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[nitefyre410]

matthewmi wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

To remove boundaries between species. No longer will words like "human" or "turian" or "geth" will set walls between us. Equality, peace.
I think it's beautiful.

lol we're all humans and we have no qualms killing each other, this utopian idea is truly pie in the sky.  If there is still free will afterwards I could choose to go around and start killing everyone and get like minded individuals to do the same how does synthesis solve anything?  I could make a new robot race if I felt like it and turn it loose on the galaxy, to reap and reap, synthesis is as dumb as it is unethical and immoral.

 

Exactly - You really don't have to go into the ethics to understand it solves absolutely nothing and its complete BS. Its not even peace. 

Not one thing about  Synthesis resolves anything.  

  peaceful  co-existence which is something the Geth Prime talks about in the cut dialogue. 
 

[viperabyss]

Taboo-XX wrote...


It's a post describing his thoughts one how the endings weren't red, green and blue. The ending videos are labelled Red, Green and Blue. He dissappeared shortly there after.

Actually, I was referring to this one:

Stanley Woo wrote...

People got angry when NWN came out and it wasn't BG.
People got angry when KotOR came out because it was a console game.
People got angry when Jade Empire came out because it was a different setting, and it was an action RPG.
People got angry when Mass Effect came out because it was a shooter.
People got angry when Dragon Age: Origins came out because it wasn't BG.
People got angry when DA2 came out because it wasn't DAO.
People got angry when ME2 came out because it wasn't ME1.

And now people are angry at ME3.

This post bascially tells me, as a community manager who's supposed to understand fans' perspective, he utterly, utterly failed at his job.

Modifié par viperabyss, 26 avril 2012 - 06:52 .

[Taboo]

BouncyCaitian wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

matthewmi wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

To remove boundaries between species. No longer will words like "human" or "turian" or "geth" will set walls between us. Equality, peace.
I think it's beautiful.

lol we're all humans and we have no qualms killing each other, this utopian idea is truly pie in the sky.  If there is still free will afterwards I could choose to go around and start killing everyone and get like minded individuals to do the same how does synthesis solve anything?  I could make a new robot race if I felt like it and turn it loose on the galaxy, to reap and reap, synthesis is as dumb as it is unethical and immoral.

It's quite evident to me that people are not as up to speed as they should be on these kinds of things. Has no one ever read a book about the impossibility of Utopia? A book on psychology? Animal Farm?

Was my education not supposed to apply here?

Got Copies of Brave New World, 1984, and 1985. But you can't blame them too much. they've not been told the truuth about living in the Eartern Euro Block during the Cold war and how much it sucked. 

It'd be nice to knock them off the horse. Bob Dylan's Like a Rolling Stone plays in my whenever I think of them now.

[Cobra's_back]

Plus 10 OP best post I read all week. Thanks.

[Brother Takka]

And that OP, is why I shot the pipe.

[Taboo]

Well. I'm glad I'm not alone.

Maybe I'll send a copy of this to Bioware. Tee hee.

[Edolix]

You're spot-on OP. I agree wth you completely.

[Taboo]

If I "knew" what Bioware was planning I wouldn't be so rustled. How could a company that always played ethics correctly mess up SO,SO BADLY?

[Cobra's_back]

MaximizedAction wrote...

My first thought, when the child explained synthesis was, "This is communism."
Sure, nature works the communistic way(=>green eyes?), but organics naturally don't. And by suddenly forcing communism on a group of people, no matter what reasoning behind it, whether ending a conflict, is no better than Lenin, Stalin, Honecker and all the other bandits.

Yes, young people tend to prefer the communistic ways, but with regard to world's history in the 20th century, 'experimental evidence' shows, that pure communism doesn't work with humans, and therefore probably all organics.

So yeah, Synthesis is a clear case of communism.

That is how I saw it. Let's get rid of diversity.

[Taboo]

ghostbusters101 wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

My first thought, when the child explained synthesis was, "This is communism."
Sure, nature works the communistic way(=>green eyes?), but organics naturally don't. And by suddenly forcing communism on a group of people, no matter what reasoning behind it, whether ending a conflict, is no better than Lenin, Stalin, Honecker and all the other bandits.

Yes, young people tend to prefer the communistic ways, but with regard to world's history in the 20th century, 'experimental evidence' shows, that pure communism doesn't work with humans, and therefore probably all organics.

So yeah, Synthesis is a clear case of communism.

That is how I saw it. Let's get rid of diversity.

It's not communism. It's far, far worse. What we have is a complete loss of what species ARE. There are no longer humans, asari, or turians. All we have are abominations created by the descision of ONE person.

[Eain]

viperabyss wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...


It's a post describing his thoughts one how the endings weren't red, green and blue. The ending videos are labelled Red, Green and Blue. He dissappeared shortly there after.

Actually, I was referring to this one:

Stanley Woo wrote...

People got angry when NWN came out and it wasn't BG.
People got angry when KotOR came out because it was a console game.
People got angry when Jade Empire came out because it was a different setting, and it was an action RPG.
People got angry when Mass Effect came out because it was a shooter.
People got angry when Dragon Age: Origins came out because it wasn't BG.
People got angry when DA2 came out because it wasn't DAO.
People got angry when ME2 came out because it wasn't ME1.

And now people are angry at ME3.

This post bascially tells me, as a community manager who's supposed to understand fans' perspective, he utterly, utterly failed at his job.

Actually I called him out on that list and he pretty much immediately got uppity and told me he had no interest in debating anything. What a copout.

[TJX2045]

 To me, Synthesis seems to me like if Hitler had the ability to merge everyone of majoirty and minority races together and create an Aryan Race while keeping the "strengths of both, the weaknesses of neither"....hmmm, sounds familiar?

[Cobra's_back]

Taboo-XX wrote...

BatmanPWNS wrote...

If this really happened. I think many people would get very angry.

I wish I could get across to them how much we hate it.

New cupcakes maybe? Puke green?

Sounds good.

[Taboo]

Eain wrote...

viperabyss wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...


It's a post describing his thoughts one how the endings weren't red, green and blue. The ending videos are labelled Red, Green and Blue. He dissappeared shortly there after.

Actually, I was referring to this one:

Stanley Woo wrote...

People got angry when NWN came out and it wasn't BG.
People got angry when KotOR came out because it was a console game.
People got angry when Jade Empire came out because it was a different setting, and it was an action RPG.
People got angry when Mass Effect came out because it was a shooter.
People got angry when Dragon Age: Origins came out because it wasn't BG.
People got angry when DA2 came out because it wasn't DAO.
People got angry when ME2 came out because it wasn't ME1.

And now people are angry at ME3.

This post bascially tells me, as a community manager who's supposed to understand fans' perspective, he utterly, utterly failed at his job.

Actually I called him out on that list and he pretty much immediately got uppity and told me he had no interest in debating anything. What a copout.

He called us basement dwellers in a tweet. Does my two hundred dollar a day minimum mean nothing? I don't even have to work eight hours to be paid.

I laughed. But not because I felt I was better. I laughed because the comment was so contradictory to what he should have been doing.

The employees are people too and deserve to be treated as such. But I won't sit and be insulted either.

[MisterJB]

matthewmi wrote...
lol we're all humans and we have no qualms killing each other, this utopian idea is truly pie in the sky.  If there is still free will afterwards I could choose to go around and start killing everyone and get like minded individuals to do the same how does synthesis solve anything? 

But as humans, we are still divided into nations. There are, of course, people who have mental problems or simply enjoy kill and I imagine these will still exist after Synthesis. However, the main cause of wars is political differences, nations competing for power and such.
Synthesis could blur these differences, allow for more effective methods of communication like the geth share.
At its core, this idea is beautiful but it is simply far too complex to present only in the last 10 minutes of the game. Hopefully, it will be better explained in the EC.

I could make a new robot race if I felt like it and turn it loose on the galaxy, to reap and reap, synthesis is as dumb as it is unethical and immoral.

Maybe Synthesis simply makes it impossible to do. Even Joker's hat appears to have circuits in it.
Perhaps any attempt at creating Synthetic life will be pointless because it will, automatically, contain the Reaper Code.
That, evidently, begs the question. How will Synthesis decide what's an extremely advanced computer and what is Synthetic Life? But the same question can be made of the Destroy ending so, it's not exclusive to Synthesis.

[Taboo]

ghostbusters101 wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

BatmanPWNS wrote...

If this really happened. I think many people would get very angry.

I wish I could get across to them how much we hate it.

New cupcakes maybe? Puke green?

Sounds good.

Yeah, but can we get it to happen? I know nothing about Kickstarter and such.

[MassiveEffects]

TJX2045 wrote...

 To me, Synthesis seems to me like if Hitler had the ability to merge everyone of majoirty and minority races together and create an Aryan Race while keeping the "strengths of both, the weaknesses of neither"....hmmm, sounds familiar?

Godwin's Law. But yeah, the implications are pretty damn ethically repugnant if you ask me.

[MrAtomica]

Arcian wrote...

Philosophically, the idea is quite thrilling - that two opposites can be reconciled as a completely new thing.

Unfortunately BioWare chose the weirdest and least sensical way to explain it. Or scratch that, they just didn't explain it at all.

Except that Synthesis does nothing to push reconcilliation forward, at least not in and of itself. The only thing that Synthesis accomplishes is the forced merging of two different forms of life. Beyond that, none of those individuals' thoughts or feelings are altered. The capacity for misunderstanding and mistrust are still very much there.

Synthesis seems, to me, as though a writer (Walters/Hudson) decided that simply tossing two differing outlooks on life together would magically solve all of the ostensible problems between said positions. As we all should know at this point in our lives, history has proven that such extreme measures rarely have the intended consequence. At best, they could improve the chances of something changing for the better, but they cannot cause such a change to occur without individual action. A sudden, jarring mashing together of synthetic and organic life does nothing to erase the fact that both sides are still different, in both body and mind.

Even worse, none of the current endings actually solve a damn thing in relation to this supposed "inevitable Synthetic-Organic conflict" (in quotes because I do not believe it even exists). Assuming you were to take the Catalyst at its word, there is no conclusion of this issue. At best, you have only delayed it.

Personally, I find the whole idea of Synthesis (the other endings as well, but Synthesis especially) completely insulting. The notion that two unique forms of life can only coexist if they are forcibly combined is ****ing ridiculous. Sure, it might make for an uplifting idea IN THEORY, but it is utterly wrong to actually carry such an act out. If this kind of ending were to be presented, it needs to feature some form of consensus from both parties involved before I could even begin to consider it. Even then, the means are too radical to justify the ends, at least for me.

To end my rant, I'd like to take a moment to reply to the Catalyst's statement --

"I control the Reapers, they are my solution....to chaos."

Guess what, sport? The universe has operated on a foundation of chaos for BILLIONS of years. Until you and your galactic goon squad showed up, it was doing just fine for itself. We. Do. Not. Need. Your. "Help". Nor would we want it, even if we were to "need" it.

Life is chaos, a glorious maelstrom of utter nonsense and random chance, writhing its way through the universe. There is no way to tame it, nor to bend it to your will. Maybe you find that worrisome, but I sure as hell do not. If the whole universe were an ordered entity, there would be no reason to live, nor would life truly exist as we know it. And perhaps that, and not the end of your purported "Organic-Synthetic war", is what you wanted all along.

Food for thought: if life is chaos by nature, and the Catalyst desires to "solve" chaos, does this not then mean that he actually desires to "solve" life itself?

[Cobra's_back]

Taboo-XX wrote...

ghostbusters101 wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

My first thought, when the child explained synthesis was, "This is communism."
Sure, nature works the communistic way(=>green eyes?), but organics naturally don't. And by suddenly forcing communism on a group of people, no matter what reasoning behind it, whether ending a conflict, is no better than Lenin, Stalin, Honecker and all the other bandits.

Yes, young people tend to prefer the communistic ways, but with regard to world's history in the 20th century, 'experimental evidence' shows, that pure communism doesn't work with humans, and therefore probably all organics.

So yeah, Synthesis is a clear case of communism.

That is how I saw it. Let's get rid of diversity.

It's not communism. It's far, far worse. What we have is a complete loss of what species ARE. There are no longer humans, asari, or turians. All we have are abominations created by the descision of ONE person.

They need to change this. I won't buy anymore product from them with this garbage.

[jlb524]

Eain wrote...
The whole synthesis solution is like suggesting that the way to resolve racial tensions is by having people interbreed so that we're all the same.

Rather than, you know... just not be morons.

I think the point is to tell us that we are incapable of not being morons.

[Taboo]

The causes of troubles are far worse than political leaders and divided nations.

I can't take you seriously if you believe that that is the cause of all of humanities problems.

Oh God, Why?

[MassiveEffects]

MisterJB wrote...

matthewmi wrote...
lol we're all humans and we have no qualms killing each other, this utopian idea is truly pie in the sky.  If there is still free will afterwards I could choose to go around and start killing everyone and get like minded individuals to do the same how does synthesis solve anything? 

But as humans, we are still divided into nations. There are, of course, people who have mental problems or simply enjoy kill and I imagine these will still exist after Synthesis. However, the main cause of wars is political differences, nations competing for power and such.
Synthesis could blur these differences, allow for more effective methods of communication like the geth share.
At its core, this idea is beautiful but it is simply far too complex to present only in the last 10 minutes of the game. Hopefully, it will be better explained in the EC.

I am unable to see the beauty, even in the idea of such a homogenous world. But hey, different values and all that.

[ShepnTali]

Taboo-XX wrote...

Eain wrote...

viperabyss wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...


It's a post describing his thoughts one how the endings weren't red, green and blue. The ending videos are labelled Red, Green and Blue. He dissappeared shortly there after.

Actually, I was referring to this one:

Stanley Woo wrote...

People got angry when NWN came out and it wasn't BG.
People got angry when KotOR came out because it was a console game.
People got angry when Jade Empire came out because it was a different setting, and it was an action RPG.
People got angry when Mass Effect came out because it was a shooter.
People got angry when Dragon Age: Origins came out because it wasn't BG.
People got angry when DA2 came out because it wasn't DAO.
People got angry when ME2 came out because it wasn't ME1.

And now people are angry at ME3.

This post bascially tells me, as a community manager who's supposed to understand fans' perspective, he utterly, utterly failed at his job.

Actually I called him out on that list and he pretty much immediately got uppity and told me he had no interest in debating anything. What a copout.

He called us basement dwellers in a tweet. Does my two hundred dollar a day minimum mean nothing? I don't even have to work eight hours to be paid.

I laughed. But not because I felt I was better. I laughed because the comment was so contradictory to what he should have been doing.

The employees are people too and deserve to be treated as such. But I won't sit and be insulted either.

Heh, Twitter appears to be more trouble than it's worth.

[Taboo]

It makes me shake my head. It's so bad people have actually stopped playing ALL the games.

Even the Star Wars prequels couldn't make people stop watching the originals.

Critical marketing failure Bioware.