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#126
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Zaraki kanzaki wrote...

Tecco wrote...

Hey Guys! I just found a whole army of Protheans while probing random planets i a random starsystem, They will come and save the day!

hey people! i've killed all the quarians in the galaxy but they're still in my squad and they're not angry with me! PLEASE!


Hey everyone! I just made peace with all the geth. Wait why are we still fighting them?

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Draining Dragon wrote...

Zaraki kanzaki wrote...

before posting, if you're not agre with this thread please don't start to comment


Uh, no. That's not how it works. You don't get to just disregard the opinions of everybody who disagrees with you.

And I know some people hate the idea that multiplayer should be limited by lore, but it should be. This is basically stretching out the entire Mass Effect plotline and picking it apart.


Sure, we can have a Prothean in multiplayer!

A Prothean.

One.

Because he's the last one left alive.

So only one person in the entire world gets to use him at any given time.

I can support that idea.

#128
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I don't think this is something to make a petition about.

#129
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Xx_Belzak_xX wrote...

I agree, a prothean would be awesome. These people that cry "but lore!" forget 1 tiny thing: Javik. Had Bioware not introduced Javik, your argument would be valid. But the mere fact that he exists nullifies your argument. By introducing just ONE protean in single player, Bioware has opened the door for more protheans. So again Lore'ites: your arguments are invalid.

That doesn't make any sense. By introducing just ONE prothean into single player, and placing emphasis throughout his entire story on the fact that he was the last, BioWare in fact shut the door on more protheans. The only possible way around this is by some contrived story about bringing new ones into being. The possibilities I've seen put forward by the fanbase, at their worst, undermine even further the menace of the reapers by supposing there were even more survivors, and at their best, simply undo all emotional weight that Javik's story contains by positing a successful effort in cloning more protheans.

And on a related note to a poster above you, single player and multiplayer are often separate entities. But they aren't here. BioWare went out of their way, whether you like it or not (I personally do), to incorporate the lore of the single player into the multiplayer, and vice versa, through the war assets and the N7 squad and so on.

Once more, relatedly, I think there are legitimate questions raised about the geth, both friendly and hostile, and the implications therein for the lore. Why are their friendly geth? Does the presence of geth and quarians fighting alongside each other in the MP canonize the peaceful Rannoch outcome? Then why are they still able to fight geth alongside one another? Do some pockets of hostile geth still remain? Does this all take place before the Rannoch situation and the playable geth are autonomous platforms? I'm not sure these questions have been answered (have they? I haven't looked into it too much), but we can imagine plausable answers to them that don't seriously undermine any of the major plot points or characters in the main story.

The presence of a ton of protheans, on the other hand, would unavoidably do that.

#130
Zaraki kanzaki

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SergeantCelery wrote...

Zaraki kanzaki wrote...

Tecco wrote...

Hey Guys! I just found a whole army of Protheans while probing random planets i a random starsystem, They will come and save the day!

hey people! i've killed all the quarians in the galaxy but they're still in my squad and they're not angry with me! PLEASE!


Hey everyone! I just made peace with all the geth. Wait why are we still fighting them?

so it's possible to add prothean and the reason is that MP is divided from SP

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Draining Dragon wrote...

Zaraki kanzaki wrote...

before posting, if you're not agre with this thread please don't start to comment


Uh, no. That's not how it works. You don't get to just disregard the opinions of everybody who disagrees with you.

And I know some people hate the idea that multiplayer should be limited by lore, but it should be. This is basically stretching out the entire Mass Effect plotline and picking it apart.


...because hand-waving a few more protheans in stasis would be so damaging to the lore.

#132
Zaraki kanzaki

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In all honesty i think people who don't want them are plain stupid.

I'm sorry but there's no other race/class left in the lore that can be added. And to top it all off the only prothean we know is cool as ****.

If anything should be added to MP it should be Protheans.

thank you for support :D nice blue alien :D

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Zaraki kanzaki

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Xx_Belzak_xX wrote...

I agree, a prothean would be awesome. These people that cry "but lore!" forget 1 tiny thing: Javik. Had Bioware not introduced Javik, your argument would be valid. But the mere fact that he exists nullifies your argument. By introducing just ONE protean in single player, Bioware has opened the door for more protheans. So again Lore'ites: your arguments are invalid.

thank you for support :)

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If we get Protheans (which would be awesome) we should get Collecors as well :D

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Geakker wrote...

If we get Protheans (which would be awesome) we should get Collecors as well :D


I agree with this, and a team of Protheans against Collectors would be cool.

#136
Zaraki kanzaki

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Geakker wrote...

If we get Protheans (which would be awesome) we should get Collecors as well :D

yeah in fact it was my idea to suggest bioware, link inside my sign

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Zaraki kanzaki

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NinthGeorgesw wrote...

Geakker wrote...

If we get Protheans (which would be awesome) we should get Collecors as well :D


I agree with this, and a team of Protheans against Collectors would be cool.

the acient war <3

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Quit bringing lore into mp STFU protheans for multiplayer and collectors for enemies

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People need to read my arguements instead of just saying no like they havent got the ability to read.

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I just made a Prothean group to support this (look to bottom of post)

#141
Zaraki kanzaki

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Wesus wrote...

People need to read my arguements instead of just saying no like they havent got the ability to read.

read it

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Oh Christ, that is a dreadful, dreadful idea. The whole point of Javik's existence was the tragedy that he was the last Prothean alive, and the game itself drills that into you over and over. Having them be playable in multiplayer would just annihilate that.

Things like the Geth and the Batarians fighting on the same side as the other forces can be explained and make sense in the lore. The Batarians are getting desparate and want to see the Reapers go down as much as anyone, so they've grudgingly entered into the allied forces. Same with the Geth; we can picture plausible answers for why mobile platforms are now not only working alongside the allies, but are fighting other Geth units. The storyline up to this point has taken all that into account and let us form our own conclusions. With Protheans, however, the plot itself has excluded any possibility of more of them surviving and being part of the N7 forces.

I know some people say multiplayer doesn't have to follow the lore, but I have yet to hear one good reason why that should be ("because it would be kewl" is NOT a good reason), and that sentiment is in fact flat-out contradictory to Bioware's own intentions with the multiplayer. From the beginning the multiplayer has been stated to be taking place within the same timeframe as ME3, and your efforts count towards the single-player game. The two are heavily intertwined in terms of lore. Otherwise they might as well have made it an entirely separate game and come up with any bats*** bonkers idea they wanted.

Modifié par BD Manchild, 30 avril 2012 - 03:07 .


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Lore is gonna kill any good add ons multiplayer could quit if you care about lore play sp

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Zaraki kanzaki

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BD Manchild wrote...

Oh Christ, that is a dreadful, dreadful idea. The whole point of Javik's existence was the tragedy that he was the last Prothean alive, and the game itself drills that into you over and over. Having them be playable in multiplayer would just annihilate that.

Things like the Geth and the Batarians fighting on the same side as the other forces can be explained and make sense in the lore. The Batarians are getting desparate and want to see the Reapers go down as much as anyone, so they've grudgingly entered into the allied forces. Same with the Geth; we can picture plausible answers for why mobile platforms are now not only working alongside the allies, but are fighting other Geth units. The storyline up to this point has taken all that into account and let us form our own conclusions. With Protheans, however, the plot itself has excluded any possibility of more of them surviving and being part of the N7 forces.

I know some people say multiplayer doesn't have the follow the lore, but I have yet to hear one good reason why that should be, and that sentiment is in fact flat-out contradictory to Bioware's own intentions with the multiplayer. From the beginning the multiplayer has been stated to be taking place within the same timeframe as ME3, and your efforts count towards the single-player game. The two are heavily intertwined in terms of lore. Otherwise they might as well have made it an entirely separate game and come up with any bats*** bonkers idea they wanted.

as i wrote in the first page, if you're not agree you could abvoid this thread and go supporting the old lore of BW or ME or what you want, but please, it's not important what BW said about MP because currently is confuted by the introduction of geth and batharian, so people should resign onesef to that

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Zaraki kanzaki wrote...
as i wrote in the first page, if you're not agree you could abvoid this thread and go supporting the old lore of BW or ME or what you want, but please, it's not important what BW said about MP because currently is confuted by the introduction of geth and batharian, so people should resign onesef to that


If people didn't want to hear opinions that don't agree with theirs, then they shouldn't have bothered to post them on a public forum and allow people to vote on the matter.

And as I pointed out, the presence of Geth and Batarian characters CAN be justified in the lore. The presence of Protheans CAN'T, not without undoing everything the series has established up to that point.

Modifié par BD Manchild, 30 avril 2012 - 03:15 .


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Zaraki kanzaki wrote...

BD Manchild wrote...

Things like the Geth and the Batarians fighting on the same side as the other forces can be explained and make sense in the lore. The Batarians are getting desparate and want to see the Reapers go down as much as anyone, so they've grudgingly entered into the allied forces. Same with the Geth; we can picture plausible answers for why mobile platforms are now not only working alongside the allies, but are fighting other Geth units. The storyline up to this point has taken all that into account and let us form our own conclusions. With Protheans, however, the plot itself has excluded any possibility of more of them surviving and being part of the N7 forces.

as i wrote in the first page, if you're not agree you could abvoid this thread and go supporting the old lore of BW or ME or what you want, but please, it's not important what BW said about MP because currently is confuted by the introduction of geth and batharian, so people should resign onesef to that

Since you didn't care to read the part of his post that responded to that point, I've narrowed it down to the relevant portion.

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I'm guessing if they become playable in MP, it'll be accompanied by a SP DLC centering around the Protheans.

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BD Manchild wrote...

Zaraki kanzaki wrote...
as i wrote in the first page, if you're not agree you could abvoid this thread and go supporting the old lore of BW or ME or what you want, but please, it's not important what BW said about MP because currently is confuted by the introduction of geth and batharian, so people should resign onesef to that


If people didn't want to hear opinions that don't agree with theirs, then they shouldn't have bothered to post them on a public forum and allow people to vote on the matter.

And as I pointed out, the presence of Geth and Batarian characters CAN be justified in the lore. The presence of Protheans CAN'T, not without undoing everything the series has established up to that point.

lore has no place in mp

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jpraelster93 wrote...

lore has no place in mp

First of all, you keep asserting that without any justification. Care to back that up with reasons? For instance, I say it does in this instance because it appeals to the RPG fan, for whom consistency and story are important, and coincidentally, makes up the bulk of the fanbase for ME and BioWare more generally.

And that's putting aside the fact that BioWare already went out of their way to incorporate lore in MP, which you seem content to ignore as well.

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I am all for protheans in multiplayer. I really don't get why somebody would argue against adding more content to the game. As the creators of the Mass Effect universe, Bioware can add lore as they see fit. Just as if you read a book, it may state that an elf has not been seen for millions of years and they are thought to be extinct, then BOOM! A magical bridge of light appears and elves return to the world. Does it really matter, Mordin can recreate Javik's DNA.

Just because something is thought to be extinct, doesn't mean that it actually is.