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[ahandsomeshark]

katamuro wrote...

bioware is a big game developer that is under EA's wing which is a multibillion dollar company. An extended cut that would cost maybe a couple of million dollars at most is not that much. Yes it will eat their profit margin and yeah the money would be taken out of already existing budget but they can afford it and they should make it as it was supposed to be in the game originally. There is absolutely no reason to feel bad for them as its their own mistake they are fixing

also they wouldn't be doing it if they didn't think their net gain (in terms of $$$) would be higher by doing it for free than not doing it at all.

[chris fenton]

lordnyx1 wrote...

Nope should have been in the game to start with.

[WhiteKnyght]

Guanxii wrote...

There's no easy way to say this but lets be honest here.... there's just no way BioWare can do what [really] needs to be done in the space of couple of months with no [real] budget in a way that can satisfy either the [core] fanbase or the wider audience. They've already said there will be no new gameplay. Presumably little to no new voice work either.

Trust me I get that Mass Effect 3 will have paid for itself by now and that the funding for the EC will have to come out of this and they're certainly not doing this out of charity... but rather than be palmed off with what they can cobble together under the circumstances wouldn't you rather pay for a proper expansion with new voice acting and gameplay, etc?

Wouldn't you rather give BioWare the opportunity to bring the games' closing sequence closer to what they originally intended with war-assets and cameos and such rather than settle for this? IMO BioWare should budget what they really need to make this happen and charge accordingly for it [within reason]. The question is how would a paid EC differ... would it be worth it... could it be justified? What would you pay for/it?

Bioware and EA are probably making a killing with sales of reinforcement packs in multiplayer. They can likely afford it.

[alpha54]

wantedman dan wrote...

alpha54 wrote...

OP is right. All this will propagate is the idea that if you whine enough, you'll get free stuff. What a great direction for society to be heading in.

What? This statement implies that you're completely oblivious to how capitalism works.

Not at all.

[ScotGaymer]

This is where we need the pic of Fry saying "Shut Up and take my money!"

[ahandsomeshark]

alpha54 wrote...

wantedman dan wrote...

alpha54 wrote...

OP is right. All this will propagate is the idea that if you whine enough, you'll get free stuff. What a great direction for society to be heading in.

What? This statement implies that you're completely oblivious to how capitalism works.

Not at all.

Do you think EA would be doing this if it wasn't a net + for their profit margins vs not doing it?? The whining has nothing to do with it, you'll get free stuff if a company has damaged their brand to the point they think they'll lose customers otherwise.

[FS3D]

 Sorry... No way in hell should a company be allowed to charge to fix an ending that shouldn't have been broken in the first place. Charging for an extended cut of an "ending" that shouldn't have been so fouled up in the first place opens Pandora's box when it comes to companies taking the ****** out of their paying customers, and we must NEVER stand for it.

[FS3D]

ahandsomeshark wrote...

alpha54 wrote...

wantedman dan wrote...

alpha54 wrote...

OP is right. All this will propagate is the idea that if you whine enough, you'll get free stuff. What a great direction for society to be heading in.

What? This statement implies that you're completely oblivious to how capitalism works.

Not at all.

Do you think EA would be doing this if it wasn't a net + for their profit margins vs not doing it?? The whining has nothing to do with it, you'll get free stuff if a company has damaged their brand to the point they think they'll lose customers otherwise.

I wonder if Alpha54 is a Libertarian? This sounds like something they would say.

[katamuro]

ahandsomeshark wrote...

katamuro wrote...

bioware is a big game developer that is under EA's wing which is a multibillion dollar company. An extended cut that would cost maybe a couple of million dollars at most is not that much. Yes it will eat their profit margin and yeah the money would be taken out of already existing budget but they can afford it and they should make it as it was supposed to be in the game originally. There is absolutely no reason to feel bad for them as its their own mistake they are fixing

also they wouldn't be doing it if they didn't think their net gain (in terms of $$$) would be higher by doing it for free than not doing it at all.

Yeah their profit from DLC's will cover the cost of the extended ending.

[wantedman dan]

alpha54 wrote...

Not at all.

Such a quaint, yet brilliant defense.

[wantedman dan]

FS3D wrote...

ahandsomeshark wrote...

alpha54 wrote...

wantedman dan wrote...

alpha54 wrote...

OP is right. All this will propagate is the idea that if you whine enough, you'll get free stuff. What a great direction for society to be heading in.

What? This statement implies that you're completely oblivious to how capitalism works.

Not at all.

Do you think EA would be doing this if it wasn't a net + for their profit margins vs not doing it?? The whining has nothing to do with it, you'll get free stuff if a company has damaged their brand to the point they think they'll lose customers otherwise.

I wonder if Alpha54 is a Libertarian? This sounds like something they would say.

What? No, it doesn't. Libertarian Capitalism is all about making informed, rational decisions for better or for worse.

When you're making a decision after being deliberately misinformed, you have every right to voice your opinion.

[Lyrebon]

Should've done it right the first time then shouldn't they?

[bmwcrazy]

This is the FIRST time I've ever heard of someone wanting to pay for something that will be free.

Seriously, you guys...

[xsdob]

How bout no?

[Hihoshi101]

OP is kinda right... as much as i would not like paying i would rather pay $5-$15 for a proper rap up than a free band-ade. I kind of hope they plan to spread the cost out over the other DLC since it is free so they don't have to cut corners.

[NubXL]

The Xbox generation is hopeless. Microsoft has brainwashed them into believing they should pay for everything thanks to XBL Gold. Never thought someone would get away with charging a $60/year fee for things that are free everywhere else, but here we are. You get people begging to pay for everything, totally subservient to corporate entitlement.

[Muhkida]

NubXL wrote...

The Xbox generation is hopeless. Microsoft has brainwashed them into believing they should pay for everything thanks to XBL Gold. Never thought someone would get away with charging a $60/year fee for things that are free everywhere else, but here we are. You get people begging to pay for everything, totally subservient to corporate entitlement.

More specifically, we should hate Halo 2 for fire-starting the buy DLC trend.

[metawanderer]

In my opinion, I would be happy if all Bioware did was to do slides with text and related artwork like they did with Dragon Age: Origins. All I need is answers.

Modifié par metawanderer, 27 avril 2012 - 12:57 .

[liggy002]

Guanxii wrote...

There's no easy way to say this but lets be honest here.... there's just no way BioWare can do what [really] needs to be done in the space of couple of months with no [real] budget in a way that can satisfy either the [core] fanbase or the wider audience. They've already said there will be no new gameplay. Presumably little to no new voice work either.

Trust me I get that Mass Effect 3 will have paid for itself by now and that the funding for the EC will have to come out of this and they're certainly not doing this out of charity... but rather than be palmed off with what they can cobble together under the circumstances wouldn't you rather pay for a proper expansion with new voice acting and gameplay, etc?

Wouldn't you rather give BioWare the opportunity to bring the games' closing sequence closer to what they originally intended with war-assets and cameos and such rather than settle for this? IMO BioWare should budget what they really need to make this happen and charge accordingly for it [within reason]. The question is how would a paid EC differ... would it be worth it... could it be justified? What would you pay for/it?

Edit: Artistic Integrity aside extending the existing ending is the cheaper option of the two all things considered. Creating a whole new 'Priority: Earth' for free probably wouldn't be feasible. How would Broken Steel have turned out if that had been free? It couldn't have been done. It was 'paid ending dlc' but it arguably salvaged the entire fanchise.

Just because it is free doesn't mean it wont be quality.

[Guanxii]

liggy002 wrote...

Guanxii wrote...

There's no easy way to say this but lets be honest here.... there's just no way BioWare can do what [really] needs to be done in the space of couple of months with no [real] budget in a way that can satisfy either the [core] fanbase or the wider audience. They've already said there will be no new gameplay. Presumably little to no new voice work either.

Trust me I get that Mass Effect 3 will have paid for itself by now and that the funding for the EC will have to come out of this and they're certainly not doing this out of charity... but rather than be palmed off with what they can cobble together under the circumstances wouldn't you rather pay for a proper expansion with new voice acting and gameplay, etc? 

Wouldn't you rather give BioWare the opportunity to bring the games' closing sequence closer to what they originally intended with war-assets and cameos and such rather than settle for this? IMO BioWare should budget what they really need to make this happen and charge accordingly for it [within reason]. The question is how would a paid EC differ... would it be worth it... could it be justified? What would you pay for/it?

Edit: Artistic Integrity aside extending the existing ending is the cheaper option of the two all things considered. Creating a whole new 'Priority: Earth' sequence for free probably wouldn't be feasible. I ask you how would Broken Steel have turned out if that had been free? It couldn't have been done... certainly not like that. It was 'paid ending dlc' but it arguably salvaged the entire fanchise.

Just because it is free doesn't mean it wont be quality.

But will it be as good or as ambitious as paid dlc? Will it be enough to salvage the franchise?

Modifié par Guanxii, 27 avril 2012 - 01:19 .

[MegaSovereign]

They made people pay 10 bucks for the From Ashes DLC, which is an important part of the lore.

So yea, I think the EC should be free to make up for it.

[KevShep]

wantedman dan wrote...

Sorry for their luck. They can use the $70 they took from me the first time around from selling me an incomplete game.

They mite have used From Ashes DLC to pay for the E.C. DLC since the prothean squadmate was arleady in the game and Bioware took him out at the end and released it as DLC on day one!

[The_Other_M]

RockSW wrote...

Deuterium_Dawn wrote...

They should have delivered on their promises in the first place and we wouldn't have this problem.

^^You got that right.

[Erield]

Guanxii wrote...
Trust me I get that Mass Effect 3 will have paid for itself by now and that the funding for the EC will have to come out of this and they're certainly not doing this out of charity... but rather than be palmed off with what they can cobble together under the circumstances wouldn't you rather pay for a proper expansion with new voice acting and gameplay, etc?

No.  Just...no.  They killed Mass Effect with the ending to ME3; it is up to them to perform CPR if they want it to continue to live.