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[dreman9999]

DTKT wrote...

Stop it now.

You can't prove he's not real. He can't prove that he's real. Find something else to argue about.

The fact that he show up agien as the catalyst puts it in question.  How does the catalyst know about the boy?  Why is the ending so odd? Is the star child telling the truth? Why is it helping me?
Then add in this list...
fact 1. People are
indoctrinated by being near reapers and reaper tech. 

fact 2. People that
at are under the process of indoctrination here whispers.

Fact 3.Shepard is
near allot of reaper tech through out ME1 and ME2.

Fact 4. Shepard is
hit by an indoctrination field in the arrival dlc, in which he see's visions
and hears voices....http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F5vKMfh6gBk

fact5.Indoctrination does not just go
away...http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Rana_Thanoptis



'If Rana survived
Mass Effect and Mass Effect 2, she will appear in an ANN Report on
indoctrination. She has apparently murdered several top asari officials and
then committed suicide. While in custody, Thanoptis reported "voices"
in her head (a typical symptom of indoctrination) to investigators."



Fact 6. The reapers can manipulate
dreams...http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=ldIJFRvDUp4#t=690s

The reseachers on project rho in Arrival also taked about strange dreams  when they were being indoctrinated.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?list=PL48B6A3172825B65F&feature=player_detailpage&v=CAstYTITiTw#t=249s 

Fact 7. Reapers can indoctrinatewith quantum intanglement.http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Codex/Arrival:_The_Reapers'_Secrets 

The third discovery is that the object broadcasts signals and information on many different spectra. One such pulse, suspected to be similar to a quantum entanglement communicator, reaches into. Another broadcast is infrasound, consistent with frequencies that trigger feelings of awe and fear in , a known factor in Reaper indoctrination. Kenson's laboratory is filled with equipment dedicated to monitoring any signal coming from the artifact in the hopes that some clue will prove the Reapers' undoing before it's too late. "

Fact 8. You hear whispers in sheps dreams....http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZIKewKW9bb0&feature=related 
....
That add alot more be questioned....
Really, can anyone prove that the ending really happened?

[Seryl]

eddieoctane wrote...

You can't argue some bizarre eugenics experiment is the "best" ending. That's so incredibly abhorrent. I can't even put into words my problems with that line of thinking without risking a perma-ban.

And beyond that, the only difference between synthesis and control is the time that will pass before the Reapers come back to kill us all. In control, you've got a few thousand years. With synthesis, it'll be a few million before new purely organic cells emerge from the raw materials they have on every planet. With species as different as the Hanar, Volus, and Elcor, I have to assume that life always finds a way to bring itself into existence. And without fundamentally altering subatomic particles, a purely synthetic entity can still be created. As the Reapers don't fly off into the nearest star after the green wave hits, they will most likely come back once the organic/synthetic divide reasserts itself.

So since both control and synthesis don't solve the problem and destroy isn't the best ending, there's only two other possibilities. A, a 4th ending is forthcoming where Shepard shuts Star-Jar the hell up and beats Harbinger into a pile of oozing scrap metal, or B, Mike is full of crap. Unfortunately, the latter seems far more likely.

The logic at BioWare astounds me. "Artistic integrity" and forcing someone's idea of a homogenous utopia upon the entire galaxy are not how to convince people you're a decent company anymore. Now you'll have to excuse me. I need to clear my mind of the ethical ramifications of even suggesting synthesis is a good idea. Disgusting.

Mate,

If I ever meet you, beer's on me.

[Funkdrspot]

KevShep wrote...

Funkdrspot wrote...

KevShep wrote...

Funkdrspot wrote...

a blow to the ribs?! This was more like a complete whiff as it didn't even address IT, directly or indirectly.

Now the PAX comment, THAT was a blow to the ribs.

No it was not...They said that they wanted to avoid talking about it in Pax. They said nothing of it being untrue!

They wanted to avoid talking about it but I distinctly remember the comment that went something like
"That just shows the......committment our fans have" 

They are talking about the movment not the I.T..

You take it how you want but to me it an indirect dismiss of IT.

[DTKT]

dreman9999 wrote...

DTKT wrote...

Stop it now.

You can't prove he's not real. He can't prove that he's real. Find something else to argue about.

The fact that he show up agien as the catalyst puts it in question.  How does the catalyst know about the boy?  Why is the ending so odd? Is the star child telling the truth? Why is it helping me?
Then add in this list...
fact 1. People are
indoctrinated by being near reapers and reaper tech. 

fact 2. People that
at are under the process of indoctrination here whispers.

Fact 3.Shepard is
near allot of reaper tech through out ME1 and ME2.

Fact 4. Shepard is
hit by an indoctrination field in the arrival dlc, in which he see's visions
and hears voices....http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F5vKMfh6gBk

fact5.Indoctrination does not just go
away...http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Rana_Thanoptis



'If Rana survived
Mass Effect and Mass Effect 2, she will appear in an ANN Report on
indoctrination. She has apparently murdered several top asari officials and
then committed suicide. While in custody, Thanoptis reported "voices"
in her head (a typical symptom of indoctrination) to investigators."



Fact 6. The reapers can manipulate
dreams...http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=ldIJFRvDUp4#t=690s

The reseachers on project rho in Arrival also taked about strange dreams  when they were being indoctrinated.

http://www.youtube.c...YTITiTw#t=249s 

[color=rgb(170, 170, 170)">Fact 7. ] [/color]

[color=rgb(170, 170, 170)">The third discovery is that the object broadcasts signals and information on many different spectra. One such pulse, suspected to be similar to a quantum entanglement communicator, reaches into. Another broadcast is infrasound, consistent with frequencies that trigger feelings of awe and fear in , a known factor in Reaper ]. Kenson's laboratory is filled with equipment dedicated to monitoring any signal coming from the artifact in the hopes that some clue will prove the Reapers' undoing before it's too late. "[/color]

Fact 8. You hear whispers in sheps dreams....http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZIKewKW9bb0&feature=related 
....
That add alot more be questioned....
Really, can anyone prove that the ending really happened?

I can't read what you wrote because it's horribly formatted. BUT HERE IS MY COUNTERPOINT! BEHOLD!

[dreman9999]

Also, another take to the statment.

What is it's context. Is he refering to the best ending for Shepard, or the best ending to see based on drama and story?
Based on IT, the story will end in two ways, a free mind Shepard or an Indoctrinated Shepard.
Indoct Shepard ending though being the bad ending for Shep would be the most dramatic. It would end with Shepard finding out he is indoctrinated with help from squad, try and fight back only to find out he/she can't and realized he/she has to killed her self to be free. Shep would sad say his/her last good bye to everyone and his/her love interest and then dramatic kill him/herself via player interrupt... The would be a better dramatic ending to see.

[KevShep]

Funkdrspot wrote...

KevShep wrote...

Funkdrspot wrote...

KevShep wrote...

Funkdrspot wrote...

a blow to the ribs?! This was more like a complete whiff as it didn't even address IT, directly or indirectly.

Now the PAX comment, THAT was a blow to the ribs.

No it was not...They said that they wanted to avoid talking about it in Pax. They said nothing of it being untrue!

They wanted to avoid talking about it but I distinctly remember the comment that went something like
"That just shows the......committment our fans have" 

They are talking about the movment not the I.T..

You take it how you want but to me it an indirect dismiss of IT.

 Then they would have done it at Pax but they did not so it is about something else they were talking about like the movment.

[dreman9999]

DTKT wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

DTKT wrote...

Stop it now.

You can't prove he's not real. He can't prove that he's real. Find something else to argue about.

The fact that he show up agien as the catalyst puts it in question.  How does the catalyst know about the boy?  Why is the ending so odd? Is the star child telling the truth? Why is it helping me?
Then add in this list...
fact 1. People are
indoctrinated by being near reapers and reaper tech. 

fact 2. People that
at are under the process of indoctrination here whispers.

Fact 3.Shepard is
near allot of reaper tech through out ME1 and ME2.

Fact 4. Shepard is
hit by an indoctrination field in the arrival dlc, in which he see's visions
and hears voices....http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F5vKMfh6gBk

fact5.Indoctrination does not just go
away...http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Rana_Thanoptis



'If Rana survived
Mass Effect and Mass Effect 2, she will appear in an ANN Report on
indoctrination. She has apparently murdered several top asari officials and
then committed suicide. While in custody, Thanoptis reported "voices"
in her head (a typical symptom of indoctrination) to investigators."



Fact 6. The reapers can manipulate
dreams...http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=ldIJFRvDUp4#t=690s

The reseachers on project rho in Arrival also taked about strange dreams  when they were being indoctrinated.

http://www.youtube.c...YTITiTw#t=249s 

[color=rgb(170, 170, 170)">Fact 7. ] [/color]

[color=rgb(170, 170, 170)">The third discovery is that the object broadcasts signals and information on many different spectra. One such pulse, suspected to be similar to a quantum entanglement communicator, reaches into. Another broadcast is infrasound, consistent with frequencies that trigger feelings of awe and fear in , a known factor in Reaper ]. Kenson's laboratory is filled with equipment dedicated to monitoring any signal coming from the artifact in the hopes that some clue will prove the Reapers' undoing before it's too late. "[/color]

Fact 8. You hear whispers in sheps dreams....http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZIKewKW9bb0&feature=related 
....
That add alot more be questioned....
Really, can anyone prove that the ending really happened?

I can't read what you wrote because it's horribly formatted. BUT HERE IS MY COUNTERPOINT! BEHOLD!

If they want people to not guess it's indoctrination based on the ending, making it with lots of speculation. It would indoctrinate the player. Also, you really think they would put the plans for it in a doc before they put it out?

[DTKT]

I still can't figure out if you are outright trolling or are genuinely on board with the IT.

[KevShep]

DTKT wrote...



I can't read what you wrote because it's horribly formatted. BUT HERE IS MY COUNTERPOINT! BEHOLD!

 Thats not very good! I cant read it!  Did you really write it on a piece of paper?

[KevShep]

DTKT wrote...

I still can't figure out if you are outright trolling or are genuinely on board with the IT.

Are YOU trolling?

[DTKT]

KevShep wrote...

DTKT wrote...



I can't read what you wrote because it's horribly formatted. BUT HERE IS MY COUNTERPOINT! BEHOLD!

 Thats not very good! I cant read it!  Did you really write it on a piece of paper?

It's from the "Final Hours" app. A game journalist had access to everything at Bioware during the last few months of dev time. He then created a interactive application about that time. This is the official ending plan from Mac Walters, lead writer of ME3.

http://me3finalhours.com/ 

If, by that point, you still believe in the IT, then I'm afraid I cannot do anything to help you.

Modifié par DTKT, 26 avril 2012 - 04:16 .

[bahamutomega]

HopHazzard wrote...

The thing I don't get about IT, and maybe I'm wrong, is that it seems to rely on the notion that BioWare sold us a game without an ending. At least that's the impression I get. I don't see how that's actually preferable to BioWare selling us a game with a bad ending.

you didn't miss anything.  if the indoc hypothesis is true, the game is incomplete.
if they just plain screwed it up, the game is incomplete.
if this is the ending that they wanted us to have, you need a PhD to understand most of it.  or a fairly large document that requires a table of contents to explain it to you.  or...  they sold us an incomplete game.

basically... what it comes down to is what you said - they sold us a game without an ending.

[KevShep]

DTKT wrote...

KevShep wrote...

DTKT wrote...



I can't read what you wrote because it's horribly formatted. BUT HERE IS MY COUNTERPOINT! BEHOLD!

 Thats not very good! I cant read it!  Did you really write it on a piece of paper?

It's from the "Final Hours" app. A game journalist had access to everything at Bioware during the last few months of dev time. He then created a interactive application about that time. This is the official ending plan from Mac Walters, lead writer of ME3.

http://me3finalhours.com/ 

If, by that point, you still believe in the IT, then I'm afraid I cannot do anything to help you.

It looks like the leaked script...This is not the ending...Bioware has said in the news and annocments that Shepards story is not over and to hold on to your saves.

Some one (forgive me but I dont know who. It was a topic on here) looked at the endings to see if they were "flaged" and they pointed out that the destroy ending was the ONLY one flaged. In case you dont know that flaged is, its a way that tells the game your choices so they can be carried over. 

Modifié par KevShep, 26 avril 2012 - 04:22 .

[ryuasiu]

 This does not mean Idoc is right, and does not meanIT is wrong. I am posting this to show that we all need to relax and not blow up at every small thing that is tweeted and just relax. We are not going to get any defintive answers till the ending comes out.

twitter.com/PatrickWeekes/statuses/195351579942072320

[eddieoctane]

Seryl wrote...

*snip*

Mate,

If I ever meet you, beer's on me.

I'd be more than happy to buy the first round if you ever find yourself near Philly. Yuengling is good stuff.

[KevShep]

ryuasiu wrote...

 This does not mean Idoc is right, and does not meanIT is wrong. I am posting this to show that we all need to relax and not blow up at every small thing that is tweeted and just relax. We are not going to get any defintive answers till the ending comes out.

twitter.com/PatrickWeekes/statuses/195351579942072320

New question speculation is...when?

[cachx]

 The thing about Indoctrination theory, at least for me, is that is only acceptable if it stays a theory. 

Having an official validation of it would destroy the appeal.

[HiddenKING]

dreman9999 wrote...

DTKT wrote...

Stop it now.

You can't prove he's not real. He can't prove that he's real. Find something else to argue about.

The fact that he show up agien as the catalyst puts it in question.  How does the catalyst know about the boy?  Why is the ending so odd? Is the star child telling the truth? Why is it helping me?
Then add in this list...
fact 1. People are
indoctrinated by being near reapers and reaper tech. 

fact 2. People that
at are under the process of indoctrination here whispers.

Fact 3.Shepard is
near allot of reaper tech through out ME1 and ME2.

Fact 4. Shepard is
hit by an indoctrination field in the arrival dlc, in which he see's visions
and hears voices....http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F5vKMfh6gBk

fact5.Indoctrination does not just go
away...http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Rana_Thanoptis



'If Rana survived
Mass Effect and Mass Effect 2, she will appear in an ANN Report on
indoctrination. She has apparently murdered several top asari officials and
then committed suicide. While in custody, Thanoptis reported "voices"
in her head (a typical symptom of indoctrination) to investigators."



Fact 6. The reapers can manipulate
dreams...http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=ldIJFRvDUp4#t=690s

The reseachers on project rho in Arrival also taked about strange dreams  when they were being indoctrinated.

http://www.youtube.c...YTITiTw#t=249s 

[color=rgb(170, 170, 170)">Fact 7. ] [/color]

[color=rgb(170, 170, 170)">The third discovery is that the object broadcasts signals and information on many different spectra. One such pulse, suspected to be similar to a quantum entanglement communicator, reaches into. Another broadcast is infrasound, consistent with frequencies that trigger feelings of awe and fear in , a known factor in Reaper ]. Kenson's laboratory is filled with equipment dedicated to monitoring any signal coming from the artifact in the hopes that some clue will prove the Reapers' undoing before it's too late. "[/color]

Fact 8. You hear whispers in sheps dreams....http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZIKewKW9bb0&feature=related 
....
That add alot more be questioned....
Really, can anyone prove that the ending really happened?

Point 3 and 4 aren't facts.

My main gripe with the Indoctrination theory is that it must hold true to all Shepards. Default doesn't do sidequests, and if I import a Shepard with no sidequests and/or DLC, the only contact Shepard has had with Reaper and/or Reaper artifacts is durin the Derelict Reaper mission.

If you don't have/do Arrival, Hackett sends a team of marines instead. 

Point 7 can't really be considered fact either, when it says "...suspected to be similar..." 

Modifié par HiddenKING, 26 avril 2012 - 04:46 .

[KevShep]

cachx wrote...

 The thing about Indoctrination theory, at least for me, is that is only acceptable if it stays a theory. 

Having an official validation of it would destroy the appeal.

I guess that is why they are being very secret about that they are doing and why they want "speculations From Everyone"

[KevShep]

HiddenKING wrote...


If you don't have/do Arrival, Hackett sends a team of marines instead. 

Thats not true. When you start ME3 your being held for questioning about 300,000 batarians dead. If you didnt do Arrivl then the game "assumes" that you did.
Also he would not send in marines because he said it mite provoke a millitary reaponse from the batarians...thats why he sends only you!

[Darth_Trethon]

KevShep wrote...

cachx wrote...

 The thing about Indoctrination theory, at least for me, is that is only acceptable if it stays a theory. 

Having an official validation of it would destroy the appeal.

I guess that is why they are being very secret about that they are doing and why they want "speculations From Everyone"

Well not really......the IT is only acceptable as a means to erase the current abomination of an ending and allow a new one to be implemented in a completely logical manner but the IT in and of itself does not provide any real ending beyond perhaps the reapers being destroyed and nothing else....that's not an ending  because we still don't know anything about anybody else....that's like the screen going to black and just saying....reapers are dead, the end....wait a minute, where's the real ending if that pile of crap was just a dream? I'd still love to know that pile of crap wasn't real but it would still not provide an ending which is why at the end of the day we still need the EC.

[MAXinsanity409]

The most logical explanation for the ending is that it was all a dream, and then shepard wakes up and tells everyone about the absolutely dumb dream he/she/it/potato had about the fate of the galaxy.

[Darth_Trethon]

ryuasiu wrote...

 This does not mean Idoc is right, and does not meanIT is wrong. I am posting this to show that we all need to relax and not blow up at every small thing that is tweeted and just relax. We are not going to get any defintive answers till the ending comes out.

twitter.com/PatrickWeekes/statuses/195351579942072320

Well at least this gives hope that they are at least trying to address the IT in the EC....either by adopting it or by addressing it in some way as to why not.

[Darth_Trethon]

MAXinsanity409 wrote...

The most logical explanation for the ending is that it was all a dream, and then shepard wakes up and tells everyone about the absolutely dumb dream he/she/it/potato had about the fate of the galaxy.

Pretty much.....whether IT or just plain dream I really don't think they have much of a choice really.

[HiddenKING]

KevShep wrote...

HiddenKING wrote...


If you don't have/do Arrival, Hackett sends a team of marines instead. 

Thats not true. When you start ME3 your being held for questioning about 300,000 batarians dead. If you didnt do Arrivl then the game "assumes" that you did.
Also he would not send in marines because he said it mite provoke a millitary reaponse from the batarians...thats why he sends only you!

If you don't do Arrival, Anderson says 'For the sh!t you've done' or somethin similar. 

You also get this update on the 103rd Marine Division.

Military Strength: -50
Admiral Hackett dispatched marines to the planet Aratoht to rescue a deep cover agent, Dr. Amanda Kenson. The teams were killed in an explosion that wiped out both the colony and the system's relay. The Alliance spent weeks piecing together scattered radio transmissions, learning that the marines felt they had no choice but to send an asteroid into the relay to prevent invasion by the Reapers. While it bought the Alliance some time, the men and women lost on the mission were a severe blow to the 103rd Marine Corps.