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[aedsu]

Yeah, beating a dead horse here but if they were going to kill Thane regardless, then Jacob's ridiculous baby thing was just overkill. I know he wasn't a 'popular' choice but you don't just take a crap on a character just because he's unpopular with one side of the fandom doesn't mean that he's 100% disliked. That was just insulting.

And on the subject of other LI choices that coulda woulda shoulda-been, James would be at the top.
Although if I had to look back and answer honestly I'm shocked very few people acknowledge Joker as a potential interest and have to wonder if that's strictly because of the whole EDI thing? Because that's not set in stone, and he's one of the few characters who has been around for all three games, tons of history, but he's left out. Probably just tooting my own horn here, huge Joker fan, would have liked to see some interaction with him in ME3 that DIDN'T revolve around EDI or involve having to talk to him THROUGH EDI.
Kinda felt like his role was reversed since ME2, damn shame too. :/ Even if he isn't a squadmate he's a helluva lot more fun to be around than most.

I forget there are some older players and Bailey is a total BAMF so if I played an olderish shepard I'd def wine and dine that man. It'd be awkward but...I love his inflection. Just the way he talks is disconcerting to the way his model moves in game, in an awkward but hilarious sort of way. Talking to him is always great fun.

But yeah I'd ask for Joker as a LI before I considered Adams. The dude is alright but, if we're going for a bond on an emotional level Joker would be the first choice, then James. They could even fill in for us the 6 months Shepard was in the detention center.

[DineBoo]

I could only see his death being okay if you didn't romance him and he was unloyal. Romance should have had plot armor or him dying way later in the game, like after Thessia. If you had him loyal, he could have been harder to save, but still have the option to save him like how they did it with Miranda.

It also shows how Me3 back slid in choices. Thane was designed for female players. So why do this to the character?

[Julia_xo]

If Thane's death was bittersweet then where was the sweet supposed to be? It was just bitter from what I saw.

They tossed out his characterization in order to define him by his illness. He's wasn't Thane. He was Kepral's syndrome. That's all they had him talk about. That and his death.

The fight with Kai Leng is stupid and unnecessary. Shepard stands there like a statue watching Thane do all the work despite his breathing problems. Even when Kai Leng is sprawled on the ground no one does anything to help. And to finish it off, Thane runs directly to impale himself onto Kai Leng's sword despite having a gun. There is no logic to that damn scene. It's there to be flashy but it requires all characters involved to act like fools.

Thane gets left alone bleeding out against a wall, then goes through surgery only to die in a hospital bed. The exact place he didn't want to die. And through it all Shepard acts like a damn stone statue. No emotions. No declaration of feelings (if romanced), It was just flat, hollow and horrible. A throw away scene for what in ME3 was a throw away character.

For a LI death BioWare put actual effort into watch Miranda's (keep in mind it is optional, unlike Thane's):

[mireisen]

Is there really any difference to the death scene between Thane and a romanced/unromanced FemShep?

Because I was pretty disappointed. A romanced FemShep seemed so impersonal and I was hoping she'd at least choke up a little and then break into a muffled sob.

Tears, man, I want tears!

[SleepIncarnate]

The sweet was in his feelings for Shepard, romanced or not. I'm not arguing that his romance was messed up in this game, but his death was done well (though the aftermath was lacking). Yes, they could have done more, no one's arguing that. And this isn't the thread for bringing in your fan favorites and how you feel they got screwed over. No one's denying that they could have done better with ALL of the ME2 characters that aren't Garrus or Tali. The point here is that they gave him an unavoidable death AND had Jacob knock up Brynn, taking away 2/3 of FemShep's ME2 romance options from continuing. And making Kaidan once again bi but not doing the same for Ashley and Tali (as originally planned) just creates an even greater gap in the inequality between the two. And the quality of what we did get was severely lacking in comparison.

[aedsu]

mireisen wrote...

Is there really any difference to the death scene between Thane and a romanced/unromanced FemShep?

Because I was pretty disappointed. A romanced FemShep seemed so impersonal and I was hoping she'd at least choke up a little and then break into a muffled sob.

Tears, man, I want tears!

Yeah there was a small one, I think it was in the dialogue? I mean obviously it would be but I think there was an extra line in there.

[SleepIncarnate]

mireisen wrote...

Is there really any difference to the death scene between Thane and a romanced/unromanced FemShep?

Because I was pretty disappointed. A romanced FemShep seemed so impersonal and I was hoping she'd at least choke up a little and then break into a muffled sob.

Tears, man, I want tears!

There are a few different lines before his prayer, but that's about it.  Compare:

Romanced:
Not:

Not a major difference.  Like Julia and others who are all about Thane have been saying, he got screwed over in this game, with only one conversation before that mission, a few lines of dialog during it, and then this.  Jacob didn't, but he abandons Shep, even if romanced.  Garrus won't romance if he wasn't romanced before.  Kaidan may be dead. Traynor's romance isn't, it's more a bad porno.  Allers and Kelly have even less substance.  All in all, FemShep got hosed.  Yeah, Jack and Miranda's romances aren't that great either, but they at least have a chance to survive and continue the romance.

[DineBoo]

And even with Thane's one conversation, it became all about the VS. I didn't romance the guy, but WTF? Maybe I wanted to talk to Thane about his son and others things.

Yeah, Jack and Miranda's romances aren't that great either, but they at least have a chance to survive and continue the romance.

This is the sticking point right here. Most of the ME2 romances got hosed, but they didn't take away any of maleSheps, and they gave out the paramour achievement too.

[syllogi]

Maybe David Silverman knew that FemShep fans were about to be hosed, and that's why he gave us the trailer. The guy gets so much flack, but perhaps he was the Marauder Shields of Marketing...

[SleepIncarnate]

DineBoo wrote...

And even with Thane's one conversation, it became all about the VS. I didn't romance the guy, but WTF? Maybe I wanted to talk to Thane about his son and others things.

This is exactly it.  When I had his conversation, I was going "what about Kolyat? I wanna hear how you're doing with him!" and then they just threw out the one line in his goodbye.  Heck, I think even jacob got more overall lines in this game, and gets to survive, despite how many people disliked him.  I found him ok, but not in romance.  His romance got creepy to me, because of his slasher smile.

[TheKrin]

I just figured this out today when I started wondering why I couldn't romance Garrus.  Well it's because I went with Jacob who isn't an option this time around.  I killed off Kaiden in the first game and now I either have to be single or gay.  Nothing against gay/bi people, I'm just not one of them.  Also I rather be single than be with Vega if that becomes an option.  Just not interested in him.  Forever alone, Mass Effect 3 Style.

[mireisen]

If Kaidan were to be bi they should at least allow a non-asari to be bi too (not Kelly I mean). I'd pick Tali.

[SleepIncarnate]

mireisen wrote...

If Kaidan were to be bi they should at least allow a non-asari to be bi too (not Kelly I mean). I'd pick Tali.

Allers is too, but it's safe to say, no one thinks she counts.

[aedsu]

syllogi wrote...

Maybe David Silverman knew that FemShep fans were about to be hosed, and that's why he gave us the trailer. The guy gets so much flack, but perhaps he was the Marauder Shields of Marketing...

That's....an incredibly disturbing point of view but. :/ At this point I can see the 'maybe' in just about anything. 

[fle6isnow]

Yes, as one poster so eloquently said, FemSheps get the shaft in this game...or the lack thereof. I am disappoint.

[Twilight_Princess]

fle6isnow wrote...

Yes, as one poster so eloquently said, FemSheps get the shaft in this game...or the lack thereof. I am disappoint.

ME3 needed more penis. There was no shortage of that in ME2 .But in ME3? You literally had to import the stuff ...like an illegal substance.

[Thrazesul]

Bioware's treatment of Femshep and female players is disgusting in my opinion. A few years ago, I saw Bioware as a company that thought of female players and tried to make them happy by doing several good things. And I loved it, at least they cared!

Now I'm just sad to see them forget or just stop caring about us. Sad and disappointed. The poor endings and Thane and Jacob's treatment is just a few factors as to why I'll be hard pushed to bother with Bioware again. Shame they won't care about it.

They release a Femshep trailer, give her an offical look only to do this. Same with giving Thanemancers false hope of lung medigel and all that only to give us what they did.

They sure like to hang the bait in front of us, let us take it and then rip it straight out of our hands and toss us back into the bottom of the lake.

[JamesS.]

They definitely wont care cause if you look at me2, the straight males got 1 alien and 2 human females to romance, one of them is utterly gorgeous with her long beautiful hair they still won't give fem shep (miranda) but the straight female players got 1 human and he was no real prize (sorry Jacob) and 2 aliens, why couldn't we get 2 humans as well? I am not into aliens. Then there is me3, don't get me wrong I love Kaidan and had they not brought him back I would have not played me3 but again the straight females again only get 1 human while the straight males get 3? And its not exactly like liara doesn't have a pretty face and doesn't look human with her perfect breasts and all.....

Modifié par Enigma1322, 28 avril 2012 - 06:07 .

[kevchy]

You know what Bioware should have done?

If you romanced Thane, he lives. Otherwise, he dies. Just like they did with Cortez.

[Ageless Face]

it's not just femshep. Look what Bioware has done to Ashley. From a tough soldier they turned her to a new Miranda. Like they completely lost respect for women. it's really odd that they've done such things, With Bioware being so open minded.

[Nightdragon8]

Honestly I saw Jacobs romance and you know it always felt more like a Fling than a full blown romance. I dont think he likes woman who are stronger than him. Doesn't mind smarter, just not stronger... why else do you think he said something like "She deserves someone better than me", about Miranda

[SleepIncarnate]

HagarIshay wrote...

it's not just femshep. Look what Bioware has done to Ashley. From a tough soldier they turned her to a new Miranda. Like they completely lost respect for women. it's really odd that they've done such things, With Bioware being so open minded.

Ashley... really hasn't changed that much.  I know people think she's grown as a character and is less of a racist, but really, she's not.  Look at her comments regarding the geth as just one example.  Yes, I understand the heretics killed her entire unit on Eden Prime, but it's an example.  It's her whole "send your dog in and save yourself" thing from the first game all over again, she puts humans above other species, organic or synthetic.  And she's barely a part of the crew once you do get her back (though I suspect the same can be said for Kaidan).  I mean, KEI-9 is about as much a member of the crew as Ashley is outside of taking her into missions (which I honestly never have after her required missions, Garrus can do everything she can but better).  BioWare dropped the ball on a lot of things with this game in regards to equality, sexism, etc. but I don't think Ashley is an example really.

[SleepIncarnate]

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Modifié par SleepIncarnate, 02 mai 2012 - 02:16 .

[SleepIncarnate]

Enigma1322 wrote...

They definitely wont care cause if you look at me2, the straight males got 1 alien and 2 human females to romance, one of them is utterly gorgeous with her long beautiful hair they still won't give fem shep (miranda) but the straight female players got 1 human and he was no real prize (sorry Jacob) and 2 aliens, why couldn't we get 2 humans as well? I am not into aliens. Then there is me3, don't get me wrong I love Kaidan and had they not brought him back I would have not played me3 but again the straight females again only get 1 human while the straight males get 3? And its not exactly like liara doesn't have a pretty face and doesn't look human with her perfect breasts and all.....

Yeah, there's always been that bit of inequality, depending on how you look at it.  In ME1, each had 2 relationship choices, one human and one alien, but ManShep had 2 straight options and FemShep had 1 straight 1 s/s.  Either not fair to straight women (who only have one choice to straight men's two), gay men (who have no choices), or lesbians (who again have 1 to 2).  In ME2, they each had 4 choices if you include Kelly.  ManShep, as you said, has one alien and the rest are human, and again, all straight options.  FemShep has 2 alien 2 human, but 3 straight and1 s/s option.  So again, gay men get completely hosed, and women that aren't bi/pansexual have fewer options than straight men, but now also having fewer human options.  

And now in ME3, it goes to the far end of the spectrum, ManShep has up to 9(!) choices (though only at most 6 in any playthrough) available, a minimum of 4 (Liara, Allers, Cortez, VS) options if you just killed off or romanced no one, not even Kelly, in ME2.  2 of his options are s/s and the other 7 (though could be about 3-5 depending on VS and romance in ME2) are straight, two of which are alien (Liara and Tali).  FemShep has only 6 total, which is also her max (assuming Garrus and Kelly both romanced in ME2 and Kaidan is VS), with a minimum of 3 choices (Liara, Allers, Traynor).  Only 2 choices are straight, the other 4 are s/s, and as mentioned above, it can be impossible for FemShep to have a straight relationship if Ashley is the VS and Garrus was not romanced in ME2.  Again, we have equality in amount of aliens romancable (Garrus and Liara), but... yeah. 

And yes, I like Liara, she's my romance on my primary character (Adept) and I remained loyal to her, but with the exception of my soldier, all of my other characters are female.  I only want one each of them to romance Kaidan (engineer) and Garrus (Infiltrator), but that leaves my Sentinel and Vanguard either single through the games, breaking off a relationship between games, and/or required to be lesbian in ME3 simply because I want each character to be different.  A guy can play a male of each class, and each character romance a different woman and have no crossover, a woman... not so much.

[shepskisaac]

SleepIncarnate wrote...

And she's barely a part of the crew once you do get her back (though I suspect the same can be said for Kaidan).

Not really, Kaidan chats with Liara, EDI, goes down to talk to Adams, plays poker with Vega,