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[balance5050]

Basically, Bioware made an agreement when the game came out that NO ONE would reveal what was on the DLC. They're going to say A LOT of things before we see the truth.

[dreman9999]

Linksys17 wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

"about the endings, yes we are listening"

no, you are hearings us but you are not listening

Correction: they are listening, however they do not care 

BioEA logic: Money>Fanbase 

As shephard once said "deal with it"

If that weas true. EC would be not be free.

[Newnation]

liggy002 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

 
The evidence is that he wakes up amongst concrete rubble after just being in the middle of this:

  
 
 

Also, the white light "dream transition effect is very telling that the ending could be a combination of a dream and being somehow mentally linked to some reaper somehow.


Dreams
http://desmond.image...jpg&res=landing

  
Shepard in Geth consensus



The ending

  

Also, look at Shepards eyes when he chooses either control or synthesize

 

In other words, IT did not take another blow to the ribs.  Score one for the IT team. 

Which is still circumstantial and speculative evidence. There is nothing here that actually says "Shep was indoctrinated." I'm also not buying the geth consensus and nightmares as the way they were presented in the game as fact he's being indoctrinated. As for him waking up at the end, I guess we'll have to wait for the ec when it comes out.

[dreman9999]

Newnation wrote...

liggy002 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

 
The evidence is that he wakes up amongst concrete rubble after just being in the middle of this:

  
 
 

Also, the white light "dream transition effect is very telling that the ending could be a combination of a dream and being somehow mentally linked to some reaper somehow.


Dreams
http://desmond.image...jpg&res=landing

  
Shepard in Geth consensus



The ending

  

Also, look at Shepards eyes when he chooses either control or synthesize

 

In other words, IT did not take another blow to the ribs.  Score one for the IT team. 

Which is still circumstantial and speculative evidence. There is nothing here that actually says "Shep was indoctrinated." I'm also not buying the geth consensus and nightmares as the way they were presented in the game as fact he's being indoctrinated. As for him waking up at the end, I guess we'll have to wait for the ec when it comes out.

...Ummmm...
http://social.biowar...75/blog/212630/

[Newnation]

Um.....you do realize that everything you're saying applies to over half the people you come into contact with in the game right? So everyone was indoctrinated?

[dreman9999]

Newnation wrote...

Um.....you do realize that everything you're saying applies to over half the people you come into contact with in the game right? So everyone was indoctrinated?

Can you link me to anyone in the series who was not indoctrinated who complined of whispers and strange dreams?
Also, SHepard is the only one on his/her ship to be guarenteed to have the most contact with reaper tech and reapers....Really, If you going to make statements like that, Provide proof.

[DTKT]

I don't even understand half of your bloody images.

Straws! They are all straws! Stop grasping at them.

Modifié par DTKT, 26 avril 2012 - 05:11 .

[MegumiAzusa]

Newnation wrote...

Um.....you do realize that everything you're saying applies to over half the people you come into contact with in the game right? So everyone was indoctrinated?

That's why the Protheans lost too

[DonYourAviators]

This is why I have no faith in the EC. The people in charge have no idea what their own story is about.

[dreman9999]

DTKT wrote...

I don't even understand half of your bloody images.

Straws! They are all straws! Stop grasping at them.

You don't understand that Shep has the same eyes as TIM and Saren when he choosed control and synthesis?

[MegumiAzusa]

dreman9999 wrote...

Newnation wrote...

Um.....you do realize that everything you're saying applies to over half the people you come into contact with in the game right? So everyone was indoctrinated?

Can you link me to anyone in the series who was not indoctrinated who complined of whispers and strange dreams?
Also, SHepard is the only one on his/her ship to be guarenteed to have the most contact with reaper tech and reapers....Really, If you going to make statements like that, Provide proof.

Not that hard to have most contact with Reaper tech if your AI and later it's body are both based on Reaper tech ^^
Also who came up with the fabulous idea to integrate the Reaper Heart or Reaper Brain into the crucible?

[balance5050]

Newnation wrote...

Um.....you do realize that everything you're saying applies to over half the people you come into contact with in the game right? So everyone was indoctrinated?

Or in the process of being indoctrinated rather, James hears buzzing, He says "I get the feeling we're being watched" on missions fighting reapers. If we don't stop the Reaper (for real) everyone will indded become inoctrinated. Thats just what the game says bro.

[dreman9999]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Newnation wrote...

Um.....you do realize that everything you're saying applies to over half the people you come into contact with in the game right? So everyone was indoctrinated?

Can you link me to anyone in the series who was not indoctrinated who complined of whispers and strange dreams?
Also, SHepard is the only one on his/her ship to be guarenteed to have the most contact with reaper tech and reapers....Really, If you going to make statements like that, Provide proof.

Not that hard to have most contact with Reaper tech if your AI and later it's body are both based on Reaper tech ^^
Also who came up with the fabulous idea to integrate the Reaper Heart or Reaper Brain into the crucible?

EDI is the vi from the lunar mission, not a reaper. Also,no on you ship has made or shown any sights of indoctrination. Also, by most time near reaper teck, I mean from the first mission in ME1 to Arrivel.

[Newnation]

dreman9999 wrote...

Newnation wrote...

Um.....you do realize that everything you're saying applies to over half the people you come into contact with in the game right? So everyone was indoctrinated?

Can you link me to anyone in the series who was not indoctrinated who complined of whispers and strange dreams?
Also, SHepard is the only one on his/her ship to be guarenteed to have the most contact with reaper tech and reapers....Really, If you going to make statements like that, Provide proof.

The only whispers I recall Shepard hearing are in his/her nightmares. There is no proof that Shepard's nightmares have anything to do with reapers.

Wrong, with the exception of Project Rho if you played it, your squad has been around as much reaper tech for the same amount of time as Shep has. Secondly, with all the reapers and reaper tech throughout the whole war you're going to say no one else fighting has been affected the same way Shep has....really?

[balance5050]

dreman9999 wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Newnation wrote...

Um.....you do realize that everything you're saying applies to over half the people you come into contact with in the game right? So everyone was indoctrinated?

Can you link me to anyone in the series who was not indoctrinated who complined of whispers and strange dreams?
Also, SHepard is the only one on his/her ship to be guarenteed to have the most contact with reaper tech and reapers....Really, If you going to make statements like that, Provide proof.

Not that hard to have most contact with Reaper tech if your AI and later it's body are both based on Reaper tech ^^
Also who came up with the fabulous idea to integrate the Reaper Heart or Reaper Brain into the crucible?

EDI is the vi from the lunar mission, not a reaper. Also,no on you ship has made or shown any sights of indoctrination. Also, by most time near reaper teck, I mean from the first mission in ME1 to Arrivel.

EDI was based of some tech found from Sovereign as well so she is based on reaper tech more or less.

[MegumiAzusa]

balance5050 wrote...

Newnation wrote...

Um.....you do realize that everything you're saying applies to over half the people you come into contact with in the game right? So everyone was indoctrinated?

Or in the process of being indoctrinated rather, James hears buzzing, He says "I get the feeling we're being watched" on missions fighting reapers. If we don't stop the Reaper (for real) everyone will indded become inoctrinated. Thats just what the game says bro.

I'd always took Liara with me but I guess the others would say something similar:
"I don't like the feel of that thing. It's as if it knows we're here."

Modifié par MegumiAzusa, 26 avril 2012 - 05:20 .

[balance5050]

Newnation wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Newnation wrote...

Um.....you do realize that everything you're saying applies to over half the people you come into contact with in the game right? So everyone was indoctrinated?

Can you link me to anyone in the series who was not indoctrinated who complined of whispers and strange dreams?
Also, SHepard is the only one on his/her ship to be guarenteed to have the most contact with reaper tech and reapers....Really, If you going to make statements like that, Provide proof.

The only whispers I recall Shepard hearing are in his/her nightmares. There is no proof that Shepard's nightmares have anything to do with reapers.

Wrong, with the exception of Project Rho if you played it, your squad has been around as much reaper tech for the same amount of time as Shep has. Secondly, with all the reapers and reaper tech throughout the whole war you're going to say no one else fighting has been affected the same way Shep has....really?

Shepard hears whisper during the final talk with TIM (or was that a dream to;))

You're only choosing two squadmates for every mission you go on, Shepard is the only constant so he has had more contact by far.

[Newnation]

balance5050 wrote...

Newnation wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Newnation wrote...

Um.....you do realize that everything you're saying applies to over half the people you come into contact with in the game right? So everyone was indoctrinated?

Can you link me to anyone in the series who was not indoctrinated who complined of whispers and strange dreams?
Also, SHepard is the only one on his/her ship to be guarenteed to have the most contact with reaper tech and reapers....Really, If you going to make statements like that, Provide proof.

The only whispers I recall Shepard hearing are in his/her nightmares. There is no proof that Shepard's nightmares have anything to do with reapers.

Wrong, with the exception of Project Rho if you played it, your squad has been around as much reaper tech for the same amount of time as Shep has. Secondly, with all the reapers and reaper tech throughout the whole war you're going to say no one else fighting has been affected the same way Shep has....really?

Shepard hears whisper during the final talk with TIM (or was that a dream to;))

You're only choosing two squadmates for every mission you go on, Shepard is the only constant so he has had more contact by far.

That would be the only time I would admit there was an attempt indoctrination attempt is being made because it actually makes sense.

Considering you can take the same two squad members anywhere you go and that some of them have been fighing reapers by the time Shep reaches them in ME 3 it still stands.

[dreman9999]

Newnation wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Newnation wrote...

Um.....you do realize that everything you're saying applies to over half the people you come into contact with in the game right? So everyone was indoctrinated?

Can you link me to anyone in the series who was not indoctrinated who complined of whispers and strange dreams?
Also, SHepard is the only one on his/her ship to be guarenteed to have the most contact with reaper tech and reapers....Really, If you going to make statements like that, Provide proof.

The only whispers I recall Shepard hearing are in his/her nightmares. There is no proof that Shepard's nightmares have anything to do with reapers.

Wrong, with the exception of Project Rho if you played it, your squad has been around as much reaper tech for the same amount of time as Shep has. Secondly, with all the reapers and reaper tech throughout the whole war you're going to say no one else fighting has been affected the same way Shep has....really?

Fact 6. The reapers can manipulate dreams...http://www.youtube.com/watch?
feature=player_detailpage&v=ldIJFRvDUp4#t=690s

The reseachers on project rho in Arrival also taked about strange dreams  when they were being indoctrinated.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?list=PL48B6A3172825B65F&feature=player_detailpage&v=CAstYTITiTw#t=249s  

Plus...

Fact 7. Reapers can indoctrinatewith quantum intanglement.http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Codex/Arrival:_The_Reapers'_Secrets 

The third discovery is that the object broadcasts signals and information on many different spectra. One such pulse, suspected to be similar to a quantum entanglement communicator, reaches into. Another broadcast is infrasound, consistent with frequencies that trigger feelings of awe and fear in , a known factor in Reaper indoctrination. Kenson's laboratory is filled with equipment dedicated to monitoring any signal coming from the artifact in the hopes that some clue will prove the Reapers' undoing before it's too late. " 

Plus...
Fact 8. You hear whispers in sheps dreams....http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZIKewKW9bb0&feature=related 

Plus...
Fact 3.Shepard is near allot of reaper tech through out ME1 and ME2.

Fact 4. Shepard is  hit by an indoctrination field in the arrival dlc, in which he see's visions
and hears voices....http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F5vKMfh6gBk 

Equal
Sign's of indoctrination.

...That basicly the point the fact are showing.

Reaper are shown to effect dreams and the people being indoctrinated hear whispers. Shepard neverhad strang dreams in the series before, but suddenly has them months after contact with a reaper artifact in Arrival that has been shown to beable to indoctrinate people. It's deductive reasoning.

[Newnation]

Dude, you're still not providing actual proof that Shepard was indoctrinated. All of the things you're pointing out is still circumstantial evidence and speculation.

[MegumiAzusa]

Newnation wrote...

Dude, you're still not providing actual proof that Shepard was indoctrinated. All of the things you're pointing out is still circumstantial evidence and speculation.

Even if Shep doesn't show direct signs of indoctrination his/her squad clearly does.
That is the point of subtle indoctrination.

Also it is stated adrenaline improves indoctrination, the reason TIM didn't want anasthetics when implanted with Reaper stuff.
Shep got hurt pretty bad there in London.

Modifié par MegumiAzusa, 26 avril 2012 - 05:35 .

[dreman9999]

Newnation wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Newnation wrote...

Um.....you do realize that everything you're saying applies to over half the people you come into contact with in the game right? So everyone was indoctrinated?

Can you link me to anyone in the series who was not indoctrinated who complined of whispers and strange dreams?
Also, SHepard is the only one on his/her ship to be guarenteed to have the most contact with reaper tech and reapers....Really, If you going to make statements like that, Provide proof.

Wrong, with the exception of Project Rho if you played it, your squad has been around as much reaper tech for the same amount of time as Shep has. Secondly, with all the reapers and reaper tech throughout the whole war you're going to say no one else fighting has been affected the same way Shep has....really?

Where was Garrus, tali , Liara and Wrex on the eden prime mission in ME1? Whereis Kadien and Ashley, wrex and Liara in ME2? Which squad mate is guarantee to be on the citadel final mission in ME1, on the derlict reaper in ME2, to face benezia in ME1, To face Saren in ME2, to be with you on the horizon, or the collector ship?
Get my point. Their is no squade mate that has as much with contact with the reapers as Shep because no one is guarrenteed to be on every mission except Shepard.

[balance5050]

Newnation wrote...

Dude, you're still not providing actual proof that Shepard was indoctrinated. All of the things you're pointing out is still circumstantial evidence and speculation.

Dude, it's up to the player to connect the dots, we have a million time over. If you can't then I just feel bad that you're stuck with :wizard:

[clarkusdarkus]

i played ME3 with the intention of killing the reapers as thats what i strived for in ME1/2.... destroy for me personally was the only option. the control option was the reason i killed the IM so was never gonna choose that and synthesis just didnt have any relevance whatsoever to me.

[dreman9999]

Newnation wrote...

Dude, you're still not providing actual proof that Shepard was indoctrinated. All of the things you're pointing out is still circumstantial evidence and speculation.

Indoctrination is subtle, no one will know till it's too late. If there is proof to question if Shep is indoctrinated then IT  has a solid  point, which is my point. I don't have to show undiniable proof because if indoctrination works the way it sould and stated to be there would be no undiniable proof.  The reapers would not leave undeniable proof pointing to it, just  thing  to suppect it. The ironic thing about this is that this is the same case with trying to prove the reapers were real . No proof, just things to suppect.

Modifié par dreman9999, 26 avril 2012 - 05:44 .