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[SleepIncarnate]

IsaacShep wrote...

SleepIncarnate wrote...

And she's barely a part of the crew once you do get her back (though I suspect the same can be said for Kaidan).

Not really, Kaidan chats with Liara, EDI, goes down to talk to Adams, plays poker with Vega,

Are these events we actually see him do?  Or are they just background events that occur out of sight, like Ash going drinking with Vega, or chatting with Liara after Thessia?

[AlexWk31]

SleepIncarnate wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

SleepIncarnate wrote...

And she's barely a part of the crew once you do get her back (though I suspect the same can be said for Kaidan).

Not really, Kaidan chats with Liara, EDI, goes down to talk to Adams, plays poker with Vega,

Are these events we actually see him do?  Or are they just background events that occur out of sight, like Ash going drinking with Vega, or chatting with Liara after Thessia?

[SerTabris]

Lucky Thirteen wrote...

1. Vega should have been a romance. With the way he flirts, it's so bizarre that femShep can't pursue it. On the flip side, it's weird that she can't stop it. It's sexual harassment if you're not interested, the Normandy is a military ship and she's the commanding officer. She should be able to kick his ass over it. Basically, if he's not a romance option, he shouldn't be making comments on how well she fills out a uniform. Wtf? When has that ever been okay to casually happen in the military?

I agree with this. You should be able to flirt with him and have it go somewhere, and you should be able to tell him to stop. When I went though the game (as female Shepard with Liara), I wouldn't even let Vega do his nickname thing (which makes a lot of his other conversations kind of awkward-sounding, perhaps intentionally) and there's still some in the tattoo scene, even reciprocated in auto-dialogue. It really strikes me as a sort of weird compromise that's worse than either of the things it's compromising between.

Come to think of it, the way he said "...Shepard" later on kind of made me feel a little bad. I wanted a middle option of 'it's alright, but don't read anything else into it.'

[Dessalines]

Eventhough this was mention before on the Thane and other Femshep boards, you are correct.
This is one of the few complaints that is backed with facts, and it is just weird. Again it comes down to why no one question this during the "Narrative Review Process". Seriously, it is silly. Lol, it is like they said well we let FemShep on the Box, but we are taking all of her LIs. That will teach them. (I AM JOKING, PLEASE DO NOT START A CONSPIRACY ABOUT THAT)
1) Why does Jacob have to leave? That is a bit sterotypical to state that a black male can't stick around.
2)Vega or even Joker or Javik could have been romance options. (I only mention Javik, because on his fan page people seem to want that. Go figure)
All Mass Effect 2 romances were done badly, but heterosexual FemShep got the worse of it. You couldn't even start a new romance with Garrus. Like I said I agree with this post; eventhough, I never played a heterosexual FemShep

[SleepIncarnate]

lxwkl21 wrote...

SleepIncarnate wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

SleepIncarnate wrote...

And she's barely a part of the crew once you do get her back (though I suspect the same can be said for Kaidan).

Not really, Kaidan chats with Liara, EDI, goes down to talk to Adams, plays poker with Vega,

Are these events we actually see him do?  Or are they just background events that occur out of sight, like Ash going drinking with Vega, or chatting with Liara after Thessia?

Kaidan: Totally took down a reaper...
Shepard:  Yyyyuuuup...sure did
Vega: Yes you did
Shepard: Hell yeah... Just a few more and we're done

Ok, Kaidan is going to be my VS in all games other than my soldier romancing Ashley and my Adept who is just about done anyway (I'm in the final stretch on Earth with her).  I still need my second play through for Infiltrator, Vanguard, and Sentinel in ME1 anyway, and the Engineer is romancing Kaidan, so yeah.

[Lucky Thirteen]

[quote]Enigma1322 wrote...

They definitely wont care cause if you look at me2, the straight males got 1 alien and 2 human females to romance, one of them is utterly gorgeous with her long beautiful hair they still won't give fem shep (miranda) but the straight female players got 1 human and he was no real prize (sorry Jacob) and 2 aliens, why couldn't we get 2 humans as well? I am not into aliens.[/quote]
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I have to disagree with this because Thane and Garrus did make things more equal and I think a lot of fans are missing just because they don't like what is available. (Also, this kind of talk I think is part of the reason Thane got swept under the rug, but that's another issue entirely)

Thane was an alien created after fans complained about all the asari being made for the male audience and there was no sexy male aliens for the female audience. Garrus was made a romance because the fans demanded it.

To sit there and say Bioware wasn't thinking of the female fans when they made the ME2 romances is wrong. They only had room for one human. The only way I think they could have added another human is make Joker available, otherwise I know a small few who would have enjoyed Zaeed, but then the romance options would be unequal because the female side of things would have more choices and the guys would throw a fit. Though maybe it's about time that happened anyways.

ME3 is where Bioware forgot about the female fan base almost completely.

[JamesS.]

Lucky Thirteen wrote...

Enigma1322 wrote...

They definitely wont care cause if you look at me2, the straight males got 1 alien and 2 human females to romance, one of them is utterly gorgeous with her long beautiful hair they still won't give fem shep (miranda) but the straight female players got 1 human and he was no real prize (sorry Jacob) and 2 aliens, why couldn't we get 2 humans as well? I am not into aliens.

I have to disagree with this because Thane and Garrus did make things more equal and I think a lot of fans are missing just because they don't like what is available. (Also, this kind of talk I think is part of the reason Thane got swept under the rug, but that's another issue entirely)

Thane was an alien created after fans complained about all the asari being made for the male audience and there was no sexy male aliens for the female audience. Garrus was made a romance because the fans demanded it.

To sit there and say Bioware wasn't thinking of the female fans when they made the ME2 romances is wrong. They only had room for one human. The only way I think they could have added another human is make Joker available, otherwise I know a small few who would have enjoyed Zaeed, but then the romance options would be unequal because the female side of things would have more choices and the guys would throw a fit. Though maybe it's about time that happened anyways.

ME3 is where Bioware forgot about the female fan base almost completely.

Then we have to agree to disagree :-) I think that they could at least have made Jacob 's character a bit more likable and not make shep sound like she was forcing him to like her... I am happy that I at least got the option to tell him that I was with someone else too in me3.

Edit: Sorry I didn't mean to offend any Jacob fans, not everyone likes Kaidan as I do either.

Modifié par Enigma1322, 03 mai 2012 - 06:56 .

[Hadeedak]

I try so hard to like Jacob. I liked him on a renegade playthrough a lot more. Moral compass guys are fun. But argh. I think he suffers from 'interchangeable generic male protagonist syndrome' without BEING the protagonist in this game. Alternatively, he's pitted against 'your best friend' Garrus and 'excuse me, but I'm pretty much made to be the hottest thing on two legs' Thane... And being a good girl for Kaidan. It's not a great place.

[Whale]

Lucky Thirteen wrote...

Thane was an alien created after fans complained about all the asari being made for the male audience and there was no sexy male aliens for the female audience. Garrus was made a romance because the fans demanded it.

-snip-

ME3 is where Bioware forgot about the female fan base almost completely.

Gotta agree with you there - as much as I liked him, Thane was pretty blatant xenophilic fanservice, what with the deep voice and carefully lingering flashback cinematics and arc of redemption and literally mind-blowing bodily secretions.. Which makes it even more baffling the the Thane romance was entirely forgotten in ME3 (the poor guy seemed to be erased from everyone's memory altogether - oh he died?) while everyone seems to make a huge deal of some Alliance bloke with a pompadour who hasn't had a good word for you in 3 years. Conversely, the Garrus romance had a hint of lolwut?, you fangirls actually want to shag the raptorbird? in ME2, while I'd say it's done really well in ME3. I have no comment on poor Jacob, who ends up looking like his place was always to be a second-rate security guard (then again, he *did* have the worst tactical advice on the Normandy, significantly worse than the Space Hamster's). I'm just grateful none of my femSheps ever liked him.

On the other hand I actually don't really want everyone to be available as a LI. Throughout a few replays, I got turned down by Jack, Samara, Joker, Vega (well that was autodialog I guess) and Mordin (that was the best). Still can get rejected by Cortez, Traynor and Ash I think. I actually appreciated most of these (although Joker's excuse of respecting chain-of-command is weakened in comparison to someone's humongous mechamelons) and the fact that not everyone is ready to drop their pants for Commander Shepard, plus it gives me more connection to my Shep I guess

[JamesS.]

@Lucky

It's not just that I didn't like what was available in me2 and maybe bioware did make the romances as fans wanted but I still think some things were unfair. Not to make this about not liking Liara (I do like liara) but the fact that she was there so that shep could rekindle his love with her and Kaidan wasn't, brought the male shep one more romance to me2 which the straight females didn't get.

[Nenya Higurashi]

I'm not a romance-player and Garrus's romance was enough for me, to be honest... still I can't say I appreciate how Fem!Shep's been treated. But, hey, even fem!Shep can romance Allers, isn't that enough? *insert sigh*
I 'Virmired' Kaidan (And I still regret it because in ME3 I can't really stand Ashley), With 3.9/4 of my Shepards I never romanced Garrus in Me3 so now... wow, I can choose between a female harem. It's not like I'm going to complain, I'd probably love to try to romance a woman with one of my shep but... Samara, the only female interest I have is almost forgotten in Me3, like all ME2 interests...

Oh, and I feel so bad for Jacobmancer, all three of them, who had their love interest turned in.. well, a jerk. And I wish I could have a renegde interrupt to slap him, it'd be interesting then romancing him in ME2 just to do it...

Thane... I never really loved him, unlike Garrus, But... yeah... how his 'romance' ends in Me3... it really sucks. It's like Bioware's canonically suggesting 'meh, fem!Shep is lesbian'. Or, eventually "Hey, look, Liara's your LI" which I can't really stand.
Anyway, I vote for a Krogan romance as ME3 DLC.

About asexual romances... they've been mentioned before and I'd like to remember we had a asexual romance, at least in Dragon Age II (And, as asexual in real life, I really enjoyed Sebastian Vael)... they just don't work, sadly, because 99% of the fandom actually enjoys.... you know, sex scenes. I'd LOVE to have at least an asexual romance avaiable in ME3 but, meh...

[SleepIncarnate]

Nenya Higurashi wrote...
Anyway, I vote for a Krogan romance as ME3 DLC.

This.  Gimme Wrexmancing! or maybe Grunt.  As for asexuality, supposedly Salarians are asexual, mating only for breeding, but they're also aromantic.  Kinda kills the option, though I know there's lots of players (of both sexes) who want Mordin, either physically or romantically.  No one complains about his death ("because it's avoidable"... by killing of Wrex, another fan favorite, and Eve/Bakara) like they do about Thane, but yeah... Mordinmancers, Wrexmancers, Jokermancers, let's get some Hanarmancing going on too.

[JamesS.]

I am just a bit worried cause I saw in another thread that Patrick Weeks had tweeted something about not making Li dlc for me1 squadmates but making some for the me2 ones and thats okay but knowing Bioware favors male players, I am afraid that they will only concentrate on Miranda, Jack and Samara since Thane and Jacob aren't considered real Li's in me3.

Modifié par Enigma1322, 04 mai 2012 - 01:20 .