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MisterJB wrote...

matthewmi wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

Wulfram wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

To remove boundaries between species. No longer will words like "human" or "turian" or "geth" will set walls between us. Equality, peace.
I think it's beautiful.


But the differences are what make us what we are.

Creatures whose first tought when we encouter a different life form is: "Let's kill it."? (First Contact War, The Morning War)
I think we can afford some changes


Since we've never encountered another truly sentient species...don't know where you're getting this. 


Aren't we discussing the ME Universe here?

Well, you did say 'we' can afford some changes.

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MisterJB wrote...

To remove boundaries between species. No longer will words like "human" or "turian" or "geth" will set walls between us. Equality, peace.
I think it's beautiful.

I thought Shepard said she would not sacrifice the soul of her species to stop the reapers.

By the way, this is the only ending that's not simply a solution to the reaper problem, but an action that people would like to take even if the reapers didn't exist. They think the reapers aren't the problem - to them, individual freedom is the problem.

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I'm more surprised than anything that BioWare's doctors, of all people, could find this idea appealing. Even on a science-fiction level, (which shouldn't matter anyway since good science-fiction deals with real scientific implications, specifically those that affect us as a species), it's just an appalling idea.


PROBLEM MUZYKA?

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Yes because changing everyone's dna against their will, forcing everyone to be the same and enslaving a whole race is such a good concept. >.>


Plus you are agreeging to the Reapers solution to beleiving you can control teh Reapers. Just plain stupid.

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Taboo-XX wrote...

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It's starting to look more and more like the ending was intended to be entirely metaphorical.  I was afraid of this.

There is simply no basis for "synthesis", if taken literally, to create the type of Shangri-La that Gamble is implying.

His interpretation only makes sense if you take "organic" & "synthetic" & "synthesis" to be metaphors for something.

My take on what he's trying to say...

Organic = Group A
Synthetic = Group B
Synthesis = "Come on people now, smile on your brother, everybody get together, and try to love one another right now."


Like, hey man, synthesis is groovy. Can you dig that?


Wait, if plant life is sentient now. No more weed.

Not groovy for the hippies.


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ShepnTali wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

matthewmi wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

Wulfram wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

To remove boundaries between species. No longer will words like "human" or "turian" or "geth" will set walls between us. Equality, peace.
I think it's beautiful.


But the differences are what make us what we are.

Creatures whose first tought when we encouter a different life form is: "Let's kill it."? (First Contact War, The Morning War)
I think we can afford some changes


Since we've never encountered another truly sentient species...don't know where you're getting this. 


Aren't we discussing the ME Universe here?

Well, you did say 'we' can afford some changes.


QFT exactly what I was trying to say I admit I worded it badly.

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Nyoka wrote...
By the way, this is the only ending that's not simply a solution to the reaper problem, but an action that people would like to take even if the reapers didn't exist. They think the reapers aren't the problem - to them, individual freedom is the problem.


Keep smokin' that good stuff.  People who prefer physically altering everyone to committing mass genocide are real opponents to individual liberty...  

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MisterJB wrote...

To remove boundaries between species. No longer will words like "human" or "turian" or "geth" will set walls between us. Equality, peace.
I think it's beautiful.


The differences between these peoples are not all derived from physical appearance, or "hardware" (as the Geth would say). These classifications are as much social constructs as they are categorical labels. We derive our sense of "self" from both nature and nurture. It is silly to believe that a simple blast of energy can erase all traces of individuality from life, even if everyone becomes similar in appearance.

This is all, of course, assuming you even believed the Catalyst at all. I did not. I saw no evidence for the wild assertions he was making, nor did I find it palatable that all synthetics will inevitably revolt against organics. The notion is ludicrous. As we saw when dealing with the Geth and EDI, truly living synthetics develop a sense of "self". With that "self" comes a certain outlook on life, a certain way of thinking and feeling. It stands to reason that there would be at least a token level of disparity within the synthetic community itself. Legion's referring to himself as "I" is a good indicator of that.

Mr. Gamble's statement is actually even more insulting than the original scenario. His idea that there is nothing left but "life" is utter nonsense. There is no "life" left after Synthesis, not in the way that it existed before. Rather than respecting the chaotic, fractuous nature of life, Synthesis teaches us that we should all become the same if we wish to get along. Bull.

Here's a better idea. Why don't we learn to cope with our differences, and get along because we learned to work past them, and not because we swept them under a sparkly new carpet? Did it ever occur to the Starbrat that the reason sentient synthetics chose hostility toward organics is because organics refused to treat the synthetics as a legitimate form of life? Would the Quarians and Geth not have lived peacefully if the Quarians had not openly attacked their creations?

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Taboo-XX wrote...

ShepnTali wrote...

CmnDwnWrkn wrote...

It's starting to look more and more like the ending was intended to be entirely metaphorical.  I was afraid of this.

There is simply no basis for "synthesis", if taken literally, to create the type of Shangri-La that Gamble is implying.

His interpretation only makes sense if you take "organic" & "synthetic" & "synthesis" to be metaphors for something.

My take on what he's trying to say...

Organic = Group A
Synthetic = Group B
Synthesis = "Come on people now, smile on your brother, everybody get together, and try to love one another right now."


Like, hey man, synthesis is groovy. Can you dig that?


Wait, if plant life is sentient now. No more weed.

Not groovy for the hippies.


Whoa man!  It would be, like....weed with FEELINGS

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It makes me think the ending was written in a vacuum. Devoid of any interference whatsoever.

The miscalculation that I must reiterate is bad.

When I write/direct/produce for the masses I GAUGE WHAT PEOPLE WANT.

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nuculerman wrote...

Nyoka wrote...
By the way, this is the only ending that's not simply a solution to the reaper problem, but an action that people would like to take even if the reapers didn't exist. They think the reapers aren't the problem - to them, individual freedom is the problem.


Keep smokin' that good stuff.  People who prefer physically altering everyone to committing mass genocide are real opponents to individual liberty...  

Hey, at least I don't think my solution is beautiful.

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I really, REALLY hope see this thread.

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CmnDwnWrkn wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

ShepnTali wrote...

CmnDwnWrkn wrote...

It's starting to look more and more like the ending was intended to be entirely metaphorical.  I was afraid of this.

There is simply no basis for "synthesis", if taken literally, to create the type of Shangri-La that Gamble is implying.

His interpretation only makes sense if you take "organic" & "synthetic" & "synthesis" to be metaphors for something.

My take on what he's trying to say...

Organic = Group A
Synthetic = Group B
Synthesis = "Come on people now, smile on your brother, everybody get together, and try to love one another right now."


Like, hey man, synthesis is groovy. Can you dig that?


Wait, if plant life is sentient now. No more weed.

Not groovy for the hippies.


Whoa man!  It would be, like....weed with FEELINGS


You just like......blew my miiiiiiiiiiiind.

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No one has a right to take away freedom or change you, let alone your dna. Also the "final stage of evolution" is complete horse doodoo as there is no final stage. Do peopel forget what Mordin said?What Happen to David?Not listen to Javik? Everything we have in-game points to merge being a horrible choice.

Also I find this whole "you are committing genocide" thing funny. Do people forget that Shepard has killed over thousands of people? How about the fact she wiped out all the Collectors, killing a whole race? Destroying a whole star system. Yet killing all the Reapers is crossing the line? *headdesk*

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Wulfram wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

To remove boundaries between species. No longer will words like "human" or "turian" or "geth" will set walls between us. Equality, peace.
I think it's beautiful.


But the differences are what make us what we are.

 

so simple yet so beautiful... 

Synthesis does not achieve peace because none come to understand the differencs nor to accept them.  

Modifié par nitefyre410, 26 avril 2012 - 07:46 .


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Mr.House wrote...

No one has a right to take away freedom or change you, let alone your dna. Also the "final stage of evolution" is complete horse doodoo as there is no final stage. Do peopel forget what Mordin said?What Happen to David?Not listen to Javik? Everything we have in-game points to merge being a horrible choice.

Also I find this whole "you are committing genocide" thing funny. Do people forget that Shepard as killed over thousands of people? How about the fact she wiped out all the Collectors, killing a whole race, destroying a whole star system. Yes killing all the Reapers is crossing the line? *headdesk*


To the last, Kill them ALL :devil:

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Taboo X X wrote....

Are you serious Bioware? By removing the undesirable elements we can achieve peace? Do you understand the political undertones in this?


This.

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I would have written something like this in grade school.

When I thought it would have been cool to be half robot.

FUUUUUU

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"Combine all synthetic and organic life into a new frame work. A new DNA. Synthesis is the final evolution of life."
That is literally everything the game tells us about 'Synthesis'. That's 114 characters. You could fit that into a single tweet. The concept of 'Synthesis' is established and explained within a single tweet. That's ridiculous.
No reasonable person would ever make a decision that affects all life in the galaxy based on so little and vague information.

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Nyoka wrote...

nuculerman wrote...

Nyoka wrote...
By the way, this is the only ending that's not simply a solution to the reaper problem, but an action that people would like to take even if the reapers didn't exist. They think the reapers aren't the problem - to them, individual freedom is the problem.


Keep smokin' that good stuff.  People who prefer physically altering everyone to committing mass genocide are real opponents to individual liberty...  

Hey, at least I don't think my solution is beautiful.


Well if your response was only in reference to THAT comment, then I apologize.  I agree.  Synthesis be ugly.  Personally I think it's the least ugly of the three, but not by a whole lot.

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Mr.House wrote...

Yes because changing everyone's dna against their will, forcing everyone to be the same and enslaving a whole race is such a good concept. >.>


Plus you are agreeging to the Reapers solution to beleiving you can control teh Reapers. Just plain stupid.


I'm telling you, the metaphorical explanation is the way to go.  You aren't literally synthesizing different races.   You're bringing everyone together in a universe of unconditional love and understanding.

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Gamble's answer seems like something an adult would quickly say to a curious child just to make them shut up and go away.

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"Combine all synthetic and organic life into a new frame work. A new DNA. Synthesis is the final evolution of life."
That is literally everything the game tells us about 'Synthesis'. That's 114 characters. You could fit that into a single tweet. The concept of 'Synthesis' is established and explained within a single tweet. That's ridiculous.
No reasonable person would ever make a decision that affects all life in the galaxy based on so little and vague information.


It's a failure to project information. Even directors who make films with ambigious narratives need to supply information.

Bioware failed pretty badly in this department.

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CmnDwnWrkn wrote...

I'm telling you, the metaphorical explanation is the way to go.  You aren't literally synthesizing different races.   You're bringing everyone together in a universe of unconditional love and understanding.


Making everyone's skin shine green does not a consensus make, young padawan.

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CmnDwnWrkn wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

Yes because changing everyone's dna against their will, forcing everyone to be the same and enslaving a whole race is such a good concept. >.>


Plus you are agreeging to the Reapers solution to beleiving you can control teh Reapers. Just plain stupid.


I'm telling you, the metaphorical explanation is the way to go.  You aren't literally synthesizing different races.   You're bringing everyone together in a universe of unconditional love and understanding.

So what you are saying is that the only way peopel can get along is if we all had the same dna? That destorys one of the key themes of ME series... Unity with the races of the galaxy....

Modifié par Mr.House, 26 avril 2012 - 07:49 .