the issue. Kain is in a unique position in covering game culture; he doesn't write for a gaming magazine that may have concerns about giving a big company bad press and then losing teh exclusive access.

I didn't come to ME until 2, I'm not immersed in the lore. I thought the ME3 ending was awful speculative fiction, as bad as the BSG ending. However I was surprised at the reaction to the game, the organized protests. These people have an absolute right to have their concerns heard and I like what they're doing generally. To me they are not petulant kids. They are doing what citizens in a democracy ought to do. It is up to EA/BW to react or not, and it seems that they have.

[Mylia Stenetch]

Mark Mays wrote...

Well hell I'm a judge, in between hearings and I read the Forbes piece. CEOs and the like have people to collect news sources and create brief that shows news relevant to whatever is happening on the day. It is not at all crazy to think that some EA people have seen, or more likely, are following Kain's blog. They are also checking to see if other blogs/reporters continue to cover the issue. Kain is in a unique position in covering game culture; he doesn't write for a gaming magazine that may have concerns about giving a big company bad press and then losing teh exclusive access.

I didn't come to ME until 2, I'm not immersed in the lore. I thought the ME3 ending was awful speculative fiction, as bad as the BSG ending. However I was surprised at the reaction to the game, the organized protests. These people have an absolute right to have their concerns heard and I like what they're doing generally. To me they are not petulant kids. They are doing what citizens in a democracy ought to do. It is up to EA/BW to react or not, and it seems that they have.

I think the problem for some people (on both sides) are trying to brush either side of with one stroke. This is either if they like it or not, the most extreme though is the "pro-enders" going after the the people who want change. EA/Bioware did reply and are giving something due to the complaints, then people are still annoyed/angry about it. I do belive people should express their opinions in a constructive manner, but it is the small pocket of people that are being more extreme which people will pick out and say this is the group. 

[StarcloudSWG]

The point of the On/Off campaign is to generate the numbers for Bioware to see.

EA runs by numbers. If it isn't quantifiable, if it can't be put into a pie chart, it might as well not exist.

You play the game on one day; that generates the numbers of people who own the game and want to play it.

You DON'T play the game on the next day. That generates the numbers of people who are disappointed by the ending.

At least, that's the idea. However, it's very likely only going to generate the numbers of people who have heard about and agree with the campaign.

[Atakuma]

StarcloudSWG wrote...

The point of the On/Off campaign is to generate the numbers for Bioware to see.

EA runs by numbers. If it isn't quantifiable, if it can't be put into a pie chart, it might as well not exist.

You play the game on one day; that generates the numbers of people who own the game and want to play it.

You DON'T play the game on the next day. That generates the numbers of people who are disappointed by the ending.

At least, that's the idea. However, it's very likely only going to generate the numbers of people who have heard about and agree with the campaign.

Another problem with this is that there is no way to separate the poeple who are "protesting" from the people who are simply not playing the game.

[XTR3M3]

I hope the "on/off" thing works. My gut feeling is it is going to be like those gasoline boycotts. People are dissatisfied and upset but just not enough of them will do the "on/off" thing to make it matter. At the very least the PR trolls will try and minimize it and say "see, just a vocal minority". I am getting to the point of "I don't care anymore"....which for BioWare means....

I won't care when their next DLC comes out you have to pay for
I won't care when the next game comes out because I will assume the ending sucks and choices don't matter in the end just like DA2 and ME3 showed me.
I won't care. That is the danger EAware faces. People not caring about their products anymore.

[sangy]

Has any other game received this kind of attention? I don't think so. It amazes me how many people are into this game like me. I hope us fans can make an impact that really makes a change.

Good post OP, thanks.

[Mylia Stenetch]

XTR3M3 wrote...

I hope the "on/off" thing works. My gut feeling is it is going to be like those gasoline boycotts. People are dissatisfied and upset but just not enough of them will do the "on/off" thing to make it matter. At the very least the PR trolls will try and minimize it and say "see, just a vocal minority". I am getting to the point of "I don't care anymore"....which for BioWare means....

I won't care when their next DLC comes out you have to pay for
I won't care when the next game comes out because I will assume the ending sucks and choices don't matter in the end just like DA2 and ME3 showed me.
I won't care. That is the danger EAware faces. People not caring about their products anymore.

IF only a mininmal amount of people log off due to this, then they are a vocal minority aking to what we have seen in recent times in the news. People will troll no matter what on either side of the coin, calling them PR trolls does nothing to help your case and pulls you down to where they want you at.

I still follow my own ways of play it before buying it. There are enough ways out there to try a product and if it is worth your money then buy it. To assume everything is bad or good is just silly.

[Mylia Stenetch]

sangy wrote...

Has any other game received this kind of attention? I don't think so. It amazes me how many people are into this game like me. I hope us fans can make an impact that really makes a change.

Good post OP, thanks.

I am not sure about games, but I know in comics there has been two huge events that did hit TV media which was the Captain America death and the death of the Human Torch.

Trying to think of games getting this much attention for anything, since you put it broadly. WoW had a lot of media blitz stuff when they did expansions and people fracked. L4D2 had a boycott which brought up attention. SCII brought tonnes of attention for actually coming out and then about the three piece series, then about the no LAN support. Diablo III is getting huge attention calling it WoWized and no LAN support.

There has been a lot of games that came out with attention, the difference is people here are more invested in this series than the other (this is assumption), so this does not impact them as much.

Also forgot about Conan MMO with their boobs, and GTA:SA hot coffee, GTA4, Bully...etc.

[-Spartan]

Mylia Stenetch wrote...

-Spartan wrote...
Blanket statements are a b**h to defend.

I’m a  businessman, an investor and small business owner as well as a consultant and I have time. Hell I like to think there are many others like me out there. After all we have doctors, lawyers and professors posting to this forum. Things that you go hmmmm…. 

Wow I never tought that Doctors, lawyers, and small buisness owners play video games. It does not make me go hmmmmm.... cause it is their opinions from playing the game. They did not go to Forbes online and look into the tech blog section about ME3.

As I said, if you open the Forbes magazine and there is a featured article about ME3 on it then that is one thing. It is a Forbes blog post, getting people to gets hits on their sites to generate revenue. That is why the guy reposted about Smaug's fictional wealth. It gets people who were wriled up to read it.

Any online news site is like this, they get a rumour and run with it, or something that people are showing some positive or negative respone to generate more hits. That is what they are doing, it is not going to EA stockholders, or large investment firms.

As far as the print version goes you are correct - for now. I think they are trying to cultivate a "tech" section and maybe in the future it will reach the print version if they still continue to print it in the future of course.   

XTR3M3 wrote...

I hope the "on/off" thing works. My gut feeling is it is going to be like those gasoline boycotts. People are dissatisfied and upset but just not enough of them will do the "on/off" thing to make it matter. At the very least the PR trolls will try and minimize it and say "see, just a vocal minority". I am getting to the point of "I don't care anymore"....which for BioWare means....

I won't care when their next DLC comes out you have to pay for
I won't care when the next game comes out because I will assume the ending sucks and choices don't matter in the end just like DA2 and ME3 showed me.
I won't care. That is the danger EAware faces. People not caring about their products anymore.

I also worry about it backfiring due to its nature and the fact the data is controlled by EA. I know the tweets are supposed to be the public proof but many people like me simply wont join such social networks. Granted they have a “workaround” which involves more hoop jumping but as much as I support the cause I simply wont participate due to work issues. I will not login to the game however for the weekend for what that is worth.

Modifié par -Spartan, 26 avril 2012 - 04:14 .