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[Costin_Razvan]

Smudboy released his final video on ME3...well final I guess until the Extended Cut..urgh it hurt to watch it, not because of his commentary though but because it is painful to watch all the stupidity in the ending neatly laid out.

[StElmo]

No fiction should be analyzed this much, unfortunately, once you do something really confusing, like ME3's ending your asking for this much analasys and you better hope it's water tight.

[o Ventus]

StElmo wrote...

No fiction should be analyzed this much, unfortunately, once you do something really confusing, like ME3's ending your asking for this much analasys and you better hope it's water tight.

No analysis defeats one of the main purposes of a story.

I'm sorry, but that statement was stupid.

[Confused-Shepard]

As much as I hate Smudboy, his pretentious pseudo-intellectual style commentary and the fact want to stuff him headfirst into a toilet he is COMPLETELY correct with his latest video. I like how for all the questions he was asking the fans had one simple answer: Indoctrination!

[Esquin]

Smudboy is a pretentious fool that usually goes well and truly over the top. He makes many arguments based more on his own ignorance than in actual errors in story telling. And when he finally does discuss the ending he ignores all the things that really matter. He talks about the same issues that were raised at the start and uses big words to make himself sound deep. But forgets the real issues.

There was no closure and no sense of accomplishment.

[Baa Baa]

Although he puts up many good points he comes off as kind of a selfish ass hole at times.
The only thing I majorly disagree with in his latest vid is that he says, "Mass Effect 2 is just a big waste of time."
I could never believe such monstrosity!

[squee365]

There is no reason to discuss ME3's ending for more than an hour. He did an hour and a half.
Why even bother watching?

[G Kevin]

jreezy wrote...

Baa Baa wrote...
The only thing I majorly disagree with in his latest vid is that he says, "Mass Effect 2 is just a big waste of time."

Because it pretty much is.

Meh.

It shifted the focus to characters and made us care about them more.

To me, the characters came first over the story after Mass Effect 2 and suddenly putting them back in Mass Effect 3 is disappointing.

[Baa Baa]

jreezy wrote...

Baa Baa wrote...
The only thing I majorly disagree with in his latest vid is that he says, "Mass Effect 2 is just a big waste of time."

Because it pretty much is.

I thought it was the best Mass Effect game. Almost every character in it is interesting. Your decisions matter and the game is highly addicting. I can understand people saying that the plot of ME2 was pointless, it might as well had never happened, but the game is definetly not a waste of time. It's an incredible experience. Plus nothing beats that sense of victory at the end.

[Costin_Razvan]

Pretty much this. Most of what you do in ME2 has little relevance to ME3, it comes down to Mordin's loyalty mission ( not Mordin himself ), Tali and Legion who have a real impact besides some EMS score boost.

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 29 mai 2012 - 09:39 .

[legion999]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

Pretty much this. Most of what you do in ME2 has little relevance to ME3, it comes down to Mordin's loyalty mission ( not Mordin himself ), Tali and Legion who have a real impact besides some EMS score boost.

Don't forget the very important Collector Base decision. Which was very important. Very.

[goofyomnivore]

He nitpicks quite a bit true. However he also questions/analyzes the major problems pretty well. I've always liked his videos personally.

[Aeowyn]

Esquin wrote...

Smudboy is a pretentious fool that usually goes well and truly over the top. He makes many arguments based more on his own ignorance than in actual errors in story telling. And when he finally does discuss the ending he ignores all the things that really matter. He talks about the same issues that were raised at the start and uses big words to make himself sound deep. But forgets the real issues.

There was no closure and no sense of accomplishment.

You never actually watched the video, did you?

[Necrotron]

strive wrote...

He nitpicks quite a bit true. However he also questions/analyzes the major problems pretty well. I've always liked his videos personally.

He does get a little nitpicky at times, but he also brings up a lot of good points regarding why people didn't like the ending and the way many players experienced it.

[fongiel24]

Smudboy makes some good points but I wish he wouldn't keep getting sidetracked and sucked into the details.

For example, his analysis of the scene where the fleet jumps out of the Charon relay and takes on the Reapers was unnecessary and nitpicking in the extreme. I doubt there's that many people who were bothered that much by the depiction of the battle. In pretty much any visual medium you'll see the creators take some liberties to make things look better. If that battle scene was completely lore and physics friendly, we'd be watching the allied fleet slugging it out with the Reapers from thousands of miles away in complete silence. Some allowances do have to be made to keep the game entertaining and visually stimulating. 

While I agreed with his points about the three ME games being disjointed in terms of continuity and failing to acknowledge important plot events as the series unfolded, I didn't agree with his criticism of ME3 for starting in medias res. You get that in pretty much any sequel, whether it's a game, movie or book. Lord of the Rings and Star Wars wouldn't make much sense if you started in the middle. It's not the job of a sequel to hold your hand. If you don't like being in the dark, go back and play through the first two games.

I also wouldn't agree that Arrival didn't serve a purpose - it establishes why Shepard is under house arrest at the beginning of ME3 and not at the helm of the Normandy. While it would have been nice to see what happened between Hackett debriefing Shepard in the med bay in ME2 and Shepard telling James he's not supposed to salute him anymore in ME3, it's not strictly necessary. It should be relatively simple to make the connection that sometime between Arrival and ME3, Shepard came back to the Alliance, was forced to answer for his actions, and was then relieved of command. 

[PsyrenY]

*applauds humes spork*

That is all.

[Dark_Caduceus]

Confused-Shepard wrote...

As much as I hate Smudboy, his pretentious pseudo-intellectual style commentary and the fact want to stuff him headfirst into a toilet he is COMPLETELY correct with his latest video. I like how for all the questions he was asking the fans had one simple answer: Indoctrination!

What makes him pretentious or "pseudo-intellectual"? I'm almost certain he's stated that he went to school as a literary editor; his intelligence in the matter is genuine.

Modifié par Dark_Caduceus, 30 mai 2012 - 05:47 .

[Dark_Caduceus]

Opsrbest wrote...

Dark_Caduceus wrote...

Confused-Shepard wrote...

As much as I hate Smudboy, his pretentious pseudo-intellectual style commentary and the fact want to stuff him headfirst into a toilet he is COMPLETELY correct with his latest video. I like how for all the questions he was asking the fans had one simple answer: Indoctrination!

What makes him pretentious or "pseudo-intellectual"? I'm almost certain he's stated that he went to school as a literary editor; his intelligence in the matter is genuine.

He articulates himself very poorly within the last 30 minutes of the video. Actually he does that through out his entire series.

But he still raises valid points.

Does he? Could you provide some examples?

[Dark_Caduceus]

Baa Baa wrote...

jreezy wrote...

Baa Baa wrote...
The only thing I majorly disagree with in his latest vid is that he says, "Mass Effect 2 is just a big waste of time."

Because it pretty much is.

I thought it was the best Mass Effect game. Almost every character in it is interesting. Your decisions matter and the game is highly addicting. I can understand people saying that the plot of ME2 was pointless, it might as well had never happened, but the game is definetly not a waste of time. It's an incredible experience. Plus nothing beats that sense of victory at the end.

It's a waste of time relative to the over arching plot of Mass Effect. As Smudboy said; "The goal of ME1 was discovering the Reaper threat, the goal of ME3 was stopping the Reaper threat, the goal of ME2 is to faff about".

The goal of ME2 should have been preparing for the Reaper threat; building alliances, discovering the Crucible, upgrading technology, raising awareness of the imminent threat. The characters were great sure, but that's immaterial to the plot of the story.

Instead we prepare for the Reaper threat for the first 85% of ME3 then hastily scramble to stop them for the last fraction of the game; and we all know the result of that - A cobbled together mess of an ending which misses the main tone/theme of the story, makes ME1 pretty much irrelevant and doesn't even offer closure for those characters which were pretty much the only redeeming characteristic of ME2.

[fr33stylez]

Dark_Caduceus wrote...

Baa Baa wrote...

jreezy wrote...

Baa Baa wrote...
The only thing I majorly disagree with in his latest vid is that he says, "Mass Effect 2 is just a big waste of time."

Because it pretty much is.

I thought it was the best Mass Effect game. Almost every character in it is interesting. Your decisions matter and the game is highly addicting. I can understand people saying that the plot of ME2 was pointless, it might as well had never happened, but the game is definetly not a waste of time. It's an incredible experience. Plus nothing beats that sense of victory at the end.

It's a waste of time relative to the over arching plot of Mass Effect. As Smudboy said; "The goal of ME1 was discovering the Reaper threat, the goal of ME3 was stopping the Reaper threat, the goal of ME2 is to faff about".

The goal of ME2 should have been preparing for the Reaper threat; building alliances, discovering the Crucible, upgrading technology, raising awareness of the imminent threat. The characters were great sure, but that's immaterial to the plot of the story.

Instead we prepare for the Reaper threat for the first 85% of ME3 then hastily scramble to stop them for the last fraction of the game; and we all know the result of that - A cobbled together mess of an ending which misses the main tone/theme of the story, makes ME1 pretty much irrelevant and doesn't even offer closure for those characters which were pretty much the only redeeming characteristic of ME2.

Exactly. By the start of ME3, the Reapers are here and you have absolutely NO idea on how to stop them...but wait...Liara finds the superweapon to defeat the Reapers...on Mars nonetheless.

The sad part is, what else could've have Bioware done? If they didn't kill/resurrect Shepard at the beginning of ME2 and have the council completely deny the Reaper threat AGAIN, maybe we could've developed ways on how to beat the Reapers. Instead ME2 was a very big side mission, with a secondary antogonist that to date, I have no idea what they were trying to accomplish (Human-Reaper?).

ME2 was more of an instant gratification game - you felt awesome after completing it because you kicked ass. But plotwise, you're in the exact same position you were at the end of ME1.

Modifié par fr33stylez, 30 mai 2012 - 06:32 .