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[BouncyCaitian]

Synthesis is the good option.

"You Will Be Assimilated. Resistance Is Futile."

[T-Raks]

Yup, when I read that at work I nearly spew out my coffee, because this proves that they really think that what the reapers wanted all along is the only/best option for the galaxy. This is worse than I first thought when finishing the game.

[Richard 060]

Once more, with feeling:

Thinking should never be the enemy.

If, as a storyteller, you require your audience to effectively 'turn their brains off' to enjoy your work,  not remember pesky details from earlier in the story that might dare to contradict things that happen later on, or ask logical questions that might likewise undermine your narrative, then you have failed.

Modifié par Richard 060, 26 avril 2012 - 05:55 .

[MisterJB]

To remove boundaries between species. No longer will words like "human" or "turian" or "geth" will set walls between us. Equality, peace.
I think it's beautiful.

[nuculerman]

Arcian wrote...

Philosophically, the idea is quite thrilling - the idea that two opposites can be reconciled as a completely new thing.

Unfortunately BioWare chose the weirdest and least sensical way to explain it. Or scratch that, they just didn't explain it at all.

I think Casey Hudson read "The Singularity" by Ray Kurzweil a month before it went gold and said shiiiit.  The proceeded to try to include an entire philosophical undertone to a franchise by adding 10 lines of dialogue with a VI in the ending.

[Taboo]

NYG1991 wrote...

OP missed the follow up point. The guy said there already was life. Different forms.

Gamble tweeted a question asking if EDI was truly alive.

It doesn't forgive the answer he gave or the rationale behind them believing it's the best answer.

[Iakus]

By the logic of Synthesis, the salarians could have ended the Krogan Rebellions without the genophage by finding a way to blend their DNA with the krogans, turning them into a single species, salogans...

Yup, makes total sense...

Modifié par iakus, 26 avril 2012 - 05:55 .

[BouncyCaitian]

MisterJB wrote...

To remove boundaries between species. No longer will words like "human" or "turian" or "geth" will set walls between us. Equality, peace.
I think it's beautiful.

And you fail at Diversity forever and have now become a homogonized drone......

The hell with that

Modifié par BouncyCaitian, 26 avril 2012 - 05:56 .

[Taboo]

MisterJB wrote...

To remove boundaries between species. No longer will words like "human" or "turian" or "geth" will set walls between us. Equality, peace.
I think it's beautiful.

Other people have said that in the past..........

I won't name names......

[The Night Mammoth]

Destroy and Control strike me as two options that were supposed to perhaps balance each other.

Choose red, end the cycle, sacrifice something important, or choose blue, and only postpone the cycle for a time, save everyone.

Synthesis is just so................. out of place. Like some invalid had a 'crazy and super clever idea' that was a bastardized version of the other two.

Modifié par The Night Mammoth, 26 avril 2012 - 05:57 .

[The Night Mammoth]

MisterJB wrote...

To remove boundaries between species. No longer will words like "human" or "turian" or "geth" will set walls between us. Equality, peace.
I think it's beautiful.

Ah, so you like the idea of eliminating diversity and culture. 

[Taboo]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

To remove boundaries between species. No longer will words like "human" or "turian" or "geth" will set walls between us. Equality, peace.
I think it's beautiful.

Ah, so you like the idea of eliminating diversity and culture. 

Implications! Implications everywhere!

[MaximizedAction]

My first thought, when the child explained synthesis was, "This is communism."
Sure, nature works the communistic way(=>green eyes?), but organics naturally don't. And by suddenly forcing communism on a group of people, no matter what reasoning behind it, whether ending a conflict, is no better than Lenin, Stalin, Honecker and all the other bandits.

Yes, young people tend to prefer the communistic ways, but with regard to world's history in the 20th century, 'experimental evidence' shows, that pure communism doesn't work with humans, and therefore probably all organics.

So yeah, Synthesis is a clear case of communism.

Modifié par MaximizedAction, 26 avril 2012 - 05:59 .

[devSin]

Gill Kaiser wrote...

Mr. Gamble seems to find it a confusing concept that we already considered synthetics as equally valid forms of life. The organic and synthetic lifeform dichotomy is entirely fabricated, and the solution proposed is atrociously immoral. Why must organics and synthetics be merged into one? They're already life, and they each have a place in the cosmos. Synthesis takes away their future and everything they could become through the natural progession of a sentient culture.

This is the most galling part of it.

ME2 and most of ME3 have already done a fine job of getting me to care about EDI and the geth and to see them as sentient beings. The game has already shown me that they are alive, and that they are deserving of that distinction. But now it tries to tell me that the only way we can all get along is if we're all fundamentally the same?

That's abhorrent. And the game even tries to use the perception of "synthetic" life that it successfully advocated for the majority of the past 100 hours to force me into choosing their disgusting synthesis (by saying the geth have to die).

Guess what? If that gives me pause, then I ALREADY ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THE GETH ARE LIFE AND WORTHY OF LIVING.

[Abreu Road]

They are on crack.

If synthesis was an option since the beginning, why didn't Star Child choose this as a viable option? Why did he choose to kill every single spacefaring race that ever existed and completely wipeout their culture and people?

Why not "there is just life" since the beginning?

[viperabyss]

Michael Gamble says...

but the idea is there is no concept of machine or organic anymore. There is only life.

I really couldn't believe my eyes. Are the dev team desperately trying to justify the ending? What is really blocking them to release a DLC that retconn the endings, and just focus on one ending, and multiple outcomes?

Modifié par viperabyss, 26 avril 2012 - 06:00 .

[Taboo]

MaximizedAction wrote...

My first thought, when the child explained synthesis was, "This is communism."
Sure, nature works the communistic way(=>green eyes?), but organics naturally don't. And by suddenly forcing communism on a group of people, no matter what reasoning behind it, whether ending a conflict, is no better than Lenin, Stalin, Honecker and all the other bandits.

Yes, young people tend to prefer the communistic ways, but with regard to world's history in the 20th century, you just can't advertise communism as something good.

So yeah, Synthesis is a clear case of communism.

It achieves what Mao and Stalin couldn't do. It removes what is considered "undesirable" in people.

[nuculerman]

MaximizedAction wrote...

My first thought, when the child explained synthesis was, "This is communism."
Sure, nature works the communistic way(=>green eyes?), but organics naturally don't. And by suddenly forcing communism on a group of people, no matter what reasoning behind it, whether ending a conflict, is no better than Lenin, Stalin, Honecker and all the other bandits.

Yes, young people tend to prefer the communistic ways, but with regard to world's history in the 20th century, 'experimental evidence' shows, that pure communism doesn't work with humans, and therefore probably all organics.

So yeah, Synthesis is a clear case of communism.

You clearly have absolutely no idea what communism is.

[MisterJB]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

To remove boundaries between species. No longer will words like "human" or "turian" or "geth" will set walls between us. Equality, peace.
I think it's beautiful.

Ah, so you like the idea of eliminating diversity and culture. 

On what basis do you claim aht diversity or culture has been eliminated?
All life on Earth is based on DNA but there is diversity. And would you claim that the only way to achieve equality is through the destruction of culture?

[Lyrebon]

You're all wrong because... ARTISTIC INTEGRITY!

Seriously, that is never going away Bioware.

[Taboo]

Lyrebon wrote...

You're all wrong because... ARTISTIC INTEGRITY!

Seriously, that is never going away Bioware.

An Artist has responsibility to tell the truth. Bioware has presented a half-ass rationale and expected people to be in awe of it. This kind of thinking is not new. Do you think we're dumb?

Modifié par Taboo-XX, 26 avril 2012 - 06:03 .

[BD Manchild]

To me, it's the most hideous of the endings, and I hang my head in shame when I think that Bioware seem to be promoting it as the best outcome. Changing the way life itself works, stripping away all diversity from the galaxy without even considering whether anyone will accept it, strikes me as purely villainous behaviour; flat-out wrong.

[LKx]

the funny thing in all this is that synthes doesn't give any explanation on how space magic would prevent hybrids to develop pure synthetics who (bearing with the catalyst's logic) will whipe everything else...

Modifié par LKx, 26 avril 2012 - 06:04 .

[Richard 060]

NYG1991 wrote...

OP missed the follow up point. The guy said there already was life. Different forms.

Gamble tweeted a question asking if EDI was truly alive.

Wow. It's like these important moments of character development were for nought:

Legion: "Does this unit have a soul?"

EDI discovers her 'humanity'


God dammit - and this is guy is supposed to be the Associate Producer for Mass Effect 3, with a primary focus on DLC. I.e., one of the main people in charge of the Extended Cut.