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[Mylia Stenetch]

-Spartan wrote...
As far as the print version goes you are correct - for now. I think they are trying to cultivate a "tech" section and maybe in the future it will reach the print version if they still continue to print it in the future of course.   

Well I feel (through teaching of my graphic designer g/f) that most companies will probally start killing off their paper based work since it is getting hard to get paper, and print is not cheap anymore. I see Forbes going the path of HuffPo, Fark, or other news aggregate site or news sites. Going fully digital, the best way for that is to pull in the geek audiance, and bloggers since you do not need to pay them as much as a journlist. 

It will take some time for their tech section to pull sway like their buisness section does, in time it will do that like you say. Right now they are building the base, and doing a good job at it.

[-Spartan]

Mylia Stenetch wrote...

-Spartan wrote...
As far as the print version goes you are correct - for now. I think they are trying to cultivate a "tech" section and maybe in the future it will reach the print version if they still continue to print it in the future of course.   

Well I feel (through teaching of my graphic designer g/f) that most companies will probally start killing off their paper based work since it is getting hard to get paper, and print is not cheap anymore. I see Forbes going the path of HuffPo, Fark, or other news aggregate site or news sites. Going fully digital, the best way for that is to pull in the geek audiance, and bloggers since you do not need to pay them as much as a journlist. 

It will take some time for their tech section to pull sway like their buisness section does, in time it will do that like you say. Right now they are building the base, and doing a good job at it.

I do as well. I see only high-fashion and fine art focused periodicals staying in the print arena and I’m willing to bet those will likely be preorder or sub based at that. 

Modifié par -Spartan, 26 avril 2012 - 04:17 .

[RiouHotaru]

And Forbes once again writes an article to pander to their readers for the sake of getting a bunch of views.

I don't see the point to this "on-off" thing. We're getting the Extended Cut, we know what it will and won't do.

So why are people still doing this?

Ooooooh, right, because the EC isn't what you want. You want something you know you won't get, then complain when they don't give it to you.

[Mylia Stenetch]

-Spartan wrote...
I do as well. I see only high-fashion and fine art focused periodicals staying in the print arena and I’m willing to bet those will likely be preorder or sub based at that. 

While we are thread-jacking...oh well. I see this happening also, which makes me sad. We already had in my group a sad moment when we let out DDO sub lapse, since we fully lost the Dragon Magazine then.

[-Spartan]

Mylia Stenetch wrote...

-Spartan wrote...
I do as well. I see only high-fashion and fine art focused periodicals staying in the print arena and I’m willing to bet those will likely be preorder or sub based at that. 

While we are thread-jacking...oh well. I see this happening also, which makes me sad. We already had in my group a sad moment when we let out DDO sub lapse, since we fully lost the Dragon Magazine then.

[massive thread jacking]

No doubt. I used to love to go to the comic books store when I was younger! I would run to it when I got paid and grab all the new issues of gamer mags and new comics as well. What we are witnessing is one tendril of culture is dying off while another more efficient one replaces it. It only makes me more nostalgic when I look over some of my cherished printed material. As a confirmed technocrat, I welcome the change but I still feel a great sense of loss in a visceral way if that makes sense.

On a side note, my hero of old:

Modifié par -Spartan, 26 avril 2012 - 05:37 .

[SalsaDMA]

RiouHotaru wrote...

And Forbes once again writes an article to pander to their readers for the sake of getting a bunch of views.

I don't see the point to this "on-off" thing. We're getting the Extended Cut, we know what it will and won't do.

So why are people still doing this?

Ooooooh, right, because the EC isn't what you want. You want something you know you won't get, then complain when they don't give it to you.

Given the usual target audience for Forbes, I don't think "a few" (as certain pro-people like to claim) extra views from outside their usual target audience is going to weigh much on their scale of considerations.

Is it really so hard to believe that volatile business/customer relations have interest to publications like Forbes when we are talking about a billion dollar business like EA?

[SalsaDMA]

Atakuma wrote...

StarcloudSWG wrote...

The point of the On/Off campaign is to generate the numbers for Bioware to see.

EA runs by numbers. If it isn't quantifiable, if it can't be put into a pie chart, it might as well not exist.

You play the game on one day; that generates the numbers of people who own the game and want to play it.

You DON'T play the game on the next day. That generates the numbers of people who are disappointed by the ending.

At least, that's the idea. However, it's very likely only going to generate the numbers of people who have heard about and agree with the campaign.

Another problem with this is that there is no way to separate the poeple who are "protesting" from the people who are simply not playing the game.

Not to mention people that already returned the game

While I am usually supportive of the retake movement, I think a far better pointer is sales of their next product in how much they have damaged their brand. There are too many insecurities for the on/off campaign to be usable for much.

[Persephone]

Reposting my response to the article here:


Geez….
We know nothing of the EC yet and this is just getting ridiculous.
I’d rather interact with the DEVS on the BSN & TWITTER and TELL them
what I am hoping for instead of participating in a faceless protest.
Never mind that Bioware will not lose me as as customer as long as they
make games I like. I loved ME3. So yeah. Wreckage? The game sold more
than its predecessors combined. People just need to cool down a notch.
After the fans complained about too little time with Liara, what did
they get? A huge DLC. When the fans asked for romances with Tali &
Garrus, what happened? They got their wish. Have a little faith.

[Father_Jerusalem]

StarcloudSWG wrote...

The point of the On/Off campaign is to generate the numbers for Bioware to see.

EA runs by numbers. If it isn't quantifiable, if it can't be put into a pie chart, it might as well not exist.

You play the game on one day; that generates the numbers of people who own the game and want to play it.

You DON'T play the game on the next day. That generates the numbers of people who are disappointed by the ending.

At least, that's the idea. However, it's very likely only going to generate the numbers of people who have heard about and agree with the campaign.

I generally don't play on the weekends because that's when my roommate plays. Yet, even though I have no interest in yet another stupid campaign, I will be counted as one of those contributing to the "off" part. As will hundreds of thousands of people who have never even HEARD of this campaign, yet simply don't play on that day for whatever reason.

That is why this campaign is stupid. It's not an objective number by ANY measure.

Not to mention, brilliant idea doing this on a Multiplayer event weekend. That will show em. *rolls his eyes*

[Persephone]

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

StarcloudSWG wrote...

The point of the On/Off campaign is to generate the numbers for Bioware to see.

EA runs by numbers. If it isn't quantifiable, if it can't be put into a pie chart, it might as well not exist.

You play the game on one day; that generates the numbers of people who own the game and want to play it.

You DON'T play the game on the next day. That generates the numbers of people who are disappointed by the ending.

At least, that's the idea. However, it's very likely only going to generate the numbers of people who have heard about and agree with the campaign.

I generally don't play on the weekends because that's when my roommate plays. Yet, even though I have no interest in yet another stupid campaign, I will be counted as one of those contributing to the "off" part. As will hundreds of thousands of people who have never even HEARD of this campaign, yet simply don't play on that day for whatever reason.

That is why this campaign is stupid. It's not an objective number by ANY measure.

Not to mention, brilliant idea doing this on a Multiplayer event weekend. That will show em. *rolls his eyes*

You have to tweet Bioware on/off as you do it to show you're part of the "movement". Plain old harassment, really.

Modifié par Persephone, 26 avril 2012 - 05:33 .

[Dude_in_the_Room]

abaris wrote...

Dude_in_the_Room wrote...


You're missing the point.  Bioware or EA shouldn't have to read Forbes to get the picture.

To add to the fact that what Forbes is saying isn't new....it's the same regurgitation that any other source is saying.  And no, just b/c it's Forbes does not make it more important.  I know it looks like it and theres some validaty to it, but it's like Gamespot reporting on a NBA game.

The point is, magazines like Forbes have more weight than the combined posts of everyone being for or against the ending situation.

Rightly or wrongly, it's considered a serious magazine and it certainly carries more weight than all the gamers mags when it comes to economical situation.

So, yes, they're not saying anything new, but they're saying it in a mainstream magazine that usually isn't concerned with gaming issues. That says quite a lot about the public reception of the whole matter cause otherwise their editor wouldn't have bought that article.

Ok, lets say that Forbes follows this story all the way through.  During that time the EC is bad, fans are still complaining, the Bioware studio gets rolled with toilet paper....the works.  Forbes reports on all this.  Going as far as to say that Bioware seems to be out of touch with gamers (or something negative).  Then DA3 comes out and sells millions...even more than DA2 or DA:O. 

Every gaming site out there with the exception of a few raves about DA3. 

Which do you think investors or whoever you're wanting to read these articles, are going to be more excited about?

Some guy at Forbes writing a few articles thats basically doing nothing but reporting on what the fans have been thinking....which you said doesn't carrry any weight anyway.

Or, that Bioware, yet again despite hell and high water, sold another big blockbuster.

2 things: 

1) The writer at Forbes is basically just reporting on whats going on.  I didn't read him giving any points either way as to whether this whole thing is good or bad....maybe I missed it but it wasn't lengthy.

2) I'm basing this off of the fact that eventhough ppl keep complaining, Bioware games keep selling like cupcakes.

[abaris]

Dude_in_the_Room wrote...

2) I'm basing this off of the fact that eventhough ppl keep complaining, Bioware games keep selling like cupcakes.

We have no solid evidence for or against that.

And it doesn't matter in the long run. Initial sales were down to preorder and hype. Ultimately DLC sales will decide how successful any given game is in the long run. With DAII they cancelled an already planned DLC and that says something about expectations.

It's in the press, not just the gaming media. And that says everything about public reception. I daresay it tells a lot about a situation unheard of so far.

Well, as for the sales argument: Maybe they sell, maybe all their expectations are met and they really pulled the trick of drawing in enough of a new audience to make up for core audience lost. More power to them, but I would be highly surprised if this turns out to be a long term success with upcoming franchises.

[RiouHotaru]

SalsaDMA wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...

And Forbes once again writes an article to pander to their readers for the sake of getting a bunch of views.

I don't see the point to this "on-off" thing. We're getting the Extended Cut, we know what it will and won't do.

So why are people still doing this?

Ooooooh, right, because the EC isn't what you want. You want something you know you won't get, then complain when they don't give it to you.

Given the usual target audience for Forbes, I don't think "a few" (as certain pro-people like to claim) extra views from outside their usual target audience is going to weigh much on their scale of considerations.

Is it really so hard to believe that volatile business/customer relations have interest to publications like Forbes when we are talking about a billion dollar business like EA?

Forbes love page views.  So they take a standpoint that will net them the largest number of views.  I'm pretty sure they don't actually care about the game, and I'd be surprised if Kain has actually even touched the game in the first place.

[abaris]

RiouHotaru wrote...

Forbes love page views.  So they take a standpoint that will net them the largest number of views.  I'm pretty sure they don't actually care about the game, and I'd be surprised if Kain has actually even touched the game in the first place.

So?

It says something about being newsworthy.

They obviously wouldn't get many page views when reporting the mating habits of bugs. And it doesn't matter if they care about the game or not. They expect it to net some user recognition.

[Ravenmyste]

AJRimmsey wrote...
"mummy,its bedtime..tell me a story"

okay..once upon a time there was a.....

"STFU,
TELL ME A STORY I CAN UNDERSTAND,
I HAVE THE RIGHT TO COMPLAIN ABOUT YOUR STORY,
NOW TELL ME WHAT TIME YOU ARE REFERING TOO,
WHO WAS THIS PRINCESS ?,
WHERE DOES SHE LIVE,
WHATS HER ROLE IN THE STORY"

*ring* *ring*

hello.is that the 5 year boarding school ?,come collect this lil turd before i end up in prison"

my inner child being the adult i am..

said mommy not that way tell me like how daddy tells it.

mommy: how does daddy tells it:{whispering to her self what  has he done now}

kid: he starts off once apon a time there was this starship that was considered the best brothel in the universe and its captain would take the women up to the captains room and show them a tank fish all night and crew member shad to wear earplugs due how, many girls there was on this ship and at times was fun for everyone and there captain well all except the  pilot who hada crush on  robot .

mommy: he tells it like that?!

kid: no he uses more  pictures to show he what he means....

: excuse me while i call the police ...

Modifié par Ravenmyste, 26 avril 2012 - 06:31 .

[Dude_in_the_Room]

abaris wrote...

Dude_in_the_Room wrote...

2) I'm basing this off of the fact that eventhough ppl keep complaining, Bioware games keep selling like cupcakes.

We have no solid evidence for or against that.

And it doesn't matter in the long run. Initial sales were down to preorder and hype. Ultimately DLC sales will decide how successful any given game is in the long run. With DAII they cancelled an already planned DLC and that says something about expectations.

It's in the press, not just the gaming media. And that says everything about public reception. I daresay it tells a lot about a situation unheard of so far.

Well, as for the sales argument: Maybe they sell, maybe all their expectations are met and they really pulled the trick of drawing in enough of a new audience to make up for core audience lost. More power to them, but I would be highly surprised if this turns out to be a long term success with upcoming franchises.

I don't discredit the fact that this being in other news than just Gamespot or IGN is not grand.  I just don't think a few articles in Forbes should recieve as much praise as some ppl are giving it.

It would be much more definative to do the damage yourself or as a group with your wallets....which brings us to the sales.

There might not be factual sales anywhere, but you can get an idea.  I know ppl say it's a joke, but vgchartz or whatever has to have some sort of basis for it's stats and it can't be that far off.  I'm sure those numbers are pretty close to other sources.

Either way, I don't think sales have gone down.

One thing I disagree on is the DLC being how you tell if a game was successful.  I bought DLC for the first time the other year for FNV.  Since DLC has come around I'm sure I've bought games that were as big or bigger than FNV.

[abaris]

Dude_in_the_Room wrote...

One thing I disagree on is the DLC being how you tell if a game was successful.  I bought DLC for the first time the other year for FNV.  Since DLC has come around I'm sure I've bought games that were as big or bigger than FNV.

I actually meant, the DLC will tell you how the game is received and what the company expects. If they cancel DLC production or don't even make them apart from a few multiplayer pack quickies, it tells something about the actual economical reception.

[Dude_in_the_Room]

abaris wrote...

Dude_in_the_Room wrote...

One thing I disagree on is the DLC being how you tell if a game was successful.  I bought DLC for the first time the other year for FNV.  Since DLC has come around I'm sure I've bought games that were as big or bigger than FNV.

I actually meant, the DLC will tell you how the game is received and what the company expects. If they cancel DLC production or don't even make them apart from a few multiplayer pack quickies, it tells something about the actual economical reception.

I agree with the extremes of no DLC or canceling a DLC and whatnot, yes.  Or even making 1 but no other b/c that 1 bombed.

[AJRimmsey]

abaris wrote...

Dude_in_the_Room wrote...

One thing I disagree on is the DLC being how you tell if a game was successful.  I bought DLC for the first time the other year for FNV.  Since DLC has come around I'm sure I've bought games that were as big or bigger than FNV.

I actually meant, the DLC will tell you how the game is received and what the company expects. If they cancel DLC production or don't even make them apart from a few multiplayer pack quickies, it tells something about the actual economical reception.

it might tell you something about the "economical reception",but for me it wont say a thing about it.

it would be like saying if the bioware devs farted too much while making the game then it wont sell well,its just a daft theory using an even dafter analogy to try and prove a jaded and hate filled viewpoint.

personaly i would rather they cancelled all dlc and started on another game,as dlc usually doesnt add much to a game for me,unless its as big as the fallout addons and released fast enough that i am still playing the game.

i was never one to play through a game so soon just to get an extra gun or suit.

[Oldbones2]

AJRimmsey wrote...

"mummy,its bedtime..tell me a story"

okay..once upon a time there was a.....

"STFU,
TELL ME A STORY I CAN UNDERSTAND,
I HAVE THE RIGHT TO COMPLAIN ABOUT YOUR STORY,
NOW TELL ME WHAT TIME YOU ARE REFERING TOO,
WHO WAS THIS PRINCESS ?,
WHERE DOES SHE LIVE,
WHATS HER ROLE IN THE STORY"

*ring* *ring*

hello.is that the 5 year boarding school ?,come collect this lil turd before i end up in prison"

If I paid her 60 dollars for that bedtimes story and she instead just told me to read a book and make some stuff up for myself that's exactly the level of reaction I'd have.


Oh, wait, I paid 85 dollars, in advance.

Modifié par Oldbones2, 26 avril 2012 - 07:50 .

[abaris]

AJRimmsey wrote...

i was never one to play through a game so soon just to get an extra gun or suit.

Pardon my french - but I didn't talk about cheap ripoffs but DLCs deserving that name. If someone forks out for guns or suits I'd question their judgement anyway.

[tobiasks]

Thanks for sharing, interesting read.