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[Taboo]

It's a coincidence. Just like most conspiracy theories. The IT is dead.

[KevShep]

Malanek999 wrote...

KevShep wrote...

Malanek999 wrote...


 It could simply be how Shepard perceives the catalyst and everything the catalyst says is true.

Is there is "any" proof of that?

No, I never claimed there was. I was just pointing out that what you were claiming was "proof" was not by providing a possible counter-example. It's very easy to disprove a proof (a bad one that is).

 The fact that we know is that it is Shepard's voice in the catalyst's! We now need to find out why and all other evidence ALREADY points to I.T. even without it.

[KevShep]

Taboo-XX wrote...

It's a coincidence. Just like most conspiracy theories. The IT is dead.

For someone that is quick to write it off as non-sense with facts you are also very quick to accept the anti-I.T. with no facts. 

[FatalX7.0]

Taboo-XX wrote...

Casey Hudson has the worst implementation of an open ending I've ever seen. That's a professional opinion mind you.

Oh and about dreams.........this isn't a Lynch film. It means nothing.

The dreams and the child are too forced.

The dreams do mean something though, but nothing as in depth as people think. They just represent the increasing loss in the war and the previous games. You hear your squad mates whispering, the ghost figures increase as the game progresses, representing the increasing death toll.

The child being the focus of the dream is a cheap play on what Mordin said in ME 2 about his nephew, which also makes the ghost figures make a little more sense.

The child was forced just like Shepard's weird Earth centric bias.

Wait a second. There are holes in that? How are there holes in what I said about the dreams? You still can't make any sense, Kev.

Modifié par FatalX7.0, 26 avril 2012 - 02:38 .

[OH-UP-THIS!]

Goaliebot wrote...

I've decided to cling to the "Mass Effect 4" theory as it makes me feel a little better.

If anybody thinks this is a solution, well be my guest and play yer MP maps, for E/A to suck ya'll dry!!!!

I'm not giving these ingrates another damn dime until this Episode CONCLUDES!!!!

[FatalX7.0]

KevShep wrote...

Malanek999 wrote...

KevShep wrote...

Malanek999 wrote...


 It could simply be how Shepard perceives the catalyst and everything the catalyst says is true.

Is there is "any" proof of that?

No, I never claimed there was. I was just pointing out that what you were claiming was "proof" was not by providing a possible counter-example. It's very easy to disprove a proof (a bad one that is).

 The fact that we know is that it is Shepard's voice in the catalyst's! We now need to find out why and all other evidence ALREADY points to I.T. even without it.

Why would my female Shepard be hearing Mark Meer's voice?

Modifié par FatalX7.0, 26 avril 2012 - 02:37 .

[ashwind]

KevShep wrote...

I did read (it did not make any sense there were too many holes then before)...The I.T. follows the codex and the process of indoctrination a little to well for it to be a coincidence. Now I know that they mean be atristic integrity.
If you have so many coincidences at a time then it just mite not be a coincidence.

Please point me to the Codex that says: Indoctrination involves some sort of hallucination test and if you fail the test, you are indoctrinated. This is what the I.T. suggest and it is rubbish.

Saren, Be****a even TIM they all feel something even when they do not acknowledge it. They feel that something is screwing with their minds. When did Shepard feel all this? When did Shepard hear noises, experience memory disorientation, etc.

[Taboo]

KevShep wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

It's a coincidence. Just like most conspiracy theories. The IT is dead.

For someone that is quick to write it off as non-sense with facts you are also very quick to accept the anti-I.T. with no facts. 

Science is my fact. It has existed for a millenia and is beyond a lot of people's comprehension.

It's a fun thing to discuss but it doesn't mean anything.

[KevShep]

FatalX7.0 wrote...

KevShep wrote...

Malanek999 wrote...

KevShep wrote...

Malanek999 wrote...


 It could simply be how Shepard perceives the catalyst and everything the catalyst says is true.

Is there is "any" proof of that?

No, I never claimed there was. I was just pointing out that what you were claiming was "proof" was not by providing a possible counter-example. It's very easy to disprove a proof (a bad one that is).

 The fact that we know is that it is Shepard's voice in the catalyst's! We now need to find out why and all other evidence ALREADY points to I.T. even without it.

Why would my female Shepard be hearing Mark Meer's voice too?

Now your getting to it.

Bioware's Artistic intergrity is at work here(speculations)! We need to look more at what is there because there is a reason for it being that way.

[Taboo]

FatalX7.0 wrote...

KevShep wrote...

Malanek999 wrote...

KevShep wrote...

Malanek999 wrote...


 It could simply be how Shepard perceives the catalyst and everything the catalyst says is true.

Is there is "any" proof of that?

No, I never claimed there was. I was just pointing out that what you were claiming was "proof" was not by providing a possible counter-example. It's very easy to disprove a proof (a bad one that is).

 The fact that we know is that it is Shepard's voice in the catalyst's! We now need to find out why and all other evidence ALREADY points to I.T. even without it.

Why would my female Shepard be hearing Mark Meer's voice?

His proof is clearly infallible. How can you argue with such damning proof?

[FatalX7.0]

KevShep wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...

KevShep wrote...

Malanek999 wrote...

KevShep wrote...

Malanek999 wrote...


 It could simply be how Shepard perceives the catalyst and everything the catalyst says is true.

Is there is "any" proof of that?

No, I never claimed there was. I was just pointing out that what you were claiming was "proof" was not by providing a possible counter-example. It's very easy to disprove a proof (a bad one that is).

 The fact that we know is that it is Shepard's voice in the catalyst's! We now need to find out why and all other evidence ALREADY points to I.T. even without it.

Why would my female Shepard be hearing Mark Meer's voice too?

Now your getting to it.

Bioware's Artistic intergrity is at work here(speculations)! We need to look more at what is there because there is a reason for it being that way.

Don't mistake me calling you out on your assumptions as acceptance.

[Darth_Trethon]

Taboo-XX wrote...

It's a coincidence. Just like most conspiracy theories. The IT is dead.

Personally I am not too invested in the IT one way or another but I sure think it has more merit than a mere Conspiracy Theory.....even before the ending became known or much of an issue people were arguing whether the "child" in the demo was real and the arguments for it far outweigh those against it.....I would probably need to list them because you sound like you have a personal dislike of it that probably means you haven't really looked all the pro arguments.

Modifié par Darth_Trethon, 26 avril 2012 - 02:44 .

[KevShep]

Taboo-XX wrote...

KevShep wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

It's a coincidence. Just like most conspiracy theories. The IT is dead.

For someone that is quick to write it off as non-sense with facts you are also very quick to accept the anti-I.T. with no facts. 

Science is my fact. It has existed for a millenia and is beyond a lot of people's comprehension.

It's a fun thing to discuss but it doesn't mean anything.

Cause and effect!     We see the cause and then the effect or sometimes the other way around as we are doing now with the ending. People cant comprehend it because they dont look at ALL of the options made by the evidence.  

[KevShep]

FatalX7.0 wrote...

KevShep wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...

KevShep wrote...

Malanek999 wrote...

KevShep wrote...

Malanek999 wrote...


 It could simply be how Shepard perceives the catalyst and everything the catalyst says is true.

Is there is "any" proof of that?

No, I never claimed there was. I was just pointing out that what you were claiming was "proof" was not by providing a possible counter-example. It's very easy to disprove a proof (a bad one that is).

 The fact that we know is that it is Shepard's voice in the catalyst's! We now need to find out why and all other evidence ALREADY points to I.T. even without it.

Why would my female Shepard be hearing Mark Meer's voice too?

Now your getting to it.

Bioware's Artistic intergrity is at work here(speculations)! We need to look more at what is there because there is a reason for it being that way.

Don't mistake me calling you out on your assumptions as acceptance.

 I didnt..... I did notice that your focusing on the real problem. Most dont even consider it to be anything at all when clearly it is there.

[FatalX7.0]

KevShep wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...

KevShep wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...

KevShep wrote...

Malanek999 wrote...

KevShep wrote...

Malanek999 wrote...


 It could simply be how Shepard perceives the catalyst and everything the catalyst says is true.

Is there is "any" proof of that?

No, I never claimed there was. I was just pointing out that what you were claiming was "proof" was not by providing a possible counter-example. It's very easy to disprove a proof (a bad one that is).

 The fact that we know is that it is Shepard's voice in the catalyst's! We now need to find out why and all other evidence ALREADY points to I.T. even without it.

Why would my female Shepard be hearing Mark Meer's voice too?

Now your getting to it.

Bioware's Artistic intergrity is at work here(speculations)! We need to look more at what is there because there is a reason for it being that way.

Don't mistake me calling you out on your assumptions as acceptance.

 I didnt..... I did notice that your focusing on the real problem. Most dont even consider it to be anything at all when clearly it is there.

What?

No, not even close.

[FatalX7.0]

Taboo-XX wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...

KevShep wrote...

Malanek999 wrote...

KevShep wrote...

Malanek999 wrote...


 It could simply be how Shepard perceives the catalyst and everything the catalyst says is true.

Is there is "any" proof of that?

No, I never claimed there was. I was just pointing out that what you were claiming was "proof" was not by providing a possible counter-example. It's very easy to disprove a proof (a bad one that is).

 The fact that we know is that it is Shepard's voice in the catalyst's! We now need to find out why and all other evidence ALREADY points to I.T. even without it.

Why would my female Shepard be hearing Mark Meer's voice?

His proof is clearly infallible. How can you argue with such damning proof?

Obviously can't.

[StElmo]

Xellith wrote...

twitter.com/#!/GambleMike/status/195308506214187008

Mike Gamble said...

Personally, I don't think the best ending is destroy, actually.

Looking more and more likely that the ending we got was actually real and Bioware just completely forgot how to make a decent RPG right at the end.

This clarification DLC seems like its going to clear up that it wasnt indoctrination and that the ending just sucks.  Seems its likely part of their "artistic vision" to have a sucky ending.

Maybe that have some epic ME2 quality dlc planned?  /shrug

wth is going on in their heads? It's a no brainer.

[OH-UP-THIS!]

ashwind wrote...

KevShep wrote...

I did read (it did not make any sense there were too many holes then before)...The I.T. follows the codex and the process of indoctrination a little to well for it to be a coincidence. Now I know that they mean be atristic integrity.
If you have so many coincidences at a time then it just mite not be a coincidence.

Please point me to the Codex that says: Indoctrination involves some sort of hallucination test and if you fail the test, you are indoctrinated. This is what the I.T. suggest and it is rubbish.

Saren, Be****a even TIM they all feel something even when they do not acknowledge it. They feel that something is screwing with their minds. When did Shepard feel all this? When did Shepard hear noises, experience memory disorientation, etc.

Every time (s)he woke up, "are you alright?", Shep-"I didn't sleep very well, sorry"

I know of two instances of this, there may have been 3. During sleep is where these 'visions' were implemented.

[Darth_Trethon]

Taboo-XX wrote...

KevShep wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

It's a coincidence. Just like most conspiracy theories. The IT is dead.

For someone that is quick to write it off as non-sense with facts you are also very quick to accept the anti-I.T. with no facts. 

Science is my fact. It has existed for a millenia and is beyond a lot of people's comprehension.

It's a fun thing to discuss but it doesn't mean anything.

This is beyond hilarious in the context of Mass Effect....the science has long since been ditched. I mean machines made of organic matter should really terminate this "science" argument.....the premise and main villains of the ME franchise have nothing scientifical about them.

I highly suggest you drop the "science" argument.

[Taboo]

FatalX7.0 wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...

KevShep wrote...

Malanek999 wrote...

KevShep wrote...

Malanek999 wrote...


 It could simply be how Shepard perceives the catalyst and everything the catalyst says is true.

Is there is "any" proof of that?

No, I never claimed there was. I was just pointing out that what you were claiming was "proof" was not by providing a possible counter-example. It's very easy to disprove a proof (a bad one that is).

 The fact that we know is that it is Shepard's voice in the catalyst's! We now need to find out why and all other evidence ALREADY points to I.T. even without it.

Why would my female Shepard be hearing Mark Meer's voice?

His proof is clearly infallible. How can you argue with such damning proof?

Obviously can't.

I don't even know what he's saying anymore to be honest. His last response.........Jesus.

Would it be cool to see it? Yeah. Will it happen? Probably not.

[FatalX7.0]

ohupthis wrote...

ashwind wrote...

KevShep wrote...

I did read (it did not make any sense there were too many holes then before)...The I.T. follows the codex and the process of indoctrination a little to well for it to be a coincidence. Now I know that they mean be atristic integrity.
If you have so many coincidences at a time then it just mite not be a coincidence.

Please point me to the Codex that says: Indoctrination involves some sort of hallucination test and if you fail the test, you are indoctrinated. This is what the I.T. suggest and it is rubbish.

Saren, Be****a even TIM they all feel something even when they do not acknowledge it. They feel that something is screwing with their minds. When did Shepard feel all this? When did Shepard hear noises, experience memory disorientation, etc.

Every time (s)he woke up, "are you alright?", Shep-"I didn't sleep very well, sorry"

I know of two instances of this, there may have been 3. During sleep is where these 'visions' were implemented.

Forced, simple disconnections from the player, like the rest of the game.

Dreams about loss aren't exactly visions or remembering memories that are not yours, are they?

[Warod]

Destroy all reapers, the one goal our hero set out to do after the first game and the only option Anderson would even consider, not the best? This is laughable. I am sure Saren or The Illusive Man's options are much better.

[Taboo]

Darth_Trethon wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

KevShep wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

It's a coincidence. Just like most conspiracy theories. The IT is dead.

For someone that is quick to write it off as non-sense with facts you are also very quick to accept the anti-I.T. with no facts. 

Science is my fact. It has existed for a millenia and is beyond a lot of people's comprehension.

It's a fun thing to discuss but it doesn't mean anything.

This is beyond hilarious in the context of Mass Effect....the science has long since been ditched. I mean machines made of organic matter should really terminate this "science" argument.....the premise and main villains of the ME franchise have nothing scientifical about them.

I highly suggest you drop the "science" argument.

Sciene in regards to the psychology behind your delusion. Your comment only furthers my belief that you truly have no idea how far you are on the downward spiral.

You'll be exorcising me next.

[FatalX7.0]

Darth_Trethon wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

KevShep wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

It's a coincidence. Just like most conspiracy theories. The IT is dead.

For someone that is quick to write it off as non-sense with facts you are also very quick to accept the anti-I.T. with no facts. 

Science is my fact. It has existed for a millenia and is beyond a lot of people's comprehension.

It's a fun thing to discuss but it doesn't mean anything.

This is beyond hilarious in the context of Mass Effect....the science has long since been ditched. I mean machines made of organic matter should really terminate this "science" argument.....the premise and main villains of the ME franchise have nothing scientifical about them.

I highly suggest you drop the "science" argument.

I really don't think that's what Taboo meant.

[KevShep]

ohupthis wrote...

ashwind wrote...

KevShep wrote...

I did read (it did not make any sense there were too many holes then before)...The I.T. follows the codex and the process of indoctrination a little to well for it to be a coincidence. Now I know that they mean be atristic integrity.
If you have so many coincidences at a time then it just mite not be a coincidence.

Please point me to the Codex that says: Indoctrination involves some sort of hallucination test and if you fail the test, you are indoctrinated. This is what the I.T. suggest and it is rubbish.

Saren, Be****a even TIM they all feel something even when they do not acknowledge it. They feel that something is screwing with their minds. When did Shepard feel all this? When did Shepard hear noises, experience memory disorientation, etc.

Every time (s)he woke up, "are you alright?", Shep-"I didn't sleep very well, sorry"

I know of two instances of this, there may have been 3. During sleep is where these 'visions' were implemented.

This came from Mass Effect Wiki...

the victim may suffer headaches and hallucinations, have feelings of "being watched" or paranoia, or come to view the Reaper itself with superstitious awe. Ultimately, the Reaper gains the ability to use the victim's body to amplify its signal, manifesting as voices within the victim's mind.

Shepard is having headaches and hullucinations and is also hearing voices in his/her head in dreams as well as having shepards voice in the catalysts voice. In this case the catalyst is in his/her head!