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[ShepnTali]

As far as I know, on the disc only destroy is flagged, so synthesis saves wouldn't continue with future content.

[T-Raks]

BTW: If synthesis is the desired canon decision maybe the whole ME series should've centered around a scientific like Mordin, who would've babbled "yes, that's the solution" and not around a soldier like Shepard who of course reacts with a "whutdafug?".

[pistolols]

so basically what we can gather from OP's logic is he is racist against synthetic lifeforms and likely hates interracial marriage because the children of interracial couples aren't given a choice when it comes to being mixed ethnicity.

Noted.

[Gyroscopic_Trout]

If synthetics weren't life before, then what was the point of Legion's sacrifice of Rannoch? When Tali told him he had a soul, she was, what? Just trying to make him feel better?

[Iakus]

BD Manchild wrote...

To me, it's the most hideous of the endings, and I hang my head in shame when I think that Bioware seem to be promoting it as the best outcome. Changing the way life itself works, stripping away all diversity from the galaxy without even considering whether anyone will accept it, strikes me as purely villainous behaviour; flat-out wrong.

it's like having an idea that the way to eliminate hate crimes is by forcing everyone in the world to undergo gene therapy.  Horrific

[Joran Anduril]

There were a couple of twitter meltdowns yesterday; in addition to the Synthesis debacle with Gamble, Merizan got super defensive asking people not to tweet "hold the line" at her and insisting that the endings are absolutely not going to change because "most people" only want "clarity" and the majority of fans didn't actually hate the end.

What planet are these people living on? The fact that the vast majority of loyal BW fans hated the endings has garnered NATIONAL MAINSTREAM MEDIA ATTENTION. But no, Merizan is still insulting us with the "vocal minority" accusation despite all legitimate evidence to the contrary. The PR just gets worse and worse. Do they still think getting defensive and insulting the fans is the way to go? Really? *smh*

I guess I'm still looking forward to the EC since most of the writers are working on it, but it sure would be nice not to be insulted by Bioware for caring about Mass Effect. And given Gamble's comments, I really hope they're not going to try to force Synthesis down our throats even more.

Modifié par Joran Anduril, 26 avril 2012 - 06:09 .

[Taboo]

ShepnTali wrote...

As far as I know, on the disc only destroy is flagged, so synthesis saves wouldn't continue with future content.

This doesn't make sense either. It creates something for saves.

Why?

[clarkusdarkus]

does synthesis mean were all adam jensons or have i played too much deus ex lately and have everything confused. i blame bioware if so.

[Taboo]

clarkusdarkus wrote...

does synthesis mean were all adam jensons or have i played too much deus ex lately and have everything confused. i blame bioware if so.

"We never asked for this."

[Richard 060]

In response to the idea that synthesis removes conflict by making everyone the same, and that this is somehow a 'good' thing, I'm copy-pasting a post I made in another thread:


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IMO, trying to skew the theme of 'everyone putting aside their differences to stand united against the Reapers - Geth included*' into some sweepingly generalised 'organics vs those pesky synthetics that will INEVITABLY destroy us' just seems like someone on the writing team trying too hard to Miss The Point...

*for all practical purposes, the Geth are just another race, regardless of being organic or synthetic. Just because they're not organic, doesn't automatically mean that they're a greater threat to the galaxy than any other faction. One could easily argue that the Krogan have posed the greater ongoing threat historically, yet we're given the choice to actually save them by curing the genophage, rather than just wiping them out. The Geth, on the other hand, have shown restraint, moderation, and a genuine desire to avoid both general hostilities and the risk of destroying themselves and/or their creators, yet we're supposed to just go along with the Catalyst's supposition that they, as synthetics, are ultimately a ticking time bomb that will doom us organics if not eliminated. It's nonsensical.


As for Mike Gamble's notion that synthesis is best because it takes organics and synthetics, and joins the two to form simply 'life', that's a frankly naively rose-tinted interpretation of what is tantamount to 'stealth racism':
Using race as an analogy, imagine if someone fused everyone on Earth to become one giant mixed-race society. The goal of which: there are no longer distinct groups, such as 'white people' or 'black people', but now simply 'people'.

...except here's the rub - what kind of ignorant bigot are you, if you couldn't simply see one group of 'people' before?

If homogenising everyone is the only way for you to perceive them as equals, then you need to do some pretty serious soul-searching, because you clearly have problems looking past the superficial differences in others.

Modifié par Richard 060, 26 avril 2012 - 06:11 .

[Eain]

The whole synthesis solution is like suggesting that the way to resolve racial tensions is by having people interbreed so that we're all the same.

Rather than, you know... just not be morons.

[viperabyss]

Taboo-XX wrote...

ShepnTali wrote...

As far as I know, on the disc only destroy is flagged, so synthesis saves wouldn't continue with future content.

This doesn't make sense either. It creates something for saves.

Why?

Only 2 possibilities

1. Bioware is planning on releasing post-ME3 DLCs, which is something they said they're not going to do.

2. Bioware is considering releasing ME4, which is another thing they said they're not going to do.

But again, Bioware also said they would give us an ending that will leave no unanswered question.

[Taboo]

Did they not believe I thought that synthetics were already worthy of life? Do they think I'm that dense?

Modifié par Taboo-XX, 26 avril 2012 - 06:13 .

[Richard 060]

Taboo-XX wrote...

Did they not believe I thought that synthetics were already worthy of life. Do they think I'm that dense?

"Hey, kids - now you can play as Geth in Multiplayer!

Just ignore the fact that they're not truly 'alive' in the way that all the proper organic characters are - and of course, since they're synthetic, they'll eventually turn on all your organic team-mates..."

[Tal_Elmar]

viperabyss wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

ShepnTali wrote...

As far as I know, on the disc only destroy is flagged, so synthesis saves wouldn't continue with future content.

This doesn't make sense either. It creates something for saves.

Why?

Only 2 possibilities

1. Bioware is planning on releasing post-ME3 DLCs, which is something they said they're not going to do.

2. Bioware is considering releasing ME4, which is another thing they said they're not going to do.

But again, Bioware also said they would give us an ending that will leave no unanswered question.

There are more ME games coming, they just won't be Shep's stories anymore.
And Destroy is the most logical 'canon' ending for savegames to be imported. How would you do a new game making two different sets of models for EVERYONE - normal organic and cyborg? And BW did say, I believe, to keep our ME saves

So synthesis goes right into the crapper where it belongs

[MisterJB]

Arcian wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

To remove boundaries between species. No longer will words like "human" or "turian" or "geth" will set walls between us. Equality, peace.
I think it's beautiful.

So do I, but how do you explain it? BioWare didn't even try.

I think the problem is that Bioware, besides not attempting to give an explanation to the how or results, Synthesis was not approached before in the series.
The organic/synthetic conflict is there as is the idea of using Reaper code for benefitial purposes. But the idea of merging the two only appeared in the ending.
It's a good idea but we need more than that to make it be accepted.

[richard_rider]

Taboo-XX wrote...

Did they not believe I thought that synthetics were already worthy of life? Do they think I'm that dense?

No, they just believe that you believe their play at organics v synthetics and that eventually synthetics will destroy all organics.

[Taboo]

I'm in awe.

What happens when the truth is finally revealed? Who gets to deal with the fan base then?

[Taboo]

Tal_Elmar wrote...

viperabyss wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

ShepnTali wrote...

As far as I know, on the disc only destroy is flagged, so synthesis saves wouldn't continue with future content.

This doesn't make sense either. It creates something for saves.

Why?

Only 2 possibilities

1. Bioware is planning on releasing post-ME3 DLCs, which is something they said they're not going to do.

2. Bioware is considering releasing ME4, which is another thing they said they're not going to do.

But again, Bioware also said they would give us an ending that will leave no unanswered question.

There are more ME games coming, they just won't be Shep's stories anymore.
And Destroy is the most logical 'canon' ending for savegames to be imported. How would you do a new game making two different sets of models for EVERYONE - normal organic and cyborg? And BW did say, I believe, to keep our ME saves

So synthesis goes right into the crapper where it belongs

The thought pleases me greatly.

Modifié par Taboo-XX, 26 avril 2012 - 06:17 .

[Mims]

I just cannot understand this ending. People make fun of the 'retakers' for wanting sunshine and bunny endings... but synthesis is somehow worse than that. It is essentially: "and then everyone was robot and held hand and became new Eden."

The end. /rainbow

[spirosz]

MisterJB wrote...

Arcian wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

To remove boundaries between species. No longer will words like "human" or "turian" or "geth" will set walls between us. Equality, peace.
I think it's beautiful.

So do I, but how do you explain it? BioWare didn't even try.

I think the problem is that Bioware, besides not attempting to give an explanation to the how or results, Synthesis was not approached before in the series.
The organic/synthetic conflict is there as is the idea of using Reaper code for benefitial purposes. But the idea of merging the two only appeared in the ending.
It's a good idea but we need more than that to make it be accepted.

At the bolded part, that's the main problem I have with it.  

[Taboo]

Mims wrote...

I just cannot understand this ending. People make fun of the 'retakers' for wanting sunshine and bunny endings... but synthesis is somehow worse than that. It is essentially: "and then everyone was robot and held hand and became new Eden."

The end. /rainbow

Religious allegories in Science Fiction? I don't think I've ever seen that before Bioware.

Religious symbolism is the LAZIEST symbolism in art.

[devSin]

Richard 060 wrote...

If homogenising everyone is the only way for you to perceive them as equals, then you need to do some pretty serious soul-searching, because you clearly have problems looking past the superficial differences in others.

This is what makes my blood boil. It's disgusting and offensive to suggest that this the only way life can continue peacefully.

[Taboo]

devSin wrote...

Richard 060 wrote...

If homogenising everyone is the only way for you to perceive them as equals, then you need to do some pretty serious soul-searching, because you clearly have problems looking past the superficial differences in others.

This is what makes my blood boil. It's disgusting and offensive to suggest that this the only way life can continue peacefully.

It's pretty ****ty psychology. What makes me even more frustrated is that it COMES OUT OF THE BLUE.

[nuculerman]

Mims wrote...

I just cannot understand this ending. People make fun of the 'retakers' for wanting sunshine and bunny endings... but synthesis is somehow worse than that. It is essentially: "and then everyone was robot and held hand and became new Eden."

The end. /rainbow

Nuculerman wrote...

I think Casey Hudson read "The Singularity" by Ray Kurzweil a month before it went gold and said shiiiit.  The proceeded to try to include an entire philosophical undertone to a franchise by adding 10 lines of dialogue with a VI in the ending.