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What are you implying Bioware? (Synthesize this!)


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 A user posed a question to Michael Gamble last night and I was struck at how bizzare and vague the answer was.

Synthesis is even worse than Control... What if some people would rather choose death than be a half-machine?


but the idea is there is no concept of machine or organic anymore. There is only life.


I literally made this face.

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I was awe struck. I then proceeded to laugh so hard I had to get up and leave my computer. This is clearly Mr. Gamble's opinion but given Bioware's inherent favor towards Synthesis it only made me question the rationale behind the very idea behind the concept they created. This is a failure in artistry. The artist must ALWAYS have the ability to be asked questions and Bioware didn't think we would have any. Well......

What Synthesis essentially proposes to me is a bastardized Utopia. One created by forcibly removing the things that make the species unique, their diversity. One person was given this choice.......ONE. No one asked the humans, the asari, the krogan, the geth about what THEY wanted. We are given topical information by a Star Child who proposes this is the only solution to this problem. Shepard has no option to even discuss anything. Are you serious Bioware? By removing the undesirable elements we can achieve peace? Do you understand the political undertones in this? 


At what point in development was it deemed the best solution to rewrite the way the universe has functioned for billions and billions of years?

At what point was it deemed ethical for one person to decide what was best for the universe? To play god?

How do you merge synthetic and organics?

How do they reproduce now? Are the usual elements no longer favorable? Are sperm and eggs obsolete?

Why is Joker still limping? His condition doesn't seem to have benefitted by being turned into something else.

Plants are now shown sentient now too. Can I no longer eat vegetables? Fruit?


Do I have to eat? Sleep?

To what extreme is the synthesis? Do I still have free will?

To what degree are the original synthetics affected? Do they grow hair and real feelings? Skin?


Joker's hat is green as well. Are synthetic fibers affected as well? Can I no longer wear certain types of pants because they might find me in them obejctionable?



When I attend the Cannes film festival I expect a good degree of discussion because the films are so cerebral. But I know the director has a problem when the narrative is literally torn apart to get answers. This isn't speculation. It's an abject failure without any sort of information............


I'm reminded of an image from The Wall. The goosestepping hammers marching towards a "goal" at any cost.

"HAMMER! HAMMER!"

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Modifié par Taboo-XX, 26 avril 2012 - 05:39 .


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richard_rider

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Yup, that pretty much covers it, plus you know, synthesis creates husks...it's a win/win for the reapers

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It doesn't even make sense. It's like they didn't expect me to read into it. Are you serious Bioware?

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I really don't think they thought through a-lot of the ending....... at all.

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zarnk567 wrote...

I really don't think they thought through a-lot of the ending....... at all.


My and many others years of education apparently meant nothing.

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besides there a perfect situation in the universe there always imperfections ....

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It's so awful it's not even funny. It's like Showgirls. No one takes it seriously.

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Wow eating a salad would make you a serial killer

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Taboo-XX wrote...

It doesn't even make sense. It's like they didn't expect me to read into it. Are you serious Bioware?

 

The evidence that is present states that yes they are very serious,  of course my issue with Synthesis  does not even go as deep as the problematic implications.. My issue is that it solves...nothing. 

Yet they cut the Geth Prime talking about fighting  along side shepard and The Geth helping to rebuild and co-exist.    

The endings all of them just make me do this ...

Le sigh 

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It's hard to even take it seriously, much less try to rationalize or understand it.

Your questions presume that it isn't utter nonsense, but from everything we've seen in the trilogy, it really is.

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It's a joke. I cannot fathom the implications. The horror. Who the hell thought this was a good idea?

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Mr. Gamble seems to find it a confusing concept that we already considered synthetics as equally valid forms of life. The organic and synthetic lifeform dichotomy is entirely fabricated, and the solution proposed is atrociously immoral. Why must organics and synthetics be merged into one? They're already life, and they each have a place in the cosmos. Synthesis takes away their future and everything they could become through the natural progession of a sentient culture.

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ComfortablyNumb

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BW is repeating mistake many others made before them - they assumed we (the fans) are idiots.

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Reidbynature

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Good post. The 'there is only life' reply is just utter balls. It's a ludicrous and barely coherent empty statement.

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Even superficially Control and Synthesis make no sense. Look deeper, and the absurdity grows. It's like a kaleidoscope of absurdity.

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I'm still in awe over the comment. They must not understand what's going on either.

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BouncyCaitian

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They are going the Transhumanism route it looks like to me.

http://en.wikipedia....i/Transhumanism

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I think the issue is Casey Hudson and the lead writer made a decision without the consent of anyone else, and now Bioware has to defend it. People who aren't Casey Hudson or the lead writer have a hard time doing that. So all defenses of the ending aren't so much as heart felt as they are PR BS to try to do the least damage and commit the least as possible.

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Awesome post,I would love a BW answer :)

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nuculerman wrote...

I think the issue is Casey Hudson and the lead writer made a decision without the consent of anyone else, and now Bioware has to defend it. People who aren't Casey Hudson or the lead writer have a hard time doing that. So all defenses of the ending aren't so much as heart felt as they are PR BS to try to do the least damage and commit the least as possible.


Hubris is a great crime the artist can commit. One of the worst actually especially when it insults the audience. The only one who looks foolish is the artist himself.

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I was really disappointed that they had the synthesis option, and especially the fact that it is the "hard to get" option. I don't see how it fits with the series. It just seems like something someone decided was a cool idea so they rammed it into the end of the game whether it fit or not.

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How does Bioware not understand that the diversity between each species is a big part of what makes them all so fascinating? We spent three games exploring and discovering the intricacies of each race, organic and synthetic; we were offered hopes of a future in which synthetics and organics could live in peace AS THEY ARE, without any genetic synthesis!

There was never any problem with there being two different forms of life, Mr. Gamble; we loved them for what they were! And there was no reason to believe that peaceful co-existence between the two wasn't possible! There's no need to merge them!

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Its completely without logic and completely wrong....First of all, sythetics are far from natural creatures, meaning the creation of...? new circuitry (as opposed to the nervous system) more computerization (as opposed to the brain?).

I guess I don't get it, organics and synthetics are already similar, the only thing that is really different would be the type of fuel each one uses, as well as the basic elements that make up their funtionality (when it comes to mechanically being the same).

So...what exactly are we changing? DNA/RNA is an organic equivolent to code...the only thing left would be a collective conciousness, which could tie in to the development of telepathy..but I far from see how sythesis would do that.

I guess I need an explaination as to WHAT components changed? can the body actually create synthetic metals that are not naturally occuring? its so far from the logic that the series dictates we follow closely with science..it'd be like The Bigbang Theory (tv show) suddenly using magic instead of science! sure its FICTION..but it follows its established conventions.

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Philosophically, the idea is quite thrilling - that two opposites can be reconciled as a completely new thing.

Unfortunately BioWare chose the weirdest and least sensical way to explain it. Or scratch that, they just didn't explain it at all.

Modifié par Arcian, 26 avril 2012 - 05:52 .


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OP missed the follow up point. The guy said there already was life. Different forms.

Gamble tweeted a question asking if EDI was truly alive.