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[OH-UP-THIS!]

lx_theo wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

"about the endings, yes we are listening"

no, you are hearings us but you are not listening

They are listening, but not obeying like lapdogs

Sure as hell are, E/As' lapdogs!!!

[Malanek]

ashwind wrote...

Malanek999 wrote...
What makes you think shepard would blow his brains out if he was indoctrinated? And how would that be "better" than resisting the indoctrination?

If Saren & TIM can fight off indoctrination long enough to blow their own brains out, why wont Shepard do that? Didnt he talk them into doing so? And that is THE only thing Shepard can do IF the Reapers start to indoctrinate him with all the Reaper in-plans Cerberus used to rebuld him. Or is Shepard a weak willed hypocrite?

None has "completely resisted" the indoctrination process thus far, none that we know of. It is only a matter of time before the subject yields. Nothing in the series or the codex suggested even in the most remote way that indoctrination can be "resisted".

 

Shepard is the hero. He/she can do things others can't. The point you make that I bolded is contradicted by what you wrote above. If Saren and TIM can temporarily resist there is nothing to suggest that Shepard can't to a much greater extent.

ashwind wrote...
For the sake of argument, I claim that on the contrary, people who choose the Destroy ending are those who are truly indoctrinated, hence left alive to become an agent of the Reapers. Benezia thought she could resist indoctrination, TIM though he could. All of them BELIEVED that they are NOT indoctrinated and have resisted bu in fact they are nothing but PAWNS just like those who believe that Destroying is resisting.

Throughout ME we have seen characters who become indoctrinated think they can control (TIM) or synthesise (Saren, Henson). Destroy is firmly set against that. I don't really want to get into an argument about this because it is just speculation but it is what the IT theory is really based on.

[Diegofsv]

IT is dead....I mean, right when they made that movie explaining ind theory, it was awesome, but since Bioware wasn't expecting the hatred toward the ending, it got clear that IT is just a theory. I moved on...Mass Effect is not what I expected in the end... I keep coming back once a week (I used to enter every minute here) to see any news regarding the extended cut DLC but every passing day without news make even more clearer that they really intended that ending and probably nothing will redeem it.

[FatalX7.0]

Don't bother Taboo, me and Kev had this same argument like a week ago. I said the same things you said, but he still believes that it means something.

It's just a combination of Mark Meer, Jennifer Hale and the actor who did the child.

Modifié par FatalX7.0, 26 avril 2012 - 02:11 .

[Big_Choppa]

Cainora wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

The fact that Bioware thinks Destroy is the worse and Merge is the best just makes me want to puke.

You and me both.

Us three.

How do you justify changing the entire DNA structure of every living creature in the entire galaxy? So this would be eugentics on a galactic scale? How in the hell would this be moral?! This sounds like the horrible Aryan race thing going on. How do you justify this, Bioware?

[devSin]

Wow, way to get the timestamp wrong.

Modifié par devSin, 26 avril 2012 - 02:35 .

[grey_wind]

liggy002 wrote...

Xellith wrote...

twitter.com/#!/GambleMike/status/195308506214187008

Mike Gamble said...

Personally, I don't think the best ending is destroy, actually.

Looking more and more likely that the ending we got was actually real and Bioware just completely forgot how to make a decent RPG right at the end.

This clarification DLC seems like its going to clear up that it wasnt indoctrination and that the ending just sucks.  Seems its likely part of their "artistic vision" to have a sucky ending.

You should also know that I asked Patrick Weekes where Harbinger was in ME3 and he told me that he couldn't answer me.  So, no, this doesn't necessarily mean anything.  He also said that it was a perfectly reasonable question.

Harbinger was too busy planning escape routes because he knew everybody would want him dead for deliberately letting Shepard get to the ending. 

[OH-UP-THIS!]

zambot wrote...

I like IT. I think it's really cool how fans poured through tons of content and put together pieces to make a believable interpretation of the ending.

The problem with IT is that is not an ending, but merely a chapter before the ending.

This isn't really a problem is it? The way I SAW it(no longer SEE it), meant there was still some gamin' to do.

[Ultra Prism]

Since Control ending is only one that doesn't have Citadel blowing up and Mass Relays only being overloaded ... is possibly the canon ending lol

[KevShep]

Taboo-XX wrote...

KevShep wrote...

DTKT wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

DTKT wrote...

KevShep wrote...

Indoctrination IS correct....

There is just no getting past the FACT that it is Shepard's voice speaking through the catalyst's voice reapeating everything the catalyst is saying at the end. This PROVES that the I.T. is true. You have to hear it with headphones or you will not hear it(because it is hard to hear...at first). The right ear piece is maleshep and the left ear piece is Femshep, Listen to them one ear piece at a time to hear it.

This mixed with the other speculative evidence points so HARD at the I.T. that it is a shocker to know that there are people that still dont see it.

It really proves nothing. Sorry.

People see Bigfoot tracks all the time. And yet we still don't have a Bigfoot.

Indeed.

The IT is the bigfoot of videogames. The only difference as that we will have an answer in a few months. That's going to be fun.

 This is the part of all ot this that is so maddaning......... The devs WOULD NOT put that in there without a really good reason. Why would they make the same scripts for both shepard VA's and the kid? Not one of the anti-I.T. people can answer that question!

You have to be blind to not see it!

Or they were going for a art movie vibe like in a David Lynch film. I've seen this before. It means nothing. It's innocuous.

Again this is another part that I find is just madness from the anti-I.T. people.

They say that it means nothing but they aways seem to forget this...

1.Shepard IS dreaming in some places in ME3 that revolve around the kid!
2.According to the codex people with signs of indoctrination will hear "whispers" in there mind.......In shepards dreams (if you have dialogue on the screen) you can hear your firends whispering your name and the GAME has them labled as "Whispers" instead of the names of your firends. 
3.The rachni queen has mentioned that the indoctrination can make them see oily shadows and in shepards dreams we see oily shadows of people.
4. It is never mentioned why the catalyst looks like the kid in his/her dreams and shepard seems to accept this like one WOULD in a dream!

There are many more but those are just a few.

[Mr.BlazenGlazen]

He thinks that synthesis will break the struggle between organic and synthetics. In a way he's right, but it still is disgustingly horrifying.

[Cainora]

Big_Choppa wrote...

Cainora wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

The fact that Bioware thinks Destroy is the worse and Merge is the best just makes me want to puke.

You and me both.

Us three.

How do you justify changing the entire DNA structure of every living creature in the entire galaxy? So this would be eugentics on a galactic scale? How in the hell would this be moral?! This sounds like the horrible Aryan race thing going on. How do you justify this, Bioware?

I was personally more bothered by the fact they seem to prefer one ending over the others but yea still being forced to pick between Mass Genocide, Mass Slavery, or Mass Rape of DNA......yay

[Darth_Trethon]

devSin wrote...

Keep in mind that this was then they were still trying to use the semantics of "best" to try to dodge the issue of there being insufficient assets in single-player to be able to get an ending where Shepard survives.

I'm sure everyone at the office drank the synthesis kool-aid, but even if Mike hadn't, he was still going to argue over the meaning of "best" so as to cover up their lies about all the content being available through single-player alone.

True, they had no choice....either argue against destroy or admit they lied about the best ending being obtainable through SP only....which would have made EA take him down to the dungeon for many weeks and months of relentless torture.

[Goaliebot]

I've decided to cling to the "Mass Effect 4" theory as it makes me feel a little better.

[KevShep]

DTKT wrote...

KevShep wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

DTKT wrote...

KevShep wrote...

Indoctrination IS correct....

There is just no getting past the FACT that it is Shepard's voice speaking through the catalyst's voice reapeating everything the catalyst is saying at the end. This PROVES that the I.T. is true. You have to hear it with headphones or you will not hear it(because it is hard to hear...at first). The right ear piece is maleshep and the left ear piece is Femshep, Listen to them one ear piece at a time to hear it.

This mixed with the other speculative evidence points so HARD at the I.T. that it is a shocker to know that there are people that still dont see it.

It really proves nothing. Sorry.

People see Bigfoot tracks all the time. And yet we still don't have a Bigfoot.

 They see big foot tracks but NOT big foot...that is NOT like my evidence. You...CAN...hear shepard as the catalyst , so no its is nothing like seeing bigfoot tracks.

But there are different ways to view that particular thing. To me, it's nothing more than a small "easter egg". Like the scene where you see Shepard breathing. It has no real purpose, it's just a small nugget of "cool".

And I'm exporting the child model as we speak. I will find out for myself!

 There is no WAY that they would put an easter egg in the very last part of a game series that is "OPEN" to speculation on purpose dude!   It does have a reason!

Modifié par KevShep, 26 avril 2012 - 02:22 .

[daecath]

Anyone who believes the ending was anything except a poorly written, rushed, contrived, stolen mess that was shoved in at the last second is sorely delusional.

[Siansonea]

Personally, I don't think the best ending is destroy, actually.

Of course it isn't, because you can't have a "best" ending if they're all terrible. The most you hope for in such a scenario is "least awful".

[Malanek]

KevShep wrote...

Indoctrination IS correct....

There is just no getting past the FACT that it is Shepard's voice speaking through the catalyst's voice reapeating everything the catalyst is saying at the end. This PROVES that the I.T. is true. You have to hear it with headphones or you will not hear it(because it is hard to hear...at first). The right ear piece is maleshep and the left ear piece is Femshep, Listen to them one ear piece at a time to hear it.

This mixed with the other speculative evidence points so HARD at the I.T. that it is a shocker to know that there are people that still dont see it.

Kev, firstly let me say that I believed the indoctrination theory strongly before bioware devs started talking about the extended cut. Now I can't see how it can be true without Bioware saying something incorrect in the meantime.

The fact that it is Shepards voice does not "prove" the indoctrination theory. "Prove" is a very strong word people use much too flippantly. IMO all this does is provide strong evidence that the Catalyst is somehow associated with Sheps mind. Seeing it represented as the child shepard saw on earth is an even more obvious hint about that. But this doesn't mean the rest of the IT is correct (or incorrect). It could simply be how Shepard perceives the catalyst and everything the catalyst says is true.

[Darth_Trethon]

daecath wrote...

Anyone who believes the ending was anything except a poorly written, rushed, contrived, stolen mess that was shoved in at the last second is sorely delusional.

True....but for what it's worth the IT or at least parts of it could be used to salvage it quite neatly...also note how he carefully choses his words saying he "personally"....they must be aware nobody is drinking that synthesis/control coolaid and unless they are managed by idiots I don't think the Extended Cut would try to continue forcing that nonsense down our throats....the choices are still likely to be there with added scenes but I doubt they would further twist them to make synthesis appear better.

[Siansonea]

Cainora wrote...

Big_Choppa wrote...

Cainora wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

The fact that Bioware thinks Destroy is the worse and Merge is the best just makes me want to puke.

You and me both.

Us three.

How do you justify changing the entire DNA structure of every living creature in the entire galaxy? So this would be eugentics on a galactic scale? How in the hell would this be moral?! This sounds like the horrible Aryan race thing going on. How do you justify this, Bioware?

I was personally more bothered by the fact they seem to prefer one ending over the others but yea still being forced to pick between Mass Genocide, Mass Slavery, or Mass Rape of DNA......yay

Yeah, you'd think people who were trying to encourage "lots of speculation" would have thought about the implications of what they were presenting. But it's clear that they didn't think it through that far. Somebody at BioWare has a gynoid fetish or something if they think "Synthesis" is a legit "good" ending. I mean really.

[FatalX7.0]

KevShep wrote...

DTKT wrote...

KevShep wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

DTKT wrote...

KevShep wrote...

Indoctrination IS correct....

There is just no getting past the FACT that it is Shepard's voice speaking through the catalyst's voice reapeating everything the catalyst is saying at the end. This PROVES that the I.T. is true. You have to hear it with headphones or you will not hear it(because it is hard to hear...at first). The right ear piece is maleshep and the left ear piece is Femshep, Listen to them one ear piece at a time to hear it.

This mixed with the other speculative evidence points so HARD at the I.T. that it is a shocker to know that there are people that still dont see it.

It really proves nothing. Sorry.

People see Bigfoot tracks all the time. And yet we still don't have a Bigfoot.

 They see big foot tracks but NOT big foot...that is NOT like my evidence. You...CAN...hear shepard as the catalyst , so no its is nothing like seeing bigfoot tracks.

But there are different ways to view that particular thing. To me, it's nothing more than a small "easter egg". Like the scene where you see Shepard breathing. It has no real purpose, it's just a small nugget of "cool".

And I'm exporting the child model as we speak. I will find out for myself!

 There is no WAY that they would put an easter egg in the very last part of a game series that is "OPEN" to speculation on purpose dude!   It does have a reason!

Casey Hudson specifically said that he wanted the ending to open to interpretation and speculation.


And I already explained the dreams last time and it seems like you didn't even read. *sigh*

[KevShep]

Malanek999 wrote...


 It could simply be how Shepard perceives the catalyst and everything the catalyst says is true.

Is there is "any" proof of that?

[Malanek]

KevShep wrote...

Malanek999 wrote...


 It could simply be how Shepard perceives the catalyst and everything the catalyst says is true.

Is there is "any" proof of that?

No, I never claimed there was. I was just pointing out that what you were claiming was "proof" was not by providing a possible counter-example. It's very easy to disprove a proof (a bad one that is).

[Taboo]

Casey Hudson has the worst implementation of an open ending I've ever seen. That's a professional opinion mind you.

Oh and about dreams.........this isn't a Lynch film. It means nothing.

[KevShep]

FatalX7.0 wrote...

KevShep wrote...

DTKT wrote...

KevShep wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

DTKT wrote...

KevShep wrote...

Indoctrination IS correct....

There is just no getting past the FACT that it is Shepard's voice speaking through the catalyst's voice reapeating everything the catalyst is saying at the end. This PROVES that the I.T. is true. You have to hear it with headphones or you will not hear it(because it is hard to hear...at first). The right ear piece is maleshep and the left ear piece is Femshep, Listen to them one ear piece at a time to hear it.

This mixed with the other speculative evidence points so HARD at the I.T. that it is a shocker to know that there are people that still dont see it.

It really proves nothing. Sorry.

People see Bigfoot tracks all the time. And yet we still don't have a Bigfoot.

 They see big foot tracks but NOT big foot...that is NOT like my evidence. You...CAN...hear shepard as the catalyst , so no its is nothing like seeing bigfoot tracks.

But there are different ways to view that particular thing. To me, it's nothing more than a small "easter egg". Like the scene where you see Shepard breathing. It has no real purpose, it's just a small nugget of "cool".

And I'm exporting the child model as we speak. I will find out for myself!

 There is no WAY that they would put an easter egg in the very last part of a game series that is "OPEN" to speculation on purpose dude!   It does have a reason!

Casey Hudson specifically said that he wanted the ending to open to interpretation and speculation.


And I already explained the dreams last time and it seems like you didn't even read. *sigh*

I did read (it did not make any sense there were too many holes then before)...The I.T. follows the codex and the process of indoctrination a little to well for it to be a coincidence. Now I know what they mean by atristic integrity.
If you have so many coincidences at a time then it just mite not be a coincidence.

Modifié par KevShep, 26 avril 2012 - 02:36 .