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[LelianaHawke]

So the DLC 'reveals' the IT... and then what? Shepard pushes a button and the reapers all die? How anti-climatic.

[Walsh1980]

OdanUrr wrote...

Well, I don't think it's obvious or true, but as long as the endings remain open-ended enough, I'm not going to tell you what to believe. On the other hand, by asking that the EC be IT, you're telling me what I should believe. There are other problems with IT, such as taking away choice from the player and what not, but we'll leave that for another day (or PM me if you like).

Cheers.

This exactly.  The ending is open enough that if you want to believe it was all a dream, go ahead.  But that doesn't make it "obvious" to all of us who just take it as we see it, not like a David Lynch movie.

Modifié par Walsh1980, 26 avril 2012 - 04:57 .

[Makrys]

LelianaHawke wrote...

So the DLC 'reveals' the IT... and then what? Shepard pushes a button and the reapers all die? How anti-climatic.

We don't know. But go ahead and be pessimistic about it.

[LelianaHawke]

I'm not actually pessimistic. I enjoyed the current ending as I thought it left enough room for me to imagine how it all ended. I enjoy that.

But the IT is forcing an ending down my throat.

[liggy002]

   I agree with Makrys and you've got to admit that it is really strange that Harbinger remains silent throughout ME3. Or does he? Think about it. He wouldn't shut up in Mass Effect 2 and he had an obsession over Shepard. The IT makes every bit of sense from that context. The alternative to that explanation is bad writing. Some would argue that Dragon Age 2 was bad writing, but I disagree. The point is that their writing has never been this bad.

Modifié par liggy002, 26 avril 2012 - 05:01 .

[Clayless]

zambot wrote...

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

zambot wrote...

Let's look at some of the greatest ambiguous endings in modern story telling
- Blade Runner (was he a replicant?)
- Inception (is he still dreaming?)
- The Graduate (ok, now what?)

I'd include The Thing in there too.

The Thing is definitely cool, but I admit, I have not watched it enough to understand the director's intent with the ending.

Good point, either have I.

[leeboi2]

I forgot that EA wrote the game...

[LelianaHawke]

liggy002 wrote...

   I agree with Makrys and you've got to
admit that it is really strange that Harbinger remains silent
throughout ME3. Or does he? Think about it. He wouldn't shut up in Mass
Effect 2 and he had an obsession over Shepard. The IT makes every bit of
sense from that context.

But Harbinger wouldn't take such a gamble.

The post-destroy cutscenes show all the reapers dying. So you're saying that harbinger takes a shot at killing Shepard that has a 33% chance of failing and him dying?

That's like the stupidest villain cliche around - overly elaborate and easily escapable deathtrap.

Scott Evil: "I've got a gun in my room. Why don't I just shoot him?"

Modifié par LelianaHawke, 26 avril 2012 - 05:04 .

[liggy002]

Makrys wrote...

LelianaHawke wrote...

So the DLC 'reveals' the IT... and then what? Shepard pushes a button and the reapers all die? How anti-climatic.

We don't know. But go ahead and be pessimistic about it.

Even if that was true and we did push a button in the expansion, it wouldn't be different from what we've already got.  We shot a pipe and all of the Reapers died.  The difference is that with the IT the ending would actually makes sense.  I don't see how that's a bad thing.

[Makrys]

Leliana, you should read my thread.

[liggy002]

LelianaHawke wrote...

liggy002 wrote...

   I agree with Makrys and you've got to
admit that it is really strange that Harbinger remains silent
throughout ME3. Or does he? Think about it. He wouldn't shut up in Mass
Effect 2 and he had an obsession over Shepard. The IT makes every bit of
sense from that context.

But Harbinger wouldn't take such a gamble.

The post-destroy cutscenes show all the reapers dying. So you're saying that harbinger takes a shot at killing Shepard that has a 33% chance of failing and him dying?

That's like the stupidest villain cliche around - overly elaborate and easily escapable deathtrap.

Scott Evil: "I've got a gun in my room. Why don't I just shoot him?"

According to the IT, choosing destroy does not result in the destruction of the Reapers.  Judging by what Harbinger did to Shepard with his laser, I don't think he's too worried about Shepard waking up and bringing the fight to him.  Of course, he would prefer to control him but " If I must Shepard, I will tear you apart."

[XxDarkTimexX]

people who don't believe in the IT theory don't know how to analyze the story about mass effect 3 or they are just to lazy to think at all but i no there are some things that don't make sense but isn't that the point of the ending at least the the IT theory gives the fans a better ending story about shepard than the whole gears of war 3 ending. *oh look a button *shepard presses the button* oh look the reapers are died wow now that was a better ending to war* i think not that is a lame ass way to end a war against the reapers it should be more epic and original than want most people have come up with in the first place. take for example how LOTR ended, matrix ended, star wars, star trek ended, etc

[DTKT]

I love how the IT disregards everything outside the game. It disregards the "Final Hours" app, Patrick Weekes post about the endings, the leaked scripts and everything that was datamined.

It's just getting silly.

[dweller]

not everyone likes the indoctrination theory, stop assuming that please.

I for one believe it's stupid and sucks as much as the current endings.

[LelianaHawke]

liggy002 wrote...
According to the IT, choosing destroy does not result in the destruction of the Reapers.  Judging by what Harbinger did to Shepard with his laser, I don't think he's too worried about Shepard waking up and bringing the fight to him.  Of course, he would prefer to control him but " If I must Shepard, I will tear you apart."

The problem with that is the end cutscenes show the reapers dying and aren't from Shepard's point of view. The moment you make your final decision on the Citadel, the narrative changes to a third person overview.

Those cutscenes are not done in a dream state, and have to be accepted at face value.

[Makrys]

DTKT wrote...

I love how the IT disregards everything outside the game. It disregards the "Final Hours" app, Patrick Weekes post about the endings, the leaked scripts and everything that was datamined.

It's just getting silly.

Please enlighten us, oh enkindler. The Final Hours app actually had proof if IT in it! So wth are you talking about? And Patrick Weekes? All of the writers have never denied the IT. They've always skirted around talking about it. It is very possibly that Bioware held back the ending so that the scripts wouldn't get leaked again. And then once everyone had played the game and speculated, they give us they ending they intended, which I believe is to prove the IT.

[eddieoctane]

IamBlue wrote...

Because then they would have sold us a game without an end, instead of one with a bad ending...

And? Capcom did it, yet you hear much more about Mass Effect 3 than Asura's Wrath.

Inocmplete game>crappy one. The former can always be fixed with an addon. The later means the development team failed, as artists or whatever they want to call themselves. And yes, it is totally posible to fail at art.

[liggy002]

DTKT wrote...

I love how the IT disregards everything outside the game. It disregards the "Final Hours" app, Patrick Weekes post about the endings, the leaked scripts and everything that was datamined.

It's just getting silly.

   Patrick Weekes also wouldn't comment on why Harbinger had such a small role in ME3 when I asked him.  He specifically told me that he can't give me any information on that.  It's funny that the IT is linked to Harbinger and at the same time they are being silent about the IT as well.

Modifié par liggy002, 26 avril 2012 - 05:10 .

[zambot]

Makrys wrote...

LelianaHawke wrote...

So the DLC 'reveals' the IT... and then what? Shepard pushes a button and the reapers all die? How anti-climatic.

We don't know. But go ahead and be pessimistic about it.

Either way, the "ending" wouldn't be IT.  The ending in this case would be Shepard pressing a button.

[XxDarkTimexX]

i believe that the IT theory can be more than just a button push then reapers die. i can come up with a least 20 different endings to the reaper war than a button pressed

[LelianaHawke]

But they all have to account for the existing cutscenes of what happens, all of which involve a big energy pulse from the Crucible. You can't just... overwrite parts of the game to prove a theory.

[Nauks]

LelianaHawke wrote...

So the DLC 'reveals' the IT... and then what? Shepard pushes a button and the reapers all die? How anti-climatic.

Based on what exactly? how they'd present it to us (and possibly expand on it) is an unknown.

LelianaHawke wrote...

But they all have to account for the existing cutscenes of what happens, all of which involve a big energy pulse from the Crucible. You can't just... overwrite parts of the game to prove a theory.

Nothing needs to be removed (or added) for the I.T. to work.
What it needs is a post-game DLC, to not have the game end on a cliffhanger.

Modifié par Nauks, 26 avril 2012 - 05:18 .

[DTKT]

Makrys wrote...

DTKT wrote...

I love how the IT disregards everything outside the game. It disregards the "Final Hours" app, Patrick Weekes post about the endings, the leaked scripts and everything that was datamined.

It's just getting silly.

Please enlighten us, oh enkindler. The Final Hours app actually had proof if IT in it! So wth are you talking about? And Patrick Weekes? All of the writers have never denied the IT. They've always skirted around talking about it. It is very possibly that Bioware held back the ending so that the scripts wouldn't get leaked again. And then once everyone had played the game and speculated, they give us they ending they intended, which I believe is to prove the IT.

If by "proof", you mean the fact they actually considered the IT but dropped it due to control issues? That's your proof?! And have you read the post by Weekes? I can't see how you would think he "skirted" around the issue.

And to think that anyone would seriously consider the idea that they "witheld" the ending? To create speculation? 

[liggy002]

LelianaHawke wrote...

liggy002 wrote...
According to the IT, choosing destroy does not result in the destruction of the Reapers.  Judging by what Harbinger did to Shepard with his laser, I don't think he's too worried about Shepard waking up and bringing the fight to him.  Of course, he would prefer to control him but " If I must Shepard, I will tear you apart."

The problem with that is the end cutscenes show the reapers dying and aren't from Shepard's point of view. The moment you make your final decision on the Citadel, the narrative changes to a third person overview.

Those cutscenes are not done in a dream state, and have to be accepted at face value.

It is also believed that Bioware indoctrinated the players.  If they didn't show any cutscenes after Shepard's choices, would you find that suspect?  You would know something was off.  The best way to trick the players is to give them plenty of room for doubt.  You could do that by playing an end sequence that is not from Shepard's point of view.

[ahandsomeshark]

Bioware isn't a subsidiary they're a division. A subsidiary is a separate legal entity, Bioware is wholly owned by EA. Bioware is an arm of EA operating under a different name.