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[KevShep]

Taboo-XX wrote...

KevShep wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

Yeah, those dreams can be explained by something in the real world.......it's called PTSD.

When you witness a traumatic event you dream about it........all the time.

This is science fact. People can dream without being indoctrinated. I do it ALL the time.

 (sarcasm)- I guess that Shepard has PTSD then and not something more fitting with the lore. 

Are you serious? 

Sarcasm!

[FatalX7.0]

Darth_Trethon wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

Yeah, those dreams can be explained by something in the real world.......it's called PTSD.

When you witness a traumatic event you dream about it........all the time.

This is science fact. People can dream without being indoctrinated. I do it ALL the time.

So did the catalyst bend Shepard's mind to have Shep see him as a child.....Shep is clearly stomped and has no argument against it unlike with the Illusive Man....after the Illusive Man controlled shepard just long enough to make him shoot Anderson....are you saying the Catalyst can do less?

As I said arguing against the IT has A LOT more holes than arguing for because the Catalyst is there from the start.

I say that the ending is rushed. The broken pistol and scenes that were cut is a good indicator of that.

Modifié par FatalX7.0, 26 avril 2012 - 03:07 .

[ryuasiu]

I would really like this to be proof that IT is dead, as I would like an answer one way or another. But...Mr. Gamble has a tendency to be a freaking troll. Also he seems to be saying that synthesis is the best ending, which does not make sense for IT or reality. They were saying earlier that control is best because the relays could be repaired. Now they are trying to say Synthesis is the best. I don't think even they know what the endings are about yet.

[FatalX7.0]

KevShep wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

KevShep wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

Yeah, those dreams can be explained by something in the real world.......it's called PTSD.

When you witness a traumatic event you dream about it........all the time.

This is science fact. People can dream without being indoctrinated. I do it ALL the time.

 (sarcasm)- I guess that Shepard has PTSD then and not something more fitting with the lore. 

http://faildesk.net/...e2-300x287.jpg

Are you serious? 

Sarcasm!

I can't facepalm any harder or I'll break my nose.

[FatalX7.0]

FatalX7.0 wrote...

KevShep wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

Yeah, those dreams can be explained by something in the real world.......it's called PTSD.

When you witness a traumatic event you dream about it........all the time.

This is science fact. People can dream without being indoctrinated. I do it ALL the time.

 (sarcasm)- I guess that Shepard has PTSD then and not something more fitting with the lore. 

PTSD is Post Traumatic Stress Disorder.

That's actually very fitting with what is going on. It's an anxiety disorder that can be caused by traumatic and stressful events that involve death. Like the death of millions upon millions of people that you are in charge of saving.

[KevShep]

ryuasiu wrote...

I would really like this to be proof that IT is dead, as I would like an answer one way or another. But...Mr. Gamble has a tendency to be a freaking troll. Also he seems to be saying that synthesis is the best ending, which does not make sense for IT or reality. They were saying earlier that control is best because the relays could be repaired. Now they are trying to say Synthesis is the best. I don't think even they know what the endings are about yet.

If Bioware is keeping a illusion than they are going to keep that illusion! If not then they would just stamp out the I.T. already.

Modifié par KevShep, 26 avril 2012 - 03:10 .

[Darth_Trethon]

FatalX7.0 wrote...

Darth_Trethon wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...

What the hell.

Where did that come from?

Oppening scene....Catalyst playing with toy ship, minutes later Catalyst in vent and then Catalyst boarding shuttle that got blown up by reapers....forgot already? Go play the opening of the game again if you need?

Or are you going to say that the child and the dreams just accidentally happened to look exactly like the Catalyst.

My mind has been blown by the lack of coherence.

Riiiiight....denying something exists or has any worth is the best way to get the last word when you have nothing left to say.

There's certainly a lot of coherence to the fact that the child in the opening level on earth looks exactly like the Catalyst and to the fact that nobody but Shepard ever seems to notice or interact with this child.

[MarchWaltz]

People actually still think the indoc theory is real? Man..talk about mass hysteria. Give it up guys. We lost. The best thing we can hope for is that bioware is hurt by this in the long run.

There should be a golden rule on how to end a series. Mass Effect series = Bad. Metal Gear series = Good

[ashwind]

ohupthis wrote...

ashwind wrote...

KevShep wrote...

I did read (it did not make any sense there were too many holes then before)...The I.T. follows the codex and the process of indoctrination a little to well for it to be a coincidence. Now I know that they mean be atristic integrity.
If you have so many coincidences at a time then it just mite not be a coincidence.

Please point me to the Codex that says: Indoctrination involves some sort of hallucination test and if you fail the test, you are indoctrinated. This is what the I.T. suggest and it is rubbish.

Saren, Be****a even TIM they all feel something even when they do not acknowledge it. They feel that something is screwing with their minds. When did Shepard feel all this? When did Shepard hear noises, experience memory disorientation, etc.

Every time (s)he woke up, "are you alright?", Shep-"I didn't sleep very well, sorry"

I know of two instances of this, there may have been 3. During sleep is where these 'visions' were implemented.

That is not definitive in itself. Garrus told Shepard that a certain Turian friend of his aint sleeping any better. And how is that disorientation?

If you have just witness the destruction of your neighbourhood, country, planet. If you aint having nightmares about it, you would be more likely indoctrinated by the Reapers. 

[KevShep]

Darth_Trethon wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...

Darth_Trethon wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...

What the hell.

Where did that come from?

Oppening scene....Catalyst playing with toy ship, minutes later Catalyst in vent and then Catalyst boarding shuttle that got blown up by reapers....forgot already? Go play the opening of the game again if you need?

Or are you going to say that the child and the dreams just accidentally happened to look exactly like the Catalyst.

My mind has been blown by the lack of coherence.

Riiiiight....denying something exists or has any worth is the best way to get the last word when you have nothing left to say.

There's certainly a lot of coherence to the fact that the child in the opening level on earth looks exactly like the Catalyst and to the fact that nobody but Shepard ever seems to notice or interact with this child.

Thats kind of what Iam saying in a way. The evidence is there.

[FatalX7.0]

Darth_Trethon wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...

Darth_Trethon wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...

What the hell.

Where did that come from?

Oppening scene....Catalyst playing with toy ship, minutes later Catalyst in vent and then Catalyst boarding shuttle that got blown up by reapers....forgot already? Go play the opening of the game again if you need?

Or are you going to say that the child and the dreams just accidentally happened to look exactly like the Catalyst.

My mind has been blown by the lack of coherence.

Riiiiight....denying something exists or has any worth is the best way to get the last word when you have nothing left to say.

There's certainly a lot of coherence to the fact that the child in the opening level on earth looks exactly like the Catalyst and to the fact that nobody but Shepard ever seems to notice or interact with this child.

That is a hell of a lot of assumptions.

[Diegofsv]

Artistic Integrity! Forget it guys, the end was supposed to be artistic...its just stupid, lack logic coherence, its full of plot holes, add a deus ex machina at the end and its a ripoff from Deus Ex, yet they really thought it was an artistic end, since nobody wanted something too videogamey right?
IT is dead....they would probably tease us by now if there was something else behind the end, but we know that they didn`t have a damn clue that the end would be so hated.

[FatalX7.0]

KevShep wrote...

Darth_Trethon wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...

Darth_Trethon wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...

What the hell.

Where did that come from?

Oppening scene....Catalyst playing with toy ship, minutes later Catalyst in vent and then Catalyst boarding shuttle that got blown up by reapers....forgot already? Go play the opening of the game again if you need?

Or are you going to say that the child and the dreams just accidentally happened to look exactly like the Catalyst.

My mind has been blown by the lack of coherence.

Riiiiight....denying something exists or has any worth is the best way to get the last word when you have nothing left to say.

There's certainly a lot of coherence to the fact that the child in the opening level on earth looks exactly like the Catalyst and to the fact that nobody but Shepard ever seems to notice or interact with this child.

Thats kind of what Iam saying in a way. The evidence is there.

There is no "evidence" by definition.

The only thing there is is assumptions, speculation and guesses.

[Stygian1]

...wow apperently BioWare wants to turn us all into husks. Remind me NOT to hang out in dark rooms with the staff.

[KevShep]

FatalX7.0 wrote...

Darth_Trethon wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...

Darth_Trethon wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...

What the hell.

Where did that come from?

Oppening scene....Catalyst playing with toy ship, minutes later Catalyst in vent and then Catalyst boarding shuttle that got blown up by reapers....forgot already? Go play the opening of the game again if you need?

Or are you going to say that the child and the dreams just accidentally happened to look exactly like the Catalyst.

My mind has been blown by the lack of coherence.

Riiiiight....denying something exists or has any worth is the best way to get the last word when you have nothing left to say.

There's certainly a lot of coherence to the fact that the child in the opening level on earth looks exactly like the Catalyst and to the fact that nobody but Shepard ever seems to notice or interact with this child.

That is a hell of a lot of assumptions.

There not assumptions..No one  looks at the boy (yes its true go back and look) but he looks at you from far away twice as if saying something with his eyes.

[-Skorpious-]

Darth_Trethon wrote...

There's certainly a lot of coherence to the fact that the child in the opening level on earth looks exactly like the Catalyst and to the fact that nobody but Shepard ever seems to notice or interact with this child.

It is completely reasonable to assume that Bioware simply reused the Earth kid's appearance for the star child because, well, they thought we would find it "emotionally engaging". 

[FatalX7.0]

KevShep wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...

Darth_Trethon wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...

Darth_Trethon wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...

What the hell.

Where did that come from?

Oppening scene....Catalyst playing with toy ship, minutes later Catalyst in vent and then Catalyst boarding shuttle that got blown up by reapers....forgot already? Go play the opening of the game again if you need?

Or are you going to say that the child and the dreams just accidentally happened to look exactly like the Catalyst.

My mind has been blown by the lack of coherence.

Riiiiight....denying something exists or has any worth is the best way to get the last word when you have nothing left to say.

There's certainly a lot of coherence to the fact that the child in the opening level on earth looks exactly like the Catalyst and to the fact that nobody but Shepard ever seems to notice or interact with this child.

That is a hell of a lot of assumptions.

There not assumptions..No one  looks at the boy (yes its true go back and look) but he looks at you from far away twice as if saying something with his eyes.

Yes, they are assumptions, including what you just said.

Saying something with his eyes? You're analyzing far too much.

[FatalX7.0]

-Skorpious- wrote...

Darth_Trethon wrote...

There's certainly a lot of coherence to the fact that the child in the opening level on earth looks exactly like the Catalyst and to the fact that nobody but Shepard ever seems to notice or interact with this child.

It is completely reasonable to assume that Bioware simply reused the Earth kid's appearance for the star child because, well, they thought we would find it "emotionally engaging". 

I'd sooner believe this because it actually makes sense with the whole game. Everything was so forced, rushed and disconnected.

[KevShep]

FatalX7.0 wrote...

KevShep wrote...

Darth_Trethon wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...

Darth_Trethon wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...

What the hell.

Where did that come from?

Oppening scene....Catalyst playing with toy ship, minutes later Catalyst in vent and then Catalyst boarding shuttle that got blown up by reapers....forgot already? Go play the opening of the game again if you need?

Or are you going to say that the child and the dreams just accidentally happened to look exactly like the Catalyst.

My mind has been blown by the lack of coherence.

Riiiiight....denying something exists or has any worth is the best way to get the last word when you have nothing left to say.

There's certainly a lot of coherence to the fact that the child in the opening level on earth looks exactly like the Catalyst and to the fact that nobody but Shepard ever seems to notice or interact with this child.

Thats kind of what Iam saying in a way. The evidence is there.

There is no "evidence" by definition.

The only thing there is is assumptions, speculation and guesses.

 Evidence is things you can see/messure/touch and assumptions are things based on evidence. But your calling what you can "see"...or evidence as assumptions.

[Darth_Trethon]

FatalX7.0 wrote...

That is a hell of a lot of assumptions.

I think there is something to be said here since a lot of people didn't believe the child was real from the demo long before the ending was known or even became an issue.....

In the end this argument is pointless because no ammount of reasoning or facts is going to change your stance....you just don't want the IT period for whatever reason.

Personally I don't care how they fix the ending as long as the Extended Cut is actually good and well made but I do see the IT as their best shot. As for the "it's not going to happen" stance....what BioWare said is way too vague and unclear and they haven't touched the IT with a ten foot pole yet and we haven't the faintest clue as to what exactly they are doing with the Extended Cut.

[KevShep]

FatalX7.0 wrote...

KevShep wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...

Darth_Trethon wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...

Darth_Trethon wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...

What the hell.

Where did that come from?

Oppening scene....Catalyst playing with toy ship, minutes later Catalyst in vent and then Catalyst boarding shuttle that got blown up by reapers....forgot already? Go play the opening of the game again if you need?

Or are you going to say that the child and the dreams just accidentally happened to look exactly like the Catalyst.

My mind has been blown by the lack of coherence.

Riiiiight....denying something exists or has any worth is the best way to get the last word when you have nothing left to say.

There's certainly a lot of coherence to the fact that the child in the opening level on earth looks exactly like the Catalyst and to the fact that nobody but Shepard ever seems to notice or interact with this child.

That is a hell of a lot of assumptions.

There not assumptions..No one  looks at the boy (yes its true go back and look) but he looks at you from far away twice as if saying something with his eyes.

Yes, they are assumptions, including what you just said.

Saying something with his eyes? You're analyzing far too much.

 Your assuming against evidence. No one sees him! Yes its is true! 

The part about saying something with his eyes IS an assumption BASED on the evidence!

[eddieoctane]

You can't argue some bizarre eugenics experiment is the "best" ending. That's so incredibly abhorrent. I can't even put into words my problems with that line of thinking without risking a perma-ban.

And beyond that, the only difference between synthesis and control is the time that will pass before the Reapers come back to kill us all. In control, you've got a few thousand years. With synthesis, it'll be a few million before new purely organic cells emerge from the raw materials they have on every planet. With species as different as the Hanar, Volus, and Elcor, I have to assume that life always finds a way to bring itself into existence. And without fundamentally altering subatomic particles, a purely synthetic entity can still be created. As the Reapers don't fly off into the nearest star after the green wave hits, they will most likely come back once the organic/synthetic divide reasserts itself.

So since both control and synthesis don't solve the problem and destroy isn't the best ending, there's only two other possibilities. A, a 4th ending is forthcoming where Shepard shuts Star-Jar the hell up and beats Harbinger into a pile of oozing scrap metal, or B, Mike is full of crap. Unfortunately, the latter seems far more likely.

The logic at BioWare astounds me. "Artistic integrity" and forcing someone's idea of a homogenous utopia upon the entire galaxy are not how to convince people you're a decent company anymore. Now you'll have to excuse me. I need to clear my mind of the ethical ramifications of even suggesting synthesis is a good idea. Disgusting.

[FatalX7.0]

KevShep wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...

KevShep wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...

Darth_Trethon wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...

Darth_Trethon wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...

What the hell.

Where did that come from?

Oppening scene....Catalyst playing with toy ship, minutes later Catalyst in vent and then Catalyst boarding shuttle that got blown up by reapers....forgot already? Go play the opening of the game again if you need?

Or are you going to say that the child and the dreams just accidentally happened to look exactly like the Catalyst.

My mind has been blown by the lack of coherence.

Riiiiight....denying something exists or has any worth is the best way to get the last word when you have nothing left to say.

There's certainly a lot of coherence to the fact that the child in the opening level on earth looks exactly like the Catalyst and to the fact that nobody but Shepard ever seems to notice or interact with this child.

That is a hell of a lot of assumptions.

There not assumptions..No one  looks at the boy (yes its true go back and look) but he looks at you from far away twice as if saying something with his eyes.

Yes, they are assumptions, including what you just said.

Saying something with his eyes? You're analyzing far too much.

 Your assuming against evidence. No one sees him! Yes its is true! 

The part about saying something with his eyes IS an assumption BASED on the evidence!

How do you know?

Modifié par FatalX7.0, 26 avril 2012 - 03:22 .

[KevShep]

FatalX7.0 wrote...

-Skorpious- wrote...

Darth_Trethon wrote...

There's certainly a lot of coherence to the fact that the child in the opening level on earth looks exactly like the Catalyst and to the fact that nobody but Shepard ever seems to notice or interact with this child.

It is completely reasonable to assume that Bioware simply reused the Earth kid's appearance for the star child because, well, they thought we would find it "emotionally engaging". 

I'd sooner believe this because it actually makes sense with the whole game. Everything was so forced, rushed and disconnected.

I find it fitting that you mentioned "disconnected"! Like a dream!

[FatalX7.0]

Evidence is that which proves or disproves.

Imagining things in your head to make sense of plotholes in a game is not evidence. That's an interpretation, that's your view point, that's what you think happened.