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[GodlessPaladin]

haisho wrote...

Nope! You're screwed.

Well, that's just terrible.  That's a huge advantage for PC players over X360 players  I don't care where they put the button, that's just huge.  Honestly, they ought to add it.  Reload cancelling ought to be a feature, not a bug.  There's a very good reason a lot of shooters add it (or some spin on it, like Gears of War's active reloading) on purpose.

Modifié par GodlessPaladin, 27 avril 2012 - 08:13 .

[Fortack]

haisho wrote...

Not like the PC's default scheme is any better though. Hitting 7 from WASD is annoying. Hooray for mouse thumb buttons!

Mouse buttons are nice, but I mapped medigel to the "E" button (which isn't used (in MP) anyway). Works great for me. The only "problem" I had are instant revives when the enemy kills you right before you're attempting to cancel reload. Wasted a couple packs like that

[tehBobby]

Awesome job. :>

[kyles3]

GodlessPaladin wrote...

Is there some way to reload cancel for free on X360 like there is on the PC?

I frequently reload-cancel with an ability that's on cooldown on PS3. Pressing the button your grenades are mapped to when you don't have any will also work.

[Sp3c7eR]

GodlessPaladin wrote...
Just tested... medigel cancelling doesn't seem to work on Xbox 360. Looks like PC players have it a lot easier, and not just because of the control scheme... *sigh.*

It's been confirmed by a dev that our enemies are a lot tougher in AI terms so it balances out  I see a lot of enemies standing still/not shooting/not flanking on Xbox when I watch videos. That never happens on gold/pc. I personally find it much more difficult to play with a controller though, so I'd probably suck if I switched to console. Btw does medigel reloading not work at all on console? Because I'm sure I saw somebody mention it in a thread about 360 somewhere... I'll have to dig it up. 

@Tangster: Thanks mate, appreciate the love coming my way

@Fortack: Damage + accuracy is fine, but in this run I fight a lot of armor. Ravagers, brutes, banshees... The flat 50 damage DR applies to each pellet of the claymore because each counts as a projectile. So you're losing out on about 400 damage per shot if you don't use shredder. Yeah, incendiary compensates somewhat, but shredder allows you to shoot through cover AND shoot through multiple enemies. I think shredder + accuracy is ideal for my setup.

[palker]

Sp3c7eR wrote...
It's been confirmed by a dev that our enemies are a lot tougher in AI terms so it balances out  I see a lot of enemies standing still/not shooting/not flanking on Xbox when I watch videos. That never happens on gold/pc. I personally find it much more difficult to play with a controller though, so I'd probably suck if I switched to console. Btw does medigel reloading not work at all on console? Because I'm sure I saw somebody mention it in a thread about 360 somewhere... I'll have to dig it up. 

@Tangster: Thanks mate, appreciate the love coming my way

@Fortack: Damage + accuracy is fine, but in this run I fight a lot of armor. Ravagers, brutes, banshees... The flat 50 damage DR applies to each pellet of the claymore because each counts as a projectile. So you're losing out on about 400 damage per shot if you don't use shredder. Yeah, incendiary compensates somewhat, but shredder allows you to shoot through cover AND shoot through multiple enemies. I think shredder + accuracy is ideal for my setup.

Actually if you take a look at this thread 
http://social.biowar.../index/11500067  you will find out that you would do more damge with extended barrel

[peddroelm]

Extended barrel, accuracy + AP ammo >>> more damage to armor and more damage to hits after cover penetration, and more damage to everything else ....

Does incendiary add enough crowd control to be worth it ? Must watch the video ...

[Badpanzer]

Wow..I have trouble on Condor with a full team.
Well played !

[XeNaKun]

Cool

[Bapawaka]

Good job!

[GodlessPaladin]

Sp3c7eR wrote...

Btw does medigel reloading not work at all on console?

  No.  Unless there's some super secret method I don't know.  You have to reload cancel with powers, and obviously that's a massive pain for certain classes (like the Turian Sentinel), and at the very least a small pain for others.

Modifié par GodlessPaladin, 28 avril 2012 - 07:53 .

[DivineAura]

I like incendiary ammo as it gives you time before the enemy shields recharges.

[A Wild Snorlax]

Only way to reload cancel on xbox is to do it by using powers or by tapping A when you're out in the open, you can do it by tapping A and going into cover too but that kind of defeats the purpose of it.

Wish you could medi gel cancel on the 360 too, Ive tried but it doesn't work.

Nice video OP, impressive.

[Shampoohorn]

Nice job!

I was amazed at how little effect tech armor had on those husks when you detonated it. I suppose that in part because you chose the protection evolutions -- but you'd think it would have more of an effect on the lowest tier enemy in the game.

[PaperAlien]

It does, actually. Kills swarmers in one hit.

[kumquats]

Uh, that Claymore. Thanks for not making a music video out of this for all of us who are haunted by the GEMA. *shakes fist*

[Darkslayer557]

how do you skip the reload animation without using a power?

[Darkslayer557]

peddroelmz wrote...

Sp3c7eR wrote...

Vid is pretty intense - there were a lot of "oh sh*t" moments. It's interesting how Warp + Claymore w/ Incendiary burns through armor though - Banshees die in 4 shots, Brutes & Ravagers in 2. This build is probably as quick at taking down a Banshee as an entire biotic combo team.

4 shots  to kill full health banshee ? () 

incendiary shouldn't be included in a build, since it has limited use.

[Lexa_D]

Darkslayer557 wrote...

how do you skip the reload animation without using a power?

medigel

[peddroelm]

Darkslayer557 wrote...

peddroelmz wrote...

Sp3c7eR wrote...

Vid is pretty intense - there were a lot of "oh sh*t" moments. It's interesting how Warp + Claymore w/ Incendiary burns through armor though - Banshees die in 4 shots, Brutes & Ravagers in 2. This build is probably as quick at taking down a Banshee as an entire biotic combo team.

4 shots  to kill full health banshee ? () 

incendiary shouldn't be included in a build, since it has limited use.

Actually some tests involving incendiary ammo might be in order ...Incediary ammo DOT component might be a fixed value... As shotguns can hit a target with 8 pellets per shot -> this DOT component might be  apllied 8 times ... Atm this is only speculation from my part ... I will try and test this ...I will also try and ask mister Eric Fagnan but I doubt he'll answer ...

[Shepard Wins]

Damn... I can't even solo bronze...

[SwoopIM]

We're not worthy!

[PaperAlien]

THIS ONE IS UNWORTHY!

[peddroelm]

peddroelmz wrote...

Actually some tests involving incendiary ammo might be in order ...Incediary ammo DOT component might be a fixed value... As shotguns can hit a target with 8 pellets per shot -> this DOT component might be  apllied 8 times ... Atm this is only speculation from my part ... I will try and test this ...I will also try and ask mister Eric Fagnan but I doubt he'll answer ...

ok did some SP tests ... incendiary ammo damage is percentage of base weapon damage (tested with predator) - but when applied multiple times (scimitar) it seems to cause more damage than it should ...

SP test incendiary ammo mechanics

Soldier

Scimitar I 35.4 (17.5% WD add-on)
Predator I 58.8 (17.5% WD add-on)

Incendiary ammo I 10% vs health//armor 25% armor weakening
Passives 15% WD , 10% PD

WD - weapon damage
PD - power damage (affects ammo power damage)
===========

Predator I vs health - body shot

1000 - 922.0899 = 77.9101
58.8 * (1 + 0.175 + 0.15) = 77.91
====================

Scimitar I vs health - body shot

1000 - 624.7597 = 375.2403
35.4 * (1 + 0.175 + 0.15) * 8 = 375.24
=============

Predator I vs health - body + Incendiary ammo I

1000 - 922.0899 = 77.9101 (after impact)
1000 - 915.6219 = 84.3781 (after DOT)
(58.8 * (1 + 0.175 + 0.15)) + (58.8 * 0.1 * 1.1) = 84.378

VS health & armor All of the incendiary ammo damage is applied AFTER weapon damage impact as DOT

================================

Scimitar I vs health - body shot + Incendiary Ammo I


1000 - 624.7597 = 375.2403 (after impact OK)
1000 - 540.0386 = 459.9614 (after DOT !!!! more damage WHY ?!)
((35.4 * (1 + 0.175 + 0.15)) + (35.4 * 0.1 * 1.1)) * 8 = 406.392 !!!

Shotguns using incendiary ammo might be bugged (do more DOT damage than they should ...)

I'll need to test this again with Claymore vs an armored target to see if the phenomenon repeats and the mystery damage scales ..

Modifié par peddroelmz, 28 avril 2012 - 01:07 .

[Guilty2]

I salute you, sir, not because you are the biggest most badass ME player I've ever seen, but because there is imagination and a sence of romance in your victories All hale Turian Shields, a hero of battle for Palaven!

Also I'm pretty sure that his full name was TechnoTurian Shields, and he was killed by Reapers because his godlike awesome dance moves inspired fear and jealosy in their dark reapery souls )

Also what was the name of your Salarian Infiltrator, who made the first ever gold solo run in the history of ME?