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Mr.House wrote...

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Yes because changing everyone's dna against their will, forcing everyone to be the same and enslaving a whole race is such a good concept. >.>


Plus you are agreeging to the Reapers solution to beleiving you can control teh Reapers. Just plain stupid.


I'm telling you, the metaphorical explanation is the way to go.  You aren't literally synthesizing different races.   You're bringing everyone together in a universe of unconditional love and understanding.

So what you are saying is that the only way peopel can get along is if we all had the same dna? That destorysone of the key themes of ME series... Unity with the races of the galaxy....


Wait........if we all have the same DNA.

Oh........God.

What happens when we reproduce?

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CmnDwnWrkn wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

Yes because changing everyone's dna against their will, forcing everyone to be the same and enslaving a whole race is such a good concept. >.>


Plus you are agreeging to the Reapers solution to beleiving you can control teh Reapers. Just plain stupid.


I'm telling you, the metaphorical explanation is the way to go.  You aren't literally synthesizing different races.   You're bringing everyone together in a universe of unconditional love and understanding.


Plus you get to end the misery of finding out all your struggles were for basically naught, and the fate of the universe gets decided by a retarded VI that's been trying to manipulate you through posing as a child.  I imagine my shepard jumping in that light and brandishing his middle finger as he falls to death.  If he had religion, he lost it.

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Taboo-XX wrote...
Wait........if we all have the same DNA.

Oh........God.

What happens when we reproduce?

And that's another issue with merge(I refuse to call it by that stupid silly name)

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Mr.House wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...
Wait........if we all have the same DNA.

Oh........God.

What happens when we reproduce?

And that's another issue with merge(I refuse to call it by that stupid silly name)


Cheetahs have this problem. They are all so inbred now one disease among them could decimate their population.

And Shepard's essence is what fuels the Synthesis.

Seriously? Was this just put on paper and given approval?

The failure of logic.......the stupidity.

Modifié par Taboo-XX, 26 avril 2012 - 07:52 .


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I figured out what bioware wanted to do with this game, they listened to fan feedback for the first two games andade changes as such right? The ending was their way of telling us to **** off, this is now their piece and they will no longer implement what we have come to love about the game. This was their way of giving us the finger then telling us If we don't like it don't buy it, which would work if they had idiot fans who are like the call of duty fans, but they don't and they didn't expect this blowback ****storm. But if they wish to drive thier own company into the ground all because of an ending and too much ****en goddamn pride to admit they effed up then bye bye bioware you where awesome while you lasted, and tho you made awesome games, someone will eventually male better ones without a ****ty ending.

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MisterJB wrote...

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To remove boundaries between species. No longer will words like "human" or "turian" or "geth" will set walls between us. Equality, peace.
I think it's beautiful.


Ah, so you like the idea of eliminating diversity and culture. 

On what basis do you claim aht diversity or culture has been eliminated?
All life on Earth is based on DNA but there is diversity. And would you claim that the only way to achieve equality is through the destruction of culture?


I didn't, you did. 

Those 'walls' are what define culture, individuality. Take them away and there is nothing but a huge homologous mass. True equality is one where the walls are acknolwedged and overcome, but still present. 

Not that I think that's what synthesis does.

It.................. makes.........everyone into............... cyborgs? I really don't know. What we DO know is that is apparently stops synthetics from becoming genocidal, and apparently stops organics from creating more synthetics, which solves the Catalyst's grand problem (not that I think it's problem actually exists in Mass Effect, and is just in its imagination).

The only way to achieve that is to rewrite life in general on a basic level, alter thought processes to an unquantifiable degree. That's the unethical part. You're forcing change on people with unknown side effects.

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You can't strip away the "bad parts" without taking some of the individual too, say we assume Synthesis creates lasting peace and all the hybrids lose is the "bad parts" of their respective race or personality. They've still lost something that made them who they were, we don't know everything and we aren't perfect and if we were we wouldn't be what we are.

Would Garrus really be Garrus if he didn't have that agressive and competitive nature?

No he wouldn't he'd be someone else, maybe you say he'd be better than who he is right now. That doesn't change the fact that he's being forced to give up something that defines him, for better or worse.

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Don't try to bring your logic into this, you'll just ruin the magic.

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What I don't get is how can the series say using reaper tech like the relays is bad for evolution and technological advancement, uplifting species like the krogan and forcing their evolution is bad... But go ahead and skip to the "end of evolution" with synthesis through unearned tech. They drive home the idea that whether good or bad we must earn our future on our own terms only to chuck that idea right out the window.


Yes they did. Pretty disgusting.

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adneate wrote...

You can't strip away the "bad parts" without taking some of the individual too, say we assume Synthesis creates lasting peace and all the hybrids lose is the "bad parts" of their respective race or personality. They've still lost something that made them who they were, we don't know everything and we aren't perfect and if we were we wouldn't be what we are.

Would Garrus really be Garrus if he didn't have that agressive and competitive nature?

No he wouldn't he'd be someone else, maybe you say he'd be better than who he is right now. That doesn't change the fact that he's being forced to give up something that defines him, for better or worse.


We need to send the Edmonton offices eight hundred copies of Brave New World.

Uh.

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Mr.House wrote...

CmnDwnWrkn wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

Yes because changing everyone's dna against their will, forcing everyone to be the same and enslaving a whole race is such a good concept. >.>


Plus you are agreeging to the Reapers solution to beleiving you can control teh Reapers. Just plain stupid.


I'm telling you, the metaphorical explanation is the way to go.  You aren't literally synthesizing different races.   You're bringing everyone together in a universe of unconditional love and understanding.

So what you are saying is that the only way peopel can get along is if we all had the same dna? That destorys one of the key themes of ME series... Unity with the races of the galaxy....


No, what I'm saying is, I believe BioWare tried to make the ending into a metaphorical concept/life lesson/after-school special, and did a particularly ineffective job of it.

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Sauruz wrote...

Don't try to bring your logic into this, you'll just ruin the magic.


Guess who doesn't get to use the art defense then?

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Mr.House wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...
Wait........if we all have the same DNA.

Oh........God.

What happens when we reproduce?

And that's another issue with merge(I refuse to call it by that stupid silly name)

 

Stop thinking about it  -  you're doing yourself no good by trying  make sense of the ending.  The implaciation are bad and its best for us to move on... 

Better just create a head canon ending that starts after the Cerebus mission. 

Modifié par nitefyre410, 26 avril 2012 - 07:56 .


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Taboo-XX wrote...
Are you....are you suggesting that the Reapers know more about how the Universe works?

If they were real?
Than we humans?
Yes.

Were they there at the Big Bang?

Doubtful but they are much older than humanity itself and have done far more than any human thus, they are more experienced and knowledgeable.
Not to mention that their capacity to hold information far exceed ours.
 

The Universe functions on a cycle and will until the ultimate fate occurs. Have you ever read anything by Stephen Hawking or Carl Sagan? Do you know that the Universe functions? Hawking has argued that the Universe is indeed geared toward life, but only for a while. Eventually problems will arise and life will be wiped out regardless.

I must admit I did not. However, while I am not intimely familiar with the theories, didn't Hawking also theorize that there could exist societies capable of stopping time right before the End?
Regardless, while the end might be inevitable, why shouldn't we attempt to improve our society in the meantime?

you believe that losing what we are in a literal sense is a good thing? You are no longer human in Synthesis. Or Asari, or turian. You are the offspring of the descision of ONE person. Who has that right to make that descision. Do I? Do you? This is were the political implications set in. Do one being have the right to enforce his will on others? How can you justify this?

Perhaps the "offsprings" will no longer be humans or turians but something derived from it. However, if these new people retain what we normally consider as good; that is, free will, individuality, creativity, etc; while picking up certain improvements from Synthesis which could be anything from physical benefits like the Cerberus troops had to a new outlook on existence since the Catalyst wasn't exactly forthcoming on the results beyond "New DNA", why is this a bad thing?
And why does it matter if this originated in the decision of one single person as long as there are improvements?

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nitefyre410 wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...
Wait........if we all have the same DNA.

Oh........God.

What happens when we reproduce?

And that's another issue with merge(I refuse to call it by that stupid silly name)

 

Stop thinking about it  -  you're doing yourself no good by trying  make sense of the ending.  The implaciation are bad and its best for us to move on... 


The elephant in the room is so big now I have to shoot at it or I will be trampled.

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The Reapers are Thinking they are offering us Heaven by thier twisted illogic

Far Better To Reign In Hell would be Shepard's Response

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Taboo-XX wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

CmnDwnWrkn wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

Yes because changing everyone's dna against their will, forcing everyone to be the same and enslaving a whole race is such a good concept. >.>


Plus you are agreeging to the Reapers solution to beleiving you can control teh Reapers. Just plain stupid.


I'm telling you, the metaphorical explanation is the way to go.  You aren't literally synthesizing different races.   You're bringing everyone together in a universe of unconditional love and understanding.

So what you are saying is that the only way peopel can get along is if we all had the same dna? That destorysone of the key themes of ME series... Unity with the races of the galaxy....


Wait........if we all have the same DNA.

Oh........God.

What happens when we reproduce?


Inbreeding for us all.

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The only reason I still have hope is because guys like Patrick Weekes are working on the ending. He's been consistently respectful and gracious to fans, he's given much more positive information about the EC, and he actually seems like he's listening. The rest of the BW team should take a page from his book for their PR and realize that condescending to us like we're whiners who just want a pony and who are too stupid to grasp the majestic glory that is Synthesis is not going to make us shut up and go away.

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Does anyone remember jade empire's statue ending? It brought peace and prosperity to the empire.

Brainwashing, genewashing.

Modifié par Nyoka, 26 avril 2012 - 07:58 .


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Taboo-XX wrote...

nitefyre410 wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...
Wait........if we all have the same DNA.

Oh........God.

What happens when we reproduce?

And that's another issue with merge(I refuse to call it by that stupid silly name)

 

Stop thinking about it  -  you're doing yourself no good by trying  make sense of the ending.  The implaciation are bad and its best for us to move on... 


The elephant in the room is so big now I have to shoot at it or I will be trampled.

 

I think we are going to need a bigger gun... 

and I don't think they make elephant guns in  wave motion  cannon size. 

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Bioware loses the ability to use the Lovecraftian lore technique when they introduced the Star Child. The Reapers are puppets of a VI/AI that projects in the form of a child.

The Reapers are no longer the mighty Cthulhu, something beyond our comprehension. They are at face value the tools of a machine that presents no evidence to substantiate it's claims.

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Taboo-XX wrote...

Bioware loses the ability to use the Lovecraftian lore technique when they introduced the Star Child. The Reapers are puppets of a VI/AI that projects in the form of a child.

The Reapers are no longer the mighty Cthulhu, something beyond our comprehension. They are at face value the tools of a machine that presents no evidence to substantiate it's claims.


this

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sth88 wrote...

How does Bioware not understand that the diversity between each species is a big part of what makes them all so fascinating? We spent three games exploring and discovering the intricacies of each race, organic and synthetic; we were offered hopes of a future in which synthetics and organics could live in peace AS THEY ARE, without any genetic synthesis!

There was never any problem with there being two different forms of life, Mr. Gamble; we loved them for what they were! And there was no reason to believe that peaceful co-existence between the two wasn't possible! There's no need to merge them!


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Taboo-XX wrote...

Bioware loses the ability to use the Lovecraftian lore technique when they introduced the Star Child. The Reapers are puppets of a VI/AI that projects in the form of a child.

The Reapers are no longer the mighty Cthulhu, something beyond our comprehension. They are at face value the tools of a machine that presents no evidence to substantiate it's claims.

 

LOL... the lost that when we blow Sovereign to dust at the end of ME 1... last I checked you don't kill a Lovecraftian Horror...EVER.

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adneate wrote...

You can't strip away the "bad parts" without taking some of the individual too, say we assume Synthesis creates lasting peace and all the hybrids lose is the "bad parts" of their respective race or personality. They've still lost something that made them who they were, we don't know everything and we aren't perfect and if we were we wouldn't be what we are.

Would Garrus really be Garrus if he didn't have that agressive and competitive nature?

No he wouldn't he'd be someone else, maybe you say he'd be better than who he is right now. That doesn't change the fact that he's being forced to give up something that defines him, for better or worse.


I'd argue yes.  Urges aren't concious.  What makes Garrus Garrus is his ability to decide whether to act on that urge or not.  The human brain is a massivley parallel processor overlaid with a central processing core.  This is what makes us "concious."  This is who we are.  We aren't defined by our genetic code and biases, we're defined by our faculty to reason through those biases and the choices we make as a result.  We're defined by our experiences in the world, and how we've learned from them and reacted as a result.  Without that single "decision making" core, we're just any other animal: without conciousness.

Does that give you the right to strip someone of their genetic biases?  Of course not.  But I still argue it's preferrable to committing mass genocide.