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#151
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GuardianAngel470 wrote...

stysiaq wrote...

CDProjekt RED could give you Enhanced Edition pack for free.

Besides, I paid for a clear ending already. Clearance was promised several times.


I still have no idea how they did that. They must have made BANK on TW1 and TW2. Where the heck did they, an upstart developer, get 1) the money to build a brand new, amazing engine, 2) the funding to make the HUGE TW2, and 3) the funds to pay developers to both make new content AND make an amazing port?

The resourcefulness and determination of this 20 person team are legend to me at this point. It's like I'm a guy in the audience at one of Franz Liszt's performances. I just do not know how they did it.


It's pretty incredible it was like a 10 gb update that's like an entire game haha.:D

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KingKhan03 wrote...

LOL why shouldn't it be free? Multiplayer has sucked more then enough money out of everyone I think EA can afford a few free DLC's for us peasants.

It shouldn't be free, hahahaha give me a break.


Honestly, i don't think people have a valid complaint when they pay for optional stuff. I would MUCH rather people have the OPTION of paying for different guns, hats, etc than the old way of doing things where they sold map packs.

Selling optional items keeps the community together, EVERYONE new maps and new life is breathed into the MP.

Selling new maps fractures the community between the have and have nots and sucks the longevity out of the MP.

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Guanxii wrote...

Wouldn't you rather give BioWare the opportunity to bring the games' closing sequence closer to what they originally intended with war-assets and cameos and such rather than settle for this? IMO BioWare should budget what they really need to make this happen and charge accordingly for it [within reason]. The question is how would a paid EC differ... would it be worth it... could it be justified? What would you pay for/it?

Edit: Artistic Integrity aside extending the existing ending is the cheaper option of the two all things considered. Creating a whole new 'Priority: Earth' sequence for free probably wouldn't have been feasible. I ask you how would Broken Steel have turned out if that had been free? It couldn't have been done... certainly not like that. It was 'paid ending dlc' but it arguably salvaged the entire fanchise.


Garbage.  Give your head a shake.

This game should NEVER have been released in this state.  I have unknowingly paid for an incomplete game so you want me to pay for them to do what they should have done originally and actually finish the game?

Utter Utter Garbage.

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Can you imagine the rage if they made people pay for the extended cut? "They made a terrible ending just to sell a good ending later? F YOU BIOWARE I'M NEVER BUYING YOUR PRODUCTS AGAIN!!!11!". It would be suicide for BioWare to try it.

I wouldn't worry about the extended cut being poor quality because we're not paying for it. BioWare knows that they have to make it high quality if they want anyone to buy any future ME3 DLC, or any future BioWare game for that matter, so they're not going to rush it or try and cut corners. They know in the long run the effort will pay off.

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They can use all the money from people who bought spectre packs with real cash. Don't tell me there's no budget

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Funkdrspot wrote...

KingKhan03 wrote...

LOL why shouldn't it be free? Multiplayer has sucked more then enough money out of everyone I think EA can afford a few free DLC's for us peasants.

It shouldn't be free, hahahaha give me a break.


Honestly, i don't think people have a valid complaint when they pay for optional stuff. I would MUCH rather people have the OPTION of paying for different guns, hats, etc than the old way of doing things where they sold map packs.

Selling optional items keeps the community together, EVERYONE new maps and new life is breathed into the MP.

Selling new maps fractures the community between the have and have nots and sucks the longevity out of the MP.


I understand that but EA and BioWare won't run low on budget if they don't charge for the Extended Cut, Multiplayer has given them a new option in terms of revenue. Also the day 1 DLC  brought in some cash as well.

Modifié par KingKhan03, 27 avril 2012 - 09:03 .


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If I go to the store and buy a working TV, then I come home and after 2 hours it dies, you better believe I'm getting a refund, a repair or a new TV (no cost of course).

BioWare sold me a game with a broken ending that wasn't what they advertised. I did not get what I paid for, so going back to the TV example, why should the TV manufacturer help me for free (It is my right as a consumer) while BioWare needs extra money to fix their broken ending?

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Creepter wrote...

I would've been willing to pay extra for a new ending if Bioware just came out and admitted that they made a mistake the first time and were willing to rework it.

And I'm sure I'm not alone in those feelings.


Same here, I would have prefered quality content even if it meant paying more money. I don't want stupid cinematic that give me "clearance". Well, but I'm kinda through with it all, nothing BW will ever deliver can beat my head canon. Wow this is sad.

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lordnyx1 wrote...

Nope should have been in the game to start with.


/thread

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wantedman dan wrote...

Sorry for their luck. They can use the $70 they took from me the first time around from selling me an incomplete game.


Exactly.

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Uhm, the guys at CDProjekt made an ENHANCED EDITION without asking payment from their customers.

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LaFawn wrote...

wantedman dan wrote...

Sorry for their luck. They can use the $70 they took from me the first time around from selling me an incomplete game.


Exactly.


Yeah, I buy from them a game with no real ending, now they give me an "ending" for no money... pretty fair I think

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GuardianAngel470 wrote...

stysiaq wrote...

CDProjekt RED could give you Enhanced Edition pack for free.

Besides, I paid for a clear ending already. Clearance was promised several times.


I still have no idea how they did that. They must have made BANK on TW1 and TW2. Where the heck did they, an upstart developer, get 1) the money to build a brand new, amazing engine, 2) the funding to make the HUGE TW2, and 3) the funds to pay developers to both make new content AND make an amazing port?

The resourcefulness and determination of this 20 person team are legend to me at this point. It's like I'm a guy in the audience at one of Franz Liszt's performances. I just do not know how they did it.


TW2 is a polish game. Its budget was about 30 million PLN if I remember right ( translates to around $ 10 mln ). It still was the most expensive polish game. We make less money in Poland (GDP per capita is about 2.5 times smaller than in US) but I still doubt TW2 would be possible to make within $ 25 mln budget in the US.

The US games bugets are incredibly bloated, if you keep these numbers in mind.

Modifié par stysiaq, 27 avril 2012 - 10:33 .


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Well, I wouldn't get it if it wasn't free.

I can live with the endings just fine.

Modifié par Arppis, 27 avril 2012 - 10:46 .


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Arppis wrote...

Well, I wouldn't get it if it wasn't free.

I can live with the endings just fine.


I'd only get it if they added meaningful things, like better gameplay features, achievements, and even another use or two out of the Cain. 

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Lets just hope the EC is REAAAAly good... or no one will even want more dlc let alone be willing to pay for it.

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GuardianAngel470 wrote...

stysiaq wrote...

CDProjekt RED could give you Enhanced Edition pack for free.

Besides, I paid for a clear ending already. Clearance was promised several times.


I still have no idea how they did that. They must have made BANK on TW1 and TW2. Where the heck did they, an upstart developer, get 1) the money to build a brand new, amazing engine, 2) the funding to make the HUGE TW2, and 3) the funds to pay developers to both make new content AND make an amazing port?


One) They aren't the only ones.
Two) If you are really honest... selling.. lets say 1 million copies worldwide for 50€ a piece nets you 50 Million Euro. If we assume retailers get 15-20% of that. The rest goes back to the Publisher. The publisher keeps probably another 50-60% for print, merchandise, advertisements and such. (Of course i am only familiar with books and i am assuming printing books is more expensive than printing CDs) At the end of the day the Artist, in this case the developers should be geting somewhere between 5 to 15% of the money. Lets say they get 10% for the ease of the mindgame.

So they still just made 5 Million Euro. 5 Million divided by 20 people, is 250000 Euro each. The average german nurse makes about 1 Million in 40 years of working. Quarter that and our Devs just made by selling one game the equivalent of 10 years of working in a "normal" job.

Of course this kind of money has to cover their expenses of the past 4-5 Years they spend working on it, and ideally cover the next 4-5 years to develop your next title. So it really isn't that much. But its easy to see that if you spend another year to create an extended cut, offer it for free to people and a new retail product.

You get positive press, which means you won't need as much advertisment. You will have loyal customers, who will advertise it for you. You will have Software Pirates, who previously liked your game, come out of the bushworks and buy it, (Yeah not all, but thanks to DRM and the way many companys threat their customers a lot people who normaly wouldn't be pirates are pirates) taking the opportunity to "own" the game they loved.. especially now that its "ENHANCED".

Many people do buy extended editions... or games of the year editions once they get released. If you add those additional revenue, its easy to see how spending some more time into it, can not only ensure you have happy customers and happy customers turn into fans, in this branch of the industry. Which only serves to ensure their loyality, as Bioware had once uppon a time. With their next product they will have people buying their stuff simply because its them producing it. Guaranteeing a sale and thus securing the next 4-6 years of work for you.


Of course thats all a nice idea, until the big money rolls in, people start to be managers and don't care to be "normal working" people anymore. But rather like wearing a suit and a tie and getting a couple million bonus as boardmembers at the end of the year as we so frequently see in about every big branch. I am not sure how much money EA pays their higher ups, but i am sure its a lot more than a normal working class person gets. Of course, they won't make more money by selling the game. But that means their devs, the Gruntworking force suddenly gets "less money" or rather there is less money to work with. Because their managers have to be paid 3-4 times as much as their normal working force. Thus bloating up the system, and at the end of the year there probably are big time payouts to reward the good work. Because top managers like those payouts or they leave to some place where the grass is greener.


But as long as your a small firm, true to your cause, being content with making a normal living like the rest of the people. Having a passion for your work and not get the "Bling Bling" into your eyes. As long as you can maintain that attitude.. you can basically create a lot of good quality and don't need to worry about release dates as much as the rest of them.


And last i checked.. 1 Million Copies isn't all that much, world wide. Take Minecraft as example, if you care to.



stysiaq wrote...


The resourcefulness and determination of this 20 person team are legend to me at this point. It's like I'm a guy in the audience at one of Franz Liszt's performances. I just do not know how they did it.


Well they do it like everyone else did it when they started out. Getting a financial plan and a loan and having a vision. Staying through to it and living of instant ramen, when the money gets tight. Just like the rest of us does.

They'll eventually get the "bling bling" into the eye. Bioware was for a long time very much like them. Eventually they'll fall.

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lordnyx1 wrote...

Nope should have been in the game to start with.



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You're right OP - They should have done this right the first time but like they say..

should have , would have, could have.

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Extended Cut IS NOT NEW ENDINGS. So I do not get why you think it is gonna take that long. All it is cut and paste cinematic images. NOT NEW ENDINGS. Clearly a ton of people believe the it is new endings, but no it is new pictures for the old endings.

I LIKE TO REMIND YOU MANY PEOPLE WERE READY TO PAY FOR NEW ENDINGS DLC. This however is not it. Please comment on things you are not confused about. People would have definitly paid for new endings, that they desired and brought respect to shepard's story.


My Train of Thought ATM:
Right Now I feel I wasted 80 bucks on Mass Effect 3, I detest the current ME3 due to the ending. I woud pay an extra 10-15 bucks for a new mission endings which brings in that fan satisfication. Then I can confidentally say I wasted 10-15 dollars, rather than entire 80 bucks for a  game which I threw in the gutter after one play through. Dragon Age II is still in the gutter somewhere.

"Artistic Integrity BULL CRAP is embarassing, seriously how can you say that with a straight face".

Modifié par Dragoni89, 27 avril 2012 - 01:46 .


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dmath2 wrote...

From time to time, I think "I'd pay for a properly fixed ending". Then my brain kicks in and reminds me of the following:

The cost of my Collector's Edition

The utter lies we were told about the wildly different endings

More lies about our choices throughout the series being reflected in those endings

The total lack of any sense of triumph at the end of what had been the best sci-fi trilogy in the last decade

Bioware's refusal to accept that the ending was anything less than genius

Diana Allers

Tali's face

Eavesdropping fetch quests replacing conversation and exploration

One hub world to visit

More lies about multiplayer not being a requirement

More lies about the possibility of a "reapers win" bad ending

StarJar, with Shepard just bending over and taking it

That crass cash-grab DLC message at the end

Tali's face again

My sweet (shudder)

The obscene amount of money Bioware/EA will already have made from multiplayer microtransactions

Tali's damn face again

"A bigger fan reaction than any other videogame's conclusion in the medium's history"

Synthesis, proving that Kirk Lazarus was absolutely right in Tropic Thunder when he told Tugg Speedman why he didn't get the Oscar for Simple Jack

StarJar again

Those dream sequences telling me I should feel bad. My Shepard didn't.

The kid at the start, shoehorning in an attempt at evoking pity when it was actually hamfisted, heavy-handed, tacky, lame and cheesy

StarJar's stupid flawed logic

Artistic Integrity = cameltoe, stock images and photoshop, among other things

... and then I'm angry again.

Grrr.







Am i to take it you have a thing for Tali? You mention her a lot :P

I agree with everything though.

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And you know how many people WONT buy the EC? Or any other Bioware/EA game/dlc/product/etc thereafter? :D Sorry, me and everyone else paid $70 for a FULL game.

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KingKhan03 wrote...

GuardianAngel470 wrote...

stysiaq wrote...

CDProjekt RED could give you Enhanced Edition pack for free.

Besides, I paid for a clear ending already. Clearance was promised several times.


I still have no idea how they did that. They must have made BANK on TW1 and TW2. Where the heck did they, an upstart developer, get 1) the money to build a brand new, amazing engine, 2) the funding to make the HUGE TW2, and 3) the funds to pay developers to both make new content AND make an amazing port?

The resourcefulness and determination of this 20 person team are legend to me at this point. It's like I'm a guy in the audience at one of Franz Liszt's performances. I just do not know how they did it.


It's pretty incredible it was like a 10 gb update that's like an entire game haha.:D


Just replayed enchanced version again and it's so freakin awesome how they extended and fleshed out portion of the game that was kind of lacking before.  New cutscene, new items, better combat, and new mission content.  

you can be sure that when witcher 3 comes around I'm going to preorder CE for it.  This is because I know that even if there's elements missing you can be sure that the developer is going to correct it and stand behind it.  They are actually 'LISTENING' instead of trying to argue with its customers like bioware is doing.

Seriously I don't give one cent about your artist integrity.  If your customers don't like it, they simply don't like it.  Don't try and defend yourself and pass off a video game as high art.     

Oh and if you are really proud of your game one thing you should be asking yourself is that how can you make it better.  You'd want to improve on it and make it better.   

Modifié par hammyhamstersy, 27 avril 2012 - 03:48 .


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while i do agree the quality will suck due to no $ behind it to push it forward

charging money for it will be a death blow to much of their future games and kill any chance at drawing fence sitters over to their side. If they charged money for it, i doubt that many of the enraged people who demanded it would shell out cash, and they would end up loosing money due to lack of sales and kill any chance at convincing them to buy future games. Even if they did end up avoiding causing a nerd riot, i dont think a ton of people would buy it to start with due to the fact its just Cut-scenes with no new game play/interaction. You would be spending 5 / 10$ on at most a 2 min movie that could be spent much wiser on another game or hell, a full length movie, and even if people where interested in it, would prob just go to Youtube and watch it a week later for free.

Pretty much they are FK if they do, FK if they dont

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Xx_Belzak_xX wrote...

And you know how many people WONT buy the EC? Or any other Bioware/EA game/dlc/product/etc thereafter? :D Sorry, me and everyone else paid $70 for a FULL game.



this. If I was told before hand it would cost a lot more to get the full game I was expecting then I would understand. But don't give me an incomplete game for 80 bucks and then expect me to be happy with it.