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[LKx]

However, while the EC is due to us if they want keep to sell us anything, i'd be willing to buy an Extended Edition where they enanche other aspects of the game in addition to the final sequences (and of course an epic battle for the Earth!)

[Shajar]

No new gameplay/ending change/Tali's 3d face = No money from me
New ending + gameplay + Tali's 3d face = Money from me

[GuardianAngel470]

When a company, not even necessarily an honest company, makes a mistake and pisses off their fans, they have a couple of choices on how to deal with the situation. Most rational companies end up taking a loss to prevent the loss of their customers.

We've seen this at least twice in just this industry: Microsoft's Xbox 360 failure rate was ridiculous and their customers were pissed. Microsoft decided to make good on all warranties, off extended warranties and free Xbox live, and eventually complete replacements for faulty boxes. They shipped brand new consoles to people that sent in their boxes for warranty.

Sony, when it failed to protect user data, was put in a bad situation. It offered a total value of approximately $300 worth of content as well as free identity protection to anyone that asked for it.

When a company makes a mistake, it is their responsibility to fix it. If they charge people for that fix, they stand to lose a lot more than they gain in sales.

[soulprovider]

alpha54 wrote...

OP is right. All this will propagate is the idea that if you whine enough, you'll get free stuff. What a great direction for society to be heading in.

yes but blindly paying something and accepting whatever your given is also a very bad direction to be heading is as well, 

as you put it "whine" enough and you'll get less quality free stuff

blindly pay for whatever crap your given, and then they think of new things to start charging for,COD Map packs for 15 dollars anyone, "dollar for ammo" CEO speech to stock conference call, anyone!! Online passes Anyone!!, DLC anyone!!!, Microtranssactions ANYONE!!!

There has to be a limit a balanced area and it was surpassed a long time ago when they started selling pieces in the for of DLC that direclty tied in to the games storyline and and when they started exploiting fans love of the series with books and made in taiwan merchandise.  They know how to milk the fanbase because we think to ourselves " it is what it is" meaning well I don't like it but I see no alternative so i'll pay for it.

            While we remember the days of old where we got video games that were complete and had no issues or bugs, were properly Quality tested and weren't falsly  advertised, where publishers didn't treat the consumers with disdain or ridicule, where gaming journalists weren't threatened into submission by not getting the very thing that paid their salaries the game to review unless they gave positive scores, where developers actually cared about their products to make sure it met their expectations and the fans expectations but alas those days are gone as each new gamer is brain washed into accepting the system as is and beleives that if they don't like it then they are being whiny children and should just learn to shut up and accept it for what it is, I fear for this country, I fear for our children, I fear for my generation.

[mbr.to]

its completely up to bioware.
and its very accommodating of them to release it for free.

id pay for the extended cut.
mass effect 3 was hours of fun and completely worth its money.

[robertm2]

its just damage control. they dont admit to doing anything wrong and just say you dont get it so let me explain it to you. im glad they are doing something but they way they handle it and refuse to discuss it well thats just plain insulting. as of now my money is feeling more comfortable with cd project and bethesda. either that or used bioware games when i can buy them and there bs online passes for less than i would have spent on the game new. ill be honest i wasnt to upset by the ending but there terrible pr has convinced me to never want to give bioware profit again until they split with ea.

[bahamutomega]

Guanxii wrote...

There's no easy way to say this but lets be honest here.... there's just no way BioWare can do what [really] needs to be done in the space of couple of months with no [real] budget in a way that can satisfy either the [core] fanbase or the wider audience. They've already said there will be no new gameplay. Presumably little to no new voice work either.

Trust me I get that Mass Effect 3 will have paid for itself by now and that the funding for the EC will have to come out of this and they're certainly not doing this out of charity... but rather than be palmed off with what they can cobble together under the circumstances wouldn't you rather pay for a proper expansion with new voice acting and gameplay, etc?

Wouldn't you rather give BioWare the opportunity to bring the games' closing sequence closer to what they originally intended with war-assets and cameos and such rather than settle for this? IMO BioWare should budget what they really need to make this happen and charge accordingly for it [within reason]. The question is how would a paid EC differ... would it be worth it... could it be justified? What would you pay for/it?

Edit: Artistic Integrity aside extending the existing ending is the cheaper option of the two all things considered. Creating a whole new 'Priority: Earth' sequence for free probably wouldn't have been feasible. I ask you how would Broken Steel have turned out if that had been free? It couldn't have been done... certainly not like that. It was 'paid ending dlc' but it arguably salvaged the entire fanchise.

It may be free but will it be as good or as ambitious as if it had been paid dlc? Will it be enough to salvage the franchise?

i agree with you, but i'd also like to pose you this question:  what if this is simply a stall tactic?  what if the endings, supposedly "cobbled together over the course of a few months and on no budget" are actually already complete and were cut to be sold to us at a later time?

i know a lot of people think i'm still full of ****, but given the 1) classic PR stall tactics, 2) the purposely timed announcement just before PAX East and 3) the incredibly short timeframe coupled with the free content...  once is an accident.  twice is coincidence.  three times is intentional behavior.

i think two things worked against this intent:  Day 1 DLC and the...  aggressive... responses to the ending.

1) the Day 1 DLC would have been forgiveable given a little more time.
2) had the Day 1 DLC not been released as Day 1 DLC, the endings would have been forgiven with a little more time.

here is my belief of BioWare's optimal timeline for the full launch:
1) Day 1 DLC - accepted
2) ending - create a stir, get people talking - GRAB ATTENTION!!!
3) before PAX East, release another paid DLC for the endings.
4) develop additional DLC
5) rake in boatloads of $$$

instead this happened:
1) Day 1 DLC - "woops - guess we upset a bunch of people there"
2) ending - "created a bit more of a stir than we anticipated.  get PR involved - STALL THEM!!!"
3) hit the "Oh ****!" button just before PAX East - GET ATTENTION!!!
4) call the ending provocative in a huge add, promote perfect scores, GET MORE ATTENTION!!!
5) stall for a bit more time, release the endings for free.
6) develop additional DLC
7) rake in smaller boatloads of $$

[Little Queen]

@ op: So basically, now that they gave in to the "fans", and throw out a dlc for free you still complain that it wont be enough?!

[SimonTheFrog]

I have to admit i'd pay for an ending that is NOT written by Mac Walters and/or Casey Hudson.
No kid? No magic wand aka crucible? No neglected consequences like everybody starves or dies? No more Synthesis? Damnit...
Yes, it must be free, of course.

But given the choice: some more minutes cutscenes going further with synthesis and all that sort of things...Or pay to get something good? I'd take the pay option... even if that would mean EA won.

[Jarl Johnnie Walker]

Ah, yes "free" we have dismissed this claim.

[Funkdrspot]

Guanxii wrote...

There's no easy way to say this but lets be honest here.... there's just no way BioWare can do what [really] needs to be done in the space of couple of months with no [real] budget in a way that can satisfy either the [core] fanbase or the wider audience. They've already said there will be no new gameplay. Presumably little to no new voice work either.

Trust me I get that Mass Effect 3 will have paid for itself by now and that the funding for the EC will have to come out of this and they're certainly not doing this out of charity... but rather than be palmed off with what they can cobble together under the circumstances wouldn't you rather pay for a proper expansion with new voice acting and gameplay, etc?

Wouldn't you rather give BioWare the opportunity to bring the games' closing sequence closer to what they originally intended with war-assets and cameos and such rather than settle for this? IMO BioWare should budget what they really need to make this happen and charge accordingly for it [within reason]. The question is how would a paid EC differ... would it be worth it... could it be justified? What would you pay for/it?

Edit: Artistic Integrity aside extending the existing ending is the cheaper option of the two all things considered. Creating a whole new 'Priority: Earth' sequence for free probably wouldn't have been feasible. I ask you how would Broken Steel have turned out if that had been free? It couldn't have been done... certainly not like that. It was 'paid ending dlc' but it arguably salvaged the entire fanchise.

It may be free but will it be as good or as ambitious as if it had been paid dlc? Will it be enough to salvage the franchise?

I take it you never took an econ or business class in your life.

1. They've already got something like 2 mil sold, which means they've made something around $100 mil. So yes, they can afford it.

2. This was a franchise that was about to blow up. Movies, animes, MMOs, etc. NOW they're in damage control. If they don't nail the EC down, you can forget about practically everything but a sequel and even then, you're looking at reduced sales

3. Even worse than the damage to the IP is the damage done to Bioware's repuation. Think Cancelled SWTOR and DA 3 preorders.

4. Virtually NO ONE is buying DLC for ME 3 without an EC


So yes, a few million to save all of the above is just plain good business sense.

[CroGamer002]

No, it should be free.

And Bioware should have the budget for it


I mean, Casey can afford and maintain his own plane while Walters cruise around world while drinking expensive wine.

They should have money for Extended Cut and give away from free since we already payed for the game and should get proper and complete endings.

[shepard1038]

Mesina2 wrote...

No, it should be free.

And Bioware should have the budget for it


I mean, Casey can afford and maintain his own plane while Walters cruise around world while drinking expensive wine.

They should have money for Extended Cut and give away from free since we already payed for the game and should get proper and complete endings.

Why do you think they are entitled to give fans "proper and complete endings"? If they have wanted to, they could
have not done nothing so stop feeling like you are entitled to a "proper and complete endings", because the game
has alredy released and came with the endings it came. They are doing this to make fans happy so be grateful.

Modifié par shepard1038, 27 avril 2012 - 08:05 .

[Brother Takka]

How about we ser what's in the EC before we start saying things about it. It would seem we where told alot before the game came out and we didn't get things then.

[Aslanasadi]

Well, imo it's damage control. I doubt that the BW expected that the endings would anger and disappoint so many people. Also I believe even so the group might not be the majority, it still can hurt the sell of future franchise and this DLC is a compromise to soften the lines, which I think is a step in the right direction and I respect that.

[Elite Midget]

They have no choice. They released an unfinished game, if they charged for it than the blow out would be even larger than it is now. Thus the EC is doomed for failure from the start. Maybe EA will learn not to rush out products before they're done, they could have made a killing off ME3.

[Sir Fluffykins]

Usually I play a game, finish it, maybe play some multiplayer -then move onto the next game, only MAYBE looking at the previous games again, years later.

That said, this is the longest I've ever sat with a game after "finishing" it, -why?- because I bought the end of a trilogy and I can't throw it out the window because 98.7% of the game was great for me and I'm waiting for the end.

Hell I might have been fine if they had a cheap-ass text epilogue saying "Relays released eezo energy or something allowing near instnt travel anywhere in the galaxy, allowing new worlds and civilisations, also hit by the Reapers, to be discovered", "Rachni queen made planet so and so it's home and soon the hive included multiple broods, who hold close relations with the Humans, inspite of the Rachni views that humans make "loud noises", the Queen died singing of the Shepard that saved their race not once, but twice, knowing the Rachni would live on"

You, know, stuff like that, but they couldn't even do that.

All that said, there's still a tiny hope that this is All a massive 'Troll' by Bioware who're going to release the 16 endings they promised in a few months because they wnated to see what the fans wanted.

[Gruzmog]

they can invest a ****load of money in marketing because it will have returns in the future : the can invest money in this to recieve more of our money in the future. case closed.

If smaller companies can do it (witcher 2 anyone) Bioware can do it.

[Funkdrspot]

shepard1038 wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

No, it should be free.

And Bioware should have the budget for it


I mean, Casey can afford and maintain his own plane while Walters cruise around world while drinking expensive wine.

They should have money for Extended Cut and give away from free since we already payed for the game and should get proper and complete endings.

Why do you think they are entitled to give fans "proper and complete endings"? If they have wanted to, they could
have not done nothing so stop feeling like you are entitled to a "proper and complete endings", because the game
has alredy released and came with the endings it came. They are doing this to make fans happy so be grateful.

1. The ending is terribad and is not up to par for their product so in a sense, yes we're entitled to a proper ending. The fans have purchased the product BECAUSE of its quality and much like someone buying a luxury __________, the customers are going to expect more. The reputation of delivering said quality is what drew those customers to the product.

2. Why should anyone feel grateful? It wasn't like we got the game for free. It's a sybiotic relationship. If they don't keep me happy they don't get my money and long story short, they need me a LOOOOOT more than i need them. So yeah, they could not make it, or charge, but they'd be hurting themselves a lot more than they'd be hurting me.

If anything, they should be grateful they have so many great fans who care more than Bioware themselves seem to about the product they're making and are willing to give them a chance at correcting their mistakes instead of simply dumping them and writing them off from future purchases.

[stysiaq]

CDProjekt RED could give you Enhanced Edition pack for free.

Besides, I paid for a clear ending already. Clearance was promised several times.

[StElmo]

lordnyx1 wrote...

Nope should have been in the game to start with.

[KingKhan03]

LOL why shouldn't it be free? Multiplayer has sucked more then enough money out of everyone I think EA can afford a few free DLC's for us peasants.

It shouldn't be free, hahahaha give me a break.

[MarauderESP]

wantedman dan wrote...

Sorry for their luck. They can use the $70 they took from me the first time around from selling me an incomplete game.

+1

[GuardianAngel470]

stysiaq wrote...

CDProjekt RED could give you Enhanced Edition pack for free.

Besides, I paid for a clear ending already. Clearance was promised several times.

I still have no idea how they did that. They must have made BANK on TW1 and TW2. Where the heck did they, an upstart developer, get 1) the money to build a brand new, amazing engine, 2) the funding to make the HUGE TW2, and 3) the funds to pay developers to both make new content AND make an amazing port?

The resourcefulness and determination of this 20 person team are legend to me at this point. It's like I'm a guy in the audience at one of Franz Liszt's performances. I just do not know how they did it.

[JerradH]

Charging for endings, be they new, extended, modified, whatever, is absurd. There's enough DLC out there that we get charged for (and often wrongfully so) as it is. Game endings should be finalized and included in the game with adequate quality, period.

Any budgetary concerns should be moot. This is Bioware/EA after all. They're making huge bank on this game just on retail sales alone, not including the day-one From Ashes DLC, mutiplayer currency purchases, and other games like The Old Republic. It wouldn't surprise me if Bioware had a swimming pool similar to Scrooge McDuck from the Ducktales intro with the heads of the company spitting out gold coins after diving in.

I'm glad that they're doing the EC DLC, and I'm very glad that it's free, as it should be.

Modifié par JerradH, 27 avril 2012 - 08:53 .