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[Taboo]

The last user post makes the reaction face in the original post even more hilarious.

Modifié par Taboo-XX, 27 avril 2012 - 11:09 .

[Iakus]

Halo Quea wrote...
This was sort of my point earlier.   We don't even know how people are going to accept Synthesis. 

With the relays destroyed and everyone isolated in their various areas of space,  there could be wide spread panic to the sudden change of becoming machine hybrids.  In my little synopsis, a man and his wife assume that the Reapers must have "won" and succeeded in turning everyone into whatever they wanted.  

I predict there would be MASS SUICIDES by people who would terrified at even looking at themselves in the mirror.  You went to sleep last night with a human being, you wake up the next morning and your wife has electric eyes and circuitry imprints embedded within her skin. 

Would any of us be cool with seeing their baby infant robbed of it's humanity?  How would the other species in the galaxy react to this?  As you've stated, it's more than just making an uninformed decision, it's about accepting the choices provided by the galaxy's greatest murderer. 

And perhaps space-god-boy laughs in the end because Shepard finally allows him to triumph over the galaxy. 

And the reaction from pre-spacelight, or even pretechnology, civilizations, would be even worse.  The ones who haven't discovered the relays and have no frakking clue about the Reapers or the war going on in the galxy would be even more confused and terrified.

[goose2989]

Taboo-XX wrote...

They didn't present speculation. They presented a lack of information and insulted the audience's intelligence.

Mind boggling.

[Blue Liara]

Bioware not dismissing the fans as stupid.....

We have dismissed this claim.

Modifié par Blue Liara, 28 avril 2012 - 02:25 .

[Peranor]

Taboo-XX wrote...



The forced Adam and Eve allegory doesn't help agnostics OR atheists.

Bioware needs to understand that people LAUGH at forced symbolism. It isn't deep or thought provking.

I think they wanted thought provoking but messed up and only got provoking. Or maybe appaling. Or just disgusting...

[tute]

This is what happens when you have an Uwe Boll impersonator and a guy with an engineering degree that can debate with guys like michio kaku go behind closed doors and write the endings by themselves. If the Weekes "hacked" tweet is to be believed, then Hudson mind, if left unchecked, would go on a roll on deep topics like string theory and quantum physics. i can see him clearly thinking something like synthesis; Walters vision on his interview is more generic/mainstream with the normal.

[Taboo]

tute wrote...

This is what happens when you have an Uwe Boll impersonator and a guy with an engineering degree that can debate with guys like michio kaku go behind closed doors and write the endings by themselves. If the Weekes "hacked" tweet is to be believed, then Hudson mind, if left unchecked, would go on a roll on deep topics like string theory and quantum physics. i can see him clearly thinking something like synthesis; Walters vision on his interview is more generic/mainstream with the normal.

Oh God. Uwe Boll.

Yeah, he made a comedy about Auschwitz. AUTSCHWITZ.

[Halo Quea]

iakus wrote...

Halo Quea wrote...
This was sort of my point earlier.   We don't even know how people are going to accept Synthesis. 

With the relays destroyed and everyone isolated in their various areas of space,  there could be wide spread panic to the sudden change of becoming machine hybrids.  In my little synopsis, a man and his wife assume that the Reapers must have "won" and succeeded in turning everyone into whatever they wanted.  

I predict there would be MASS SUICIDES by people who would terrified at even looking at themselves in the mirror.  You went to sleep last night with a human being, you wake up the next morning and your wife has electric eyes and circuitry imprints embedded within her skin. 

Would any of us be cool with seeing their baby infant robbed of it's humanity?  How would the other species in the galaxy react to this?  As you've stated, it's more than just making an uninformed decision, it's about accepting the choices provided by the galaxy's greatest murderer. 

And perhaps space-god-boy laughs in the end because Shepard finally allows him to triumph over the galaxy. 

And the reaction from pre-spacelight, or even pretechnology, civilizations, would be even worse.  The ones who haven't discovered the relays and have no frakking clue about the Reapers or the war going on in the galxy would be even more confused and terrified.

Good point, I didn't even think about the pre-spaceflight species, animals or even plant life for the matter. 

Now imagine for a moment that you are EDI, one of the Geth, or maybe even Avina, the Citadel V.I.   What happens once Avina is given flesh?   What about other A.I.s and V.I.s?  Are they ALL going to suddenly be given flesh, blood and bones?  

The more you think about it, the crazier the entire premise of Synthesis appears.  It would take more than an A.I to look across the entire galaxy and change the very patchwork of life.  As some have suggested, it would take a      G-O-D, or at least an omni-present being who could examine every single strand of dna in the entire galaxy and instantly re-write and re-code it to take on a new matrix. 

If Bioware isn't prepared to change the endings, I fear this franchise is dead.  There would be no way to salvage it at this point.

Modifié par Halo Quea, 28 avril 2012 - 07:41 .

[ShepnTali]

If we're lucky, this is a swerve.

[EnvyTB075]

Wait....synthesis was the hard to get option? I got it on my first play through...and still chose destroy....

[d-boy15]

EnvyTB075 wrote...

Wait....synthesis was the hard to get option? I got it on my first play through...and still chose destroy....

it's not hard to get if you import save, the hardest one to get is extra breath scene.

Modifié par d-boy15, 28 avril 2012 - 08:04 .

[EnvyTB075]

d-boy15 wrote...

EnvyTB075 wrote...

Wait....synthesis was the hard to get option? I got it on my first play through...and still chose destroy....

it's not hard to get if you import save, the hardest one to get is extra breath scene.

I got that on my first run through as well...

[GuardianAngel470]

nuculerman wrote...

I think the issue is Casey Hudson and the lead writer made a decision without the consent of anyone else, and now Bioware has to defend it. People who aren't Casey Hudson or the lead writer have a hard time doing that. So all defenses of the ending aren't so much as heart felt as they are PR BS to try to do the least damage and commit the least as possible.

I agree, people at Bioware aren't idiots either. Allan and Jarrett (two Bioware guys) are pretty darn smart and can easily hold an intelligent discussion with us. I'm not saying we're some kind of metric, but it's obvious to us these guys are intelligent.

I find the possibility you presented does a lot to explain Gamble's post. He's arguing a position that isn't his, so he's going to simply parrot the person whose position it is, in this case Casey Hudson.

I think blame ultimately does rest with him and him alone. Mac Walters did too good of a job from a strictly technical perspecitive in the rest of the series. He wrote Garrus after all. I seriously doubt he's guilty of anything other than momentary incompetence.

However the ideas presented are so foreign to the series, the method of execution so bafflingly bad from a literary perspective, that I find it infinitely more likely it was the influence of someone that doesn't write professionally that caused this.

[GuardianAngel470]

Taboo-XX wrote...

tute wrote...

This is what happens when you have an Uwe Boll impersonator and a guy with an engineering degree that can debate with guys like michio kaku go behind closed doors and write the endings by themselves. If the Weekes "hacked" tweet is to be believed, then Hudson mind, if left unchecked, would go on a roll on deep topics like string theory and quantum physics. i can see him clearly thinking something like synthesis; Walters vision on his interview is more generic/mainstream with the normal.

Oh God. Uwe Boll.

Yeah, he made a comedy about Auschwitz. AUTSCHWITZ.

WHAT.

[EnvyTB075]

Uwe Boll is one of those directors that you shouldn't even give the benefit of attention.

[kalasaurus]

But I never doubted that the Geth and EDI were alive? Even EDI tells Shepard she truly feels alive for the first time. The Geth gained sentience.

I guess I just don't get it. I really don't see why synthetics and organics can't both be life without synthesis. They're just different kinds of life...

[XXIceColdXX]

The endings as is are poorly thought out and don't fit in with the themes of the Mass Effect series

Bring on the IT theory

[Cypher_CS]

Ugh!

Synthesis != Cyborgs!!

[d-boy15]

because writer need to balace all choice. while many people want to destroy the reaper if they make destroy
choice destroy only reapers, what the point of the other 2 choice? many people will go for destroy.

so, they make it hard to choose by hold geth as hostage to make peoples considers other choice which lead
to synthasis for many peoples because they don't want to sacrifice geth. the control option doesn't need more
downside because you spend the whole game argue about it. in synthesis you compromise with the reapers
so, many peoples will not go for it.

from this point, I think writers seem to underestimate the hate toward the reapers of many players that make
them not consider about synthasis and still prefer to choose destroy even the narrative show that destroy is
the choice that have the most downside compare to other.

BTW, I think writers shouldn't choose the "best" choice, it should be equal. each ending has the best outcome
of it own. hope to see they do that in EC.

[DJBare]

Cypher_CS wrote...

Ugh!

Synthesis != Cyborgs!!

You obviously know what it is not, but do you know what it IS?

[Cypher_CS]

I've posted plenty of speculations that do not stride into the fantastical or the completely baseless and hysterical assumptive.

But I keep seeing people here assuming that it means that EDI or all those VIs will suddenly get flesh (What TF?!?!?!). Or people assuming everyone becomes an automaton without free will.
This is not implied anywhere.

[DJBare]

Cypher_CS wrote...

I've posted plenty of speculations that do not stride into the fantastical or the completely baseless and hysterical assumptive.

That's the problem I have with it, if I'm to believe starbrat then I "know" I will lose EDI and the geth when choosing destroy, but I have no idea what the results of synthesis is.

[d-boy15]

Cypher_CS wrote...

I've posted plenty of speculations that do not stride into the fantastical or the completely baseless and hysterical assumptive.

But I keep seeing people here assuming that it means that EDI or all those VIs will suddenly get flesh (What TF?!?!?!). Or people assuming everyone becomes an automaton without free will.
This is not implied anywhere.

I think the "free will" that they talk about is mean in synthasis you "force" peoples to evolve.
they didn't has a chance to choose it.

[Vox Draco]

Cypher_CS wrote...

I've posted plenty of speculations that do not stride into the fantastical or the completely baseless and hysterical assumptive.

But I keep seeing people here assuming that it means that EDI or all those VIs will suddenly get flesh (What TF?!?!?!). Or people assuming everyone becomes an automaton without free will.
This is not implied anywhere.

Well, this is what you get when you want "everyone to specualte" instead of giving straightforward, understandable answers that do not require a degree in philosophy or engineering or advanced biology...

Almost nothing is implied by the kid...it is us who make things up, true. Because all the very sparse information given to us comes from the mass-murdering AI. No wonder peopel seem to assume the worst... 

[MakeMineMako]

I find all three endings equally disgusting.