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[Costin_Razvan]

 Smudboy started a series some time go with the purpose of giving an analysis of ME3. He has four videos so far. One about the Intro, another about the plot and finally 2 about the ending ( and he has more to say about that ).

I figured I would post them here since I agree with most of what he is saying.

Bookends of Destruction Part 1

Bookends of Destruction Part 2

Bookends of Destruction Part 3

Bookends of Destruction Part 4

Bookends of Destruction Part 5

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 28 mai 2012 - 03:32 .

[Costin_Razvan]

Bump.

[Iakus]

Cool, the fourth one is out!

[daecath]

It makes me want to laugh and cry at the same time. Cry at all the problems that the game has that it could have been something great. Laugh at how ridiculously bad some of what they did was. Watching that last one was a lot like watching an episode of MST3k.

[Costin_Razvan]

Watching the last one was depressing.

[Sebby]

Smudboy hits the nail on the head when it comes to how horrid ME3's story was and makes me LOL at the fanboys who think it was all peachy until the last 10 minutes.

[DistantUtopia]

Seboist wrote...

Smudboy hits the nail on the head when it comes to how horrid ME3's story was and makes me LOL at the fanboys who think it was all peachy until the last 10 minutes.

I thought ME3's story (ending aside) was "ok" but not earth shattering.  Not gonna win game of the year but not terribad.

Does that make me a fanboi?

*Edit: Goes off to watch the vids*

Modifié par DistantUtopia, 26 avril 2012 - 06:32 .

[Elite Midget]

smudboy is still around?

[Sebby]

DistantUtopia wrote...

Seboist wrote...

Smudboy hits the nail on the head when it comes to how horrid ME3's story was and makes me LOL at the fanboys who think it was all peachy until the last 10 minutes.

I thought ME3's story (ending aside) was "ok" but not earth shattering.  Not gonna win game of the year but not terribad.

Does that make me a fanboi?

*Edit: Goes off to watch the vids*

In your case, no.

[humes spork]

Okay, when within ten minutes of starting a video you're already criticizing an in medias res opening for raising questions, already contradicting your own criticisms, and raising questions that are literally answered by the footage you're displaying as exemplary of the point you raise, you're anything but credible.

"What? I thought there was going to be a trial? Arrival meant nothing? And what's this courtroom doing here? And why is this defense council (who would probably be the ones overseeing if not presiding over high profile hearings and courts-martial, like what would happen if some prominent military member toreass around the galaxy flying terrorist colors and killed 300,000 batarians) here?"

"What? This defense council doesn't have any idea what's going on and they're asking anyone and everyone they can for information in hopes someone has an idea of what to do? And why is Ashley walking out of the courtroom they're in?"

"What happened to Mass Effect 2 (when Cerberus was investigating disappearing colonies because the Alliance wasn't competent or acknowledging the Reaper threat, and this was established, demonstrated and repeated thoroughly throughout the game)? Did those events mean nothing?"

"Shouldn't this distress beacon draw Reaper attention? Why aren't the Reapers doing anything about it? And where did all these Reaper forces come from en masse not thirty seconds after turning on the distress beacon and why are they here of all places?"

"Why doesn't Shepard have any idea what's going on? Why can't he strategize or come up with an idea for resisting the Reapers? Is he stupid? And why is Anderson staying behind on Earth to strategize and come up with an idea for resisting the Reapers? Is he stupid?"

Modifié par humes spork, 26 avril 2012 - 06:43 .

[Costin_Razvan]

humes spork wrote...

Okay, when within ten minutes of starting a video you're already criticizing an in medias res opening for raising questions, already contradicting your own criticisms, and raising questions that are literally answered by the footage you're displaying as exemplary of the point you raise, you're anything but credible.

I am not the one who made the videos, so you're comment is wasted here.

 
smudboy is still around? 

I believe he is banned from BSN, but he still has been posting on youtube.

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 26 avril 2012 - 06:39 .

[sammysoso]

While he is a little nitpicky, and apparently does not seem able to "suspend disbelief" he raises really good points.

It's kinda depressing, maybe ignorance really is bliss

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

While I find some parts a bit nickpicky. I liked his part 2 where he basicly explains why Cerberus as the primary opposing force is silly.

Modifié par Lizardviking, 26 avril 2012 - 06:40 .

[Aeowyn]

Personally I think his analysis is great and he raises some very valid points. Going to watch the 4th part now.

[humes spork]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

I am not the one who made the videos, so you're comment is wasted here.

Yet here you are, shoveling it anyways.

[obtuse4ngle]

humes spork wrote...

Okay, when within ten minutes of starting a video you're already criticizing an in medias res opening for raising questions, already contradicting your own criticisms, and raising questions that are literally answered by the footage you're displaying as exemplary of the point you raise, you're anything but credible.

In media res can work but not quite for this series. ME3 is a game, not a movie or a book. Games work better when the gamer knows more than the character, NEVER the other way around.

Compare the beginning of ME1 to the beginning of ME3: In both games, the gamer is dropped into the middle of the story. Shepard knows what's going on, the gamer does not. However, in ME1, we get the "Investigate" option as soon as we speak to Nihlus and nobody hands Shepard a gun at onset. ME3 does not give that option. So if you're a player completely new to the universe, you're not even sure how the universe works--let alone how to navigate--and you're supposed to be using a character who knows. To fix this beginning, all the devs needed to do was add an "Investigate" when you're talking to Anderson or Ash at the beginning, and allow the gamer full control over Shepard for 2 secs before s/he steps into the courtroom.

humes spork wrote...

"What? I thought there was going to be a trial? Arrival meant nothing? And what's this courtroom doing here? And why is this defense council (who would probably be the ones overseeing if not presiding over high profile hearings and courts-martial, like what would happen if some prominent military member toreass around the galaxy flying terrorist colors and killed 300,000 batarians) here?"

I think the point he's trying to make is that there's no reason Shepard's trail should be on Earth. S/he committed crimes in space and the Alliance is headquartered in Arcturus Station. Why is Shepard in Vancouver and not Arcturus Station?

humes spork wrote...

"What happened to Mass Effect 2 (when Cerberus was investigating disappearing colonies because the Alliance wasn't competent or acknowledging the Reaper threat, and this was established, demonstrated and repeated thoroughly throughout the game)? Did those events mean nothing?"

Cerberus suddenly undergoes a organizational vision change in ME3 and all the writers did was handwave it by saying "oh, the boss's indoctrinated." That was weak.

humes spork wrote...

"Shouldn't this distress beacon draw Reaper attention? Why aren't the Reapers doing anything about it? And where did all these Reaper forces come from en masse not thirty seconds after turning on the distress beacon and why are they here of all places?"

smudboy is a bit picky here.

humes spork wrote...

"Why doesn't Shepard have any idea what's going on? Why can't he strategize or come up with an idea for resisting the Reapers? Is he stupid? And why is Anderson staying behind on Earth to strategize and come up with an idea for resisting the Reapers? Is he stupid?"

I did wonder why Anderson stayed on Earth. What did he think he, tiny human as he is, could do against the giant Reapers?

Also, Shepard presents skepticism at the Crucible at the beginning; yet s/he doesn't challenge it or come up with new ideas based on what s/he has learned about the Reapers throughout the trilogy. So yes, in this aspect, Shepard is stupid. S/he is a high-level military person but s/he can't come up with anything? So that's why there's so many idiots running the Alliance!

[Elite Midget]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

humes spork wrote...

Okay, when within ten minutes of starting a video you're already criticizing an in medias res opening for raising questions, already contradicting your own criticisms, and raising questions that are literally answered by the footage you're displaying as exemplary of the point you raise, you're anything but credible.

I am not the one who made the videos, so you're comment is wasted here.

 
smudboy is still around? 

I believe he is banned from BSN, but he still has been posting on youtube.

I see, so they actually perma-banned the poor guy? A shame that the trolls got their way, though I can see why Bioware didn't care since he points where they messed up.

Sorta like how I was banned from BSN due to mass reporting and people spamming pictures in my variables debate topic. Funny how those that got me temp banned have done a 180 when I turned out right.

Modifié par Elite Midget, 26 avril 2012 - 07:00 .

[Sebby]

Elite Midget wrote...

Funny how those that got me temp banned have done a 180 when I turned out right.

That's what happens when overgrown man-children stop recieving a metaphorical hand job from the game and have to deal with the bad writing and game design that others like myself have been pointing out for a long time.

[NoUserNameHere]

My problem with this guy is that he tends to go plot point for plot point, then describe every last possible way this could conceivably be construed as a plot hole. Other critiques tend to pick their battles -- the nerd rage guy is certainly able to suspend disbelief and focus on the big problems.

[Elite Midget]

Seboist wrote...

Elite Midget wrote...

Funny how those that got me temp banned have done a 180 when I turned out right.

That's what happens when overgrown man-children stop recieving a metaphorical hand job from the game and have to deal with the bad writing and game design that others like myself have been pointing out for a long time.

I just pinned it that they were desperate and wanted to believe in lies than the truth. They didn't believe me that EA would have a great effect on how Mass Effect 3 would turn out and the mistreatment of all the ME2 squad but Tali/Garrus.

[Ultai]

Every now and then he's nitpicky, but still good points. Going to watch the 4th one and see how he tears apart Priority: Earth.

[TMA LIVE]

Part 4: I admit I agree with a lot of his comments on London, and all the errors.

Though about why the Conduit wasn't used. Well, in a past vid he thinks the Citadel locked all the relays. If that was true, doesn't that mean we can't get to Ilos?

Then again, I have no idea if the Relays are locked. I'm under the impression they aren't, for whatever the reason.

[xsdob]

Why do all vidoes against the endings have to be longer than 20 minutes? There's not much to say about the subject that after 10 minutes does not just become highly repetitive and inconsequential to the argument.

That's just something that really pisses me off, at least throw in something humorus along the way like penn and teller do for their show bull****.

That's pretty much the only complaint I got, everyone else please enjoy the 4 part video college lesson on the endings of a video game.

Modifié par xsdob, 26 avril 2012 - 07:53 .

[lordofdogtown19]

Got a little crazy with some stuff (like the fleets flying past Jupiter) but still raised some good points

[GuilleCuba]

now I see it!!! to kill reapers we only need cains!!!!