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[RocketManSR2]

lordnyx1 wrote...

Nope should have been in the game to start with.

^This

[DirtySHISN0]

Creepter wrote...

I would've been willing to pay extra for a new ending if Bioware just came out and admitted that they made a mistake the first time and were willing to rework it.

And I'm sure I'm not alone in those feelings.

This, the first step to recovery is admitting there is a problem.

Something reasonable though, i wouldnt pay shadowbroker style points considering it should have been something the game did well in the first place.

Modifié par DirtySHISN0, 26 avril 2012 - 11:06 .

[MzAdventure]

Creepter wrote...

I would've been willing to pay extra for a new ending if Bioware just came out and admitted that they made a mistake the first time and were willing to rework it.

And I'm sure I'm not alone in those feelings.

Mostly this.  .

[ShepnTali]

Would've paid for a 'starboy, what starboy?'. But that isn't happening.

[Kajan451]

Guanxii wrote...

but rather than be palmed off with what they can cobble together under the circumstances wouldn't you rather pay for a proper expansion with new voice acting and gameplay, etc?

No. I let them scam me into buying 3 games and various DLCs under the impression that my choices truely matter and now you want me to give them even more money?

*laughs* Yeah, right.

Guanxii wrote...


Wouldn't you rather give BioWare the opportunity to bring the games' closing sequence closer to what they originally intended with war-assets and cameos and such rather than settle for this?

I give them that opportunity by being still here. I care enough about Bioware to give them the chance to set it right. If we'd talk any other, maybe except for Stardock, Bethaseda and Cd Project, i would actually have written off this carwreck of a game and moved on.

Its because i care about them i give them the chance to set it right, to make good on the stuff they kept promising. The stuff they said it would be in the game. If they don't deliever, i am moving on. I don't care how the finance this.

People don't show up at my doorstep and say "Listen, you done some contract work for us, and you didn't do what you said you were doing. So here is more money, so you can set it right". Actually i i am failing my contract and don't deliever on what i tell my customers they will get, they actually stick a lawyer on me. Something i have contemplated, even discussed with mine in Biowares case (no, it didn't cost me money to do so, i have to have legal aid for my regular work anyway).

The point is people don't care to say "oh yeah, lets wait half a year till you might or might not provide with what you said you'd deliever" and they certainly wouldn't give me more money for it. So lets cut this act.

Bioware doesn't get another cent of mine. They got my money... i bought 3 games, various DLCs and i don't care how they fix it. If they don't fix it, well i don't need them. If they fix it... for old times sake i am going to say "okay, you came around, i won't forget you did that, but at least you set it right"

Either way.. by even being here i am extending Bioware a curtsey not many people in the buisness world get. Its something reserved for Bankers and the few odd companies that apperently seem to be the only ones that get jail free cards when they screw up. The rest of us is out of a job if we do that.

Guanxii wrote...



IMO BioWare should budget what they really need to make this happen and charge accordingly for it [within reason]. The question is how would a paid EC differ... would it be worth it... could it be justified? What would you pay for/it?

Right when it was released i said "i'd pay money for the Extended Cut". I actually really wanted Mass Effect to have the ending it deserved. Now, a couple months later.. i don't care anymore. To me its all about the future. Can i trust Bioware or can i not.

Can i trust them to deliever quality? Can i trust them when they make promises? Can i trust any word they say? Are they are bunch of crooks that just want to scam my money, or are they really artists concerned about their repution and providing good and quality storytelling?

At this point it doesn't matter to me anymore what the Extended Cut contains. I hope they set it right, of course, i really want them to do it. But i can't unknow what has happened. There is no turning back to the day before i reached the end.. and the month afterwards when it once again was the "customers" fault. Combined with hallow PR tactics and the same old "we listen" crap. Yeah, i know they listen, but i also know they don't care.

So yeah, sorry. They waited to long. If they'd charge for the DLC now, they'd not see a dime from me. I simply would have my questions answered and pack my things and go.

They give us the extended cut for free... thus i am willing to listen to what they have to offer. Its really about the future for me. Do i want to remain a customer of Bioware or do i not.

I certainly won't give them more money and reward them for scamming me in the first place.

[Creepter]

DirtySHISN0 wrote...

Creepter wrote...

I would've been willing to pay extra for a new ending if Bioware just came out and admitted that they made a mistake the first time and were willing to rework it.

And I'm sure I'm not alone in those feelings.

This, the first step to recovery is admitting there is a problem.

Something reasonable though, i wouldnt pay shadowbroker style points considering it should have been something the game did well in the first place.

I mean, obviously there would be more to it then just "okay, take my money and fix it".
The trust would still be broken for a long time but as long as they admitted that they screwed up then I would be willing to listen.

And I'm not too sure about the pricing. I probably would be hesistant to pay as much as a reguarly big expansion DLC pack but I'd be willing to pay SOMETHING.


But alas... they won't admit a thing. Pride is killing yet another great developer.

[Goaliebot]

The EC DLC is an investment in better sales of future other paid DLC and future ME games. How many of us have gone from "I'll buy anything and everything ME from Bioware!" before Starchild to a stance now of either "they'll never get another cent from me unless they fix this" or "I'd only buy ME/Bioware games in the future very hesitantly and only after good word-of-mouth from other fans"?

Of course, if they stick with the supposed "we're not changing the endings but will give you some cut scenes to prove the endings were actually awesome" then I don't even know what this all was for,

And yes, I too would pay for a "Director's Cut" that added more side missions, let us have ME2 characters in our squads, and completely re-wrote the final chapter and ending. AFTER I waited for fan reviews on here of course (and provided they were good).

[Taboo]

ahandsomeshark wrote...

it's not free out of the goodness of their hearts. It's free because they're trying to salvage their customer base/brand. Which is damaged because of their own actions.

[RockSW]

Deuterium_Dawn wrote...

They should have delivered on their promises in the first place and we wouldn't have this problem.

[daecath]

I'm a forgiving person. Admit you screwed up, and that in order to fix it the DLC will cost money. I'll buy it, assuming it's an actual fix and not "clarity". I'd rather pay for a good ending than get a free ending that is just more suckage.

[Goaliebot]

I'm reminded of someone many considered a genius. Someone who created something great.

That something was a success for a while, but later stagnated and fell apart dramatically. Why? Because the smart guy who created it let it go to his head and over time had cut out everyone who used to challenge him, question him, or push him on decisions. People who would show him other points of view, other things he hadn't considered, other thoughts and approaches.

Once he'd hit that initial success, it went to his head and he got rid of those people. Surrounded himself with yes-men because he had decided he was the sole genius and mind that had created the thing. He needed no one else, especially not people who argued with him.

But it meant his vision was limited, his viewpoints narrowed badly. So after a while of being surrounded with yes-men, things began to fall apart. It spiraled and everything disintegrated. Genius guy has not ever, to my knowledge, realize what he'd done wrong and instead has blamed the fans and other external sources.

A smart person or even duo cannot do it all on their own. They need good people who challenge them, question them, call them out, and won't accept bull. If initial success leads them to get rid of these other people, inevitably it all falls apart.


We all need to learn it. Especially creators of fiction universes fans come to know and love.

Modifié par Goaliebot, 26 avril 2012 - 11:29 .

[Deemz]

I will gladly mail them 20 to 30 dollars for the EC if it is good and 10 if I still don't care for it. I don't really care for the ending we have now and I realize they did work hard at it.

[Guanxii]

daecath wrote...

I'm a forgiving person. Admit you screwed up, and that in order to fix it the DLC will cost money. I'll buy it, assuming it's an actual fix and not "clarity". I'd rather pay for a good ending than get a free ending that is just more suckage.

That's is exactly what i'm afriad of. If end really does suck hard because it's a free dlc [i mean Firewalker Bad] it could kill off the entire franchise and most of BioWare's remaining fan base. It could do even more damage. If my $10-15 could save BioWare from heading off the top of the proverbial cliff into the abyss they can have it.

[alpha54]

OP is right. All this will propagate is the idea that if you whine enough, you'll get free stuff. What a great direction for society to be heading in.

[The Spamming Troll]

im not buying it.

you kidding me???

[Taboo]

You don't make a Firewalker based DLC in five months. Tricia Helfer said today she was returning.

My God........to many speculations. Too much anger.

Leads to Hate.

Then suffering......

[Peranor]

I've always happily bought their DLC's. I didnt't complain about the Javik DLC either. I happily paid for it. I was one of those "shut up and take my money" types.
But I do think that the EC should be free of charge.

[UrgentArchengel]

What ever it takes to shut us up. free works!

[Reign762]

If I had to pay for a DLC to fix their stupidity, it would have to be a completely revamped Priority: Earth mission while also being followed by an ending that cut Starchild from the game and was remade from the ground up.

Afterwards I would never buy another Bioware product again.

[Cucobr]

you make me sick!

[thefallen2far]

I actually gree with th op. I don't like the idea of having to pay for another chapter, but that ending was so badly done, I'll just think of it as charity. EC DLC, couldn't really fix that much, but 6 months DLC the size and scope of Dragon Age Awakening, that's possible. I'd gladly pay for that.

I think there are disgruntled creators who feel attacked and are sacrificing everything because the company is trying to save face. To them, 1. They love their ending. 2. They're giving up revenue for no good reason. 3. It's most likely not going to work.

[Alamar2078]

If I was getting "what I personally wanted" then I'd pay up to 30$ for no gameplay, no new fights ... just redo the ending to my satisfaction and not only will I pay near expansion pack prices for almost nothing I would rebuy the game from Amazon [who I returned it to], rebuy all paid-for DLC, and the stuff that I got for free I would "pay for" in the distasteful way of sending BW $ for MP booster packs or something stupid.

Note: I may not buy another BW product after that but I promised I'd support ME3 fully if BW gave me what I wanted so I will follow the letter & more importantly the spirit of the promise.

Modifié par Alamar2078, 26 avril 2012 - 11:48 .

[Goaliebot]

If those who made the game don't care what the fans think about the endings, and are themselves happy with the endings, then there is simply no way any EC/DLC can fix things, paid or not.

[Narayan23]

I won't be playing it so i don't care

[DJBare]

alpha54 wrote...

OP is right. All this will propagate is the idea that if you whine enough, you'll get free stuff. What a great direction for society to be heading in.

It was Bioware that initially offered it up for free after the backlash, so if anyone is to blame for the direction your suggesting, it's them.

What was the phrase again? "Sorry guys, we did not know that's what you wanted"; really?, were they not supposed to be listening to fan feedback?, it's been my understanding that the games development was a collaborative process between the developers and the fans, it's pretty obvious by the numbers and the backlash that while they were listening to fans they were not hearing the fans..