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Velocithon wrote...

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I don't understand this you are a nitpicker argument. If I pay 60 (or in this case 80) bucks for something damn right I'm gonna nitpick. Wtf is this kindergarten should I give Bioware a gold star for trying?



Nitipickers are spoiled little brats with entitlement issues that will complain about the most insignificant and trivial thing.


So you'd rather people not "complain" about small imperfections then, and then see these imperfections repeated in future games?

Nitpicking is a good thing. For instance, the journal. Not at all game breaking, but a bit frustrating at times. I "complain" (your words) about it because I think it's something that could be improved. I doubt it will, but I'll voice my opinion in hopes that it gets recognized and that future games will correct it.

So try being less of a troll and calling people whining entitled brats next time, okay.



I am also pretty bitter at the fact that the game doesn't get the fair shake from the fanbase that it deserves.  They just want to focus on the things they didn't like and they try to yell down anybody that has anything positive to say about the game.  These people really do ****** me off.  My beloved series deserves better fans than this.  Now people want to condemn bioware as a developer over the last 5 minutes of the game.  While they ignore the good of the game which vastly outweighed the bad.  Negative nancies suck and I hate them.

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Velocithon wrote...

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It is a bad game, its not the worst thing ever. But it failed to meet the hyper and did not live up to its former glory. To me that makes it a bad game and it makes Bioware a bad game developer.


Name one game with a massive ad campaign to pull gullible chumps into praising the game prerelease that actually met the hype.

Not a one. I don't care if Final Fantasy 55 is the greatest thing mankind ever produced and it also gives you BJ's and pudding, there will still be a legion of miserable people online who will rage for years about how it didn't meet the hype. Gamers are an obnoxiously insatiable bunch, that's a fact of life as far as I'm concerned.


So where is similiar levels of rage over Call of Duty or Halo who hype there games up much further than ME and have far bigger fan bases?

This whole "people are disappointed because of hype" arguement is garbage, and is repeated by dittoheads for every franchise to put down those with legitimate gripes. No game that was hyped this much and was actually a great game has received this level of backlash. People will always be disappointed, but the Halo fans who were angry about the disappearance of the pistol in Halo 2 and it's bad ending are nothing in comparison to the people who hate the ending and think ME3 is a mediocre title. 


I don't know what makes you think the Halo series is a good comparison. When was the last time you saw a Cortana romance fan thread with over 2K pages of people talking about how awesome the character is? The point is that there are people out there, much like the fans who peruse these forums around the clock, who have invested ALOT both emotionally and time-wise into this series, of their own volition. These people are the kind who get involved in the hype, and unfortunately, they make up the majority of these boards, creating an echo chamber where unpopular opinions are taboo.


Clearly you've never been to the Bungie.net forums. People used to rave over Cortana all the time. However it's died down since she's you know, over 10 years old...

You have no idea what hype is. People who spend time here and invest a lot of time in the game has nothing to do with hype. They simply like playing and discussing the game. Those are the people here right now voicing their dissappointment and lobbying for changes. As far as unpopular opinions being taboo, well, duh? I mean, you said it yourself, the vast majority on these boards are those who've invested a lot of time in the series. Naturally, they are the ones who really dislike what we got.

You have to stop thinking this is all because of hype, because it's not. It has to do with the theme of game, the direction it was taking, and how the ending just betrayed all of that. In addition, numerous parts within the game were poorly done and rendered many past, meaningful experiences with consequences entirely moot. THAT, not hype, is why people are mad.


Listen. I'll say this one more time, because you apparently missed it the first time.

Stuff SAID, NOT officially written down by employees before the game is released, is SUBJECT TO CHANGE. THis applies to ANY industry.

Honestly, how gullible can you be? "But... but... they said the game would do this, this and this." AND?

Molyneux has been blowing his games out of proportion for years, and over time, people learned to not listen to industry hype and judge for themselves when the game comes out, with no preconceptions.

And despite all this, you think Bioware is gonna remark on the not-so-great aspects of their upcoming game instead of focusing on the cool bits, maybe blowing them out of proportion a bit? Hell no. They are a business like any other, despite what the old Baldur's Gate fans will tell you. 'Back in my day, Bioware didn't care at all about profits and existed only to satisfy their fans!' Oh, please. Grow up.

Moral of this story: You wanna learn about how good a game is? Here's a thought, don't listen to the company making it.

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KotorEffect3 wrote...

Velocithon wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

ahandsomeshark wrote...

I don't understand this you are a nitpicker argument. If I pay 60 (or in this case 80) bucks for something damn right I'm gonna nitpick. Wtf is this kindergarten should I give Bioware a gold star for trying?



Nitipickers are spoiled little brats with entitlement issues that will complain about the most insignificant and trivial thing.


So you'd rather people not "complain" about small imperfections then, and then see these imperfections repeated in future games?

Nitpicking is a good thing. For instance, the journal. Not at all game breaking, but a bit frustrating at times. I "complain" (your words) about it because I think it's something that could be improved. I doubt it will, but I'll voice my opinion in hopes that it gets recognized and that future games will correct it.

So try being less of a troll and calling people whining entitled brats next time, okay.


Complaining also leads to good things being cut because people that like something won't speak up about what they like because they just focus on the negative.  Harbinger would have had a bigger and better role in ME 3 if people hadn't whined about his taunts so much in ME 2.  We Harbi fans didn't speak up enough on his behalf.  Negativity is overrated and positivity is too often ignored. 


Then don't go off calling the complainers negative entitle brats simply because their voice is dominant. And you have zero evidence to show that Harbinger's role in ME3 was because of that.

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its good game even if you ignore the ending though its still only good. It does too many things poorly to be considered great imo

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KotorEffect3 wrote...

ahandsomeshark wrote...

Muhkida wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Muhkida wrote...

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The game was decent, except for all those glitches. And the journal. And the lack of side quests. And squad development. And choices. And dialogue. And the ending.

Oh.



You are a nitpicker


You have to admit, those Citadel side-quests were fricken tedious.  Running into the wrong NPC to end one of them got real old.  Those damn asari all looked the same...

inb4thatsracist


Key word being sidequest, didn't have to do them. 


Are you saying you don't do the sidequests?  Who does that?  YOU'RE NOT REAL!:pinched:


The problem is they were bad sidequests. It's an rpg, sidequests are a staple of the genre. The problem was these sidequests were crappy.



Grissom academy was considered a sidequest are you calling that crappy?


No, people are mainly talking about untrackable fetch quests. And they are necessary for a higher ems, and generally not fun, which is a problem.

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Nah, it's a pretty crappy game.

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Deathstroke123 wrote...

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While it's not necessarily a bad game, it is by all means mediocre and when you consider the role it was supposed to play and the potential leading up to it, it can be called indeed a bad game in comparison to what it should've been. And in some parts it really was poorly done.


Mediocre? I wanna know what kind of games you play on a regular basis to comparitively call this one mediocre. I must be missing out big time.


Mass Effect 1 and 2.

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By and large it was a pretty good game. I do feel a lot of the cries of 'it's horrible' are fueled by disappointment in the ending being projected onto other aspects of the game. That and as somebody said, people were expecting this to be the gaming equivalent of the Return of Jesus.

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shurikenmanta wrote...

By and large it was a pretty good game. I do feel a lot of the cries of 'it's horrible' are fueled by disappointment in the ending being projected onto other aspects of the game. That and as somebody said, people were expecting this to be the gaming equivalent of the Return of Jesus.


I was only expecting it to be Mass Effect.

But it's not.

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FatalX7.0 wrote...

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While it's not necessarily a bad game, it is by all means mediocre and when you consider the role it was supposed to play and the potential leading up to it, it can be called indeed a bad game in comparison to what it should've been. And in some parts it really was poorly done.


Mediocre? I wanna know what kind of games you play on a regular basis to comparitively call this one mediocre. I must be missing out big time.


Mass Effect 1 and 2.



subjective opinion.  To me ME 3 and ME 2 are about equal and they both blow ME 1 out of the water.

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Because this example isn't full of hyperbole at all.

And honestly, if I was stupid enough to not do my research to the point where I thought a bag of crap was the same as medicine, I'd only have myself to blame. Buyer beware, my friend. No one is gonna coddle you.


Stop trolling.  It's hyperbole but a perfectly valid analogy.  You can't willfully lie about your product to your customers in any other business.  This was not hype.  It was a set of very specific promises that were made leading up to the release.  For the most part, the opposite of these promises is what was delivered.

Besides which the game wasn't as good as the two preceding it.  Expecting it to be at least as good is not buying into the hype.  It's a perfectly rational assumption.  If the next MacBook I buy is worse than the one I'm typing this on, I'm going to be rightfully angry and return it to apple for a full refund.  After what was delivered, I should be allowed to return this game.

I'm glad you liked it.  Your opinion has no more value than anyone else's though.

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KotorEffect3 wrote...

ahandsomeshark wrote...

Muhkida wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Muhkida wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

scrapmetals wrote...

The game was decent, except for all those glitches. And the journal. And the lack of side quests. And squad development. And choices. And dialogue. And the ending.

Oh.



You are a nitpicker


You have to admit, those Citadel side-quests were fricken tedious.  Running into the wrong NPC to end one of them got real old.  Those damn asari all looked the same...

inb4thatsracist


Key word being sidequest, didn't have to do them. 


Are you saying you don't do the sidequests?  Who does that?  YOU'RE NOT REAL!:pinched:


The problem is they were bad sidequests. It's an rpg, sidequests are a staple of the genre. The problem was these sidequests were crappy.



Grissom academy was considered a sidequest are you calling that crappy?


Obviously not, maybe if you nitpicked a little more you'd realize that I was quoting an opinion about the citadel fetch side quests. Hence the "they were crappy sidequests" would be in reference to the citadel fetch quests.

See nitpicking could have saved you the time you spent typing an uneccessary question.

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ShepnTali wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

ahandsomeshark wrote...

Muhkida wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Muhkida wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

scrapmetals wrote...

The game was decent, except for all those glitches. And the journal. And the lack of side quests. And squad development. And choices. And dialogue. And the ending.

Oh.



You are a nitpicker


You have to admit, those Citadel side-quests were fricken tedious.  Running into the wrong NPC to end one of them got real old.  Those damn asari all looked the same...

inb4thatsracist


Key word being sidequest, didn't have to do them. 


Are you saying you don't do the sidequests?  Who does that?  YOU'RE NOT REAL!:pinched:


The problem is they were bad sidequests. It's an rpg, sidequests are a staple of the genre. The problem was these sidequests were crappy.



Grissom academy was considered a sidequest are you calling that crappy?


No, people are mainly talking about untrackable fetch quests. And they are necessary for a higher ems, and generally not fun, which is a problem.




Don't do all of them at once.  Spread them out.

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KotorEffect3 wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...

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Leonardo the Magnificent wrote...

While it's not necessarily a bad game, it is by all means mediocre and when you consider the role it was supposed to play and the potential leading up to it, it can be called indeed a bad game in comparison to what it should've been. And in some parts it really was poorly done.


Mediocre? I wanna know what kind of games you play on a regular basis to comparitively call this one mediocre. I must be missing out big time.


Mass Effect 1 and 2.



subjective opinion.  To me ME 3 and ME 2 are about equal and they both blow ME 1 out of the water.


Are you only talking combat wise? That's not what I ever cared about in Mass Effect.

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ahandsomeshark wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

ahandsomeshark wrote...

Muhkida wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Muhkida wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

scrapmetals wrote...

The game was decent, except for all those glitches. And the journal. And the lack of side quests. And squad development. And choices. And dialogue. And the ending.

Oh.



You are a nitpicker


You have to admit, those Citadel side-quests were fricken tedious.  Running into the wrong NPC to end one of them got real old.  Those damn asari all looked the same...

inb4thatsracist


Key word being sidequest, didn't have to do them. 


Are you saying you don't do the sidequests?  Who does that?  YOU'RE NOT REAL!:pinched:


The problem is they were bad sidequests. It's an rpg, sidequests are a staple of the genre. The problem was these sidequests were crappy.



Grissom academy was considered a sidequest are you calling that crappy?


Obviously not, maybe if you nitpicked a little more you'd realize that I was quoting an opinion about the citadel fetch side quests. Hence the "they were crappy sidequests" would be in reference to the citadel fetch quests.

See nitpicking could have saved you the time you spent typing an uneccessary question.



I refuse to turn into a nitpicker.  I refuse to turn into the enemy

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Also the good outweighs the bad yes, the good outweighs the bad for most games. I expect WAY more from Mass Effect and BIoware than the good simply outweighing the bad. That's like like bottom of the barrel standards.

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@ deathstroke. I give up You're just an idiot.

It doesn't matter what someone SAYS versus officially writes down. They are both held accountable for what they say. And sure, it's subject to change. But not TWO months before release when the game nearly gold.

You call me gullible? Seriously, try using your brain. The entire series suggested many things would happen in ME3. Forget the fact the devs said those things would happen; the game heavily suggested it would happen all by itself. And a lot of it didn't. Don't call me gullible for thinking a game would continue it's path.

And yeah. Silly me for thinking Bioware should do the right thing and admit their faults. "They're a business and business's don't do that". No...bad business's do that.

So good night, troll. Have fun not trusting or believing anything in your life.
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Velocithon wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Velocithon wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

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I don't understand this you are a nitpicker argument. If I pay 60 (or in this case 80) bucks for something damn right I'm gonna nitpick. Wtf is this kindergarten should I give Bioware a gold star for trying?



Nitipickers are spoiled little brats with entitlement issues that will complain about the most insignificant and trivial thing.


So you'd rather people not "complain" about small imperfections then, and then see these imperfections repeated in future games?

Nitpicking is a good thing. For instance, the journal. Not at all game breaking, but a bit frustrating at times. I "complain" (your words) about it because I think it's something that could be improved. I doubt it will, but I'll voice my opinion in hopes that it gets recognized and that future games will correct it.

So try being less of a troll and calling people whining entitled brats next time, okay.


Complaining also leads to good things being cut because people that like something won't speak up about what they like because they just focus on the negative.  Harbinger would have had a bigger and better role in ME 3 if people hadn't whined about his taunts so much in ME 2.  We Harbi fans didn't speak up enough on his behalf.  Negativity is overrated and positivity is too often ignored. 


Then don't go off calling the complainers negative entitle brats simply because their voice is dominant. And you have zero evidence to show that Harbinger's role in ME3 was because of that.


Here was Biowares choice with whether or not to have Harbinger talk:

They let him talk with the same voice. Forum response: WTF Bioware, we made it clear we hated his stupid speeches/voice from the last game, god, why do you never listen to your fans?

Let him talk, give him a less stupid voice: WTF Bioware, he sounds nothing like he did last time, continuity much? This is why your plots are bad yatta yatta yatta.

Or

Don't let him talk at all, which is what they did: WTF Bioware, I thought he was a big deal, now he isn't talking, OMGWTFBBQ.

One way or another, people will find a reason to be pissed. Anyone who spends less then an hour on these boards a day will see that.

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FatalX7.0 wrote...

Deathstroke123 wrote...

Leonardo the Magnificent wrote...

While it's not necessarily a bad game, it is by all means mediocre and when you consider the role it was supposed to play and the potential leading up to it, it can be called indeed a bad game in comparison to what it should've been. And in some parts it really was poorly done.


Mediocre? I wanna know what kind of games you play on a regular basis to comparitively call this one mediocre. I must be missing out big time.


Mass Effect 1 and 2.


Look for my earlier post, sweetheart. Subjective is subjective.

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Let me remind you. A bad game is something like Mindjack, Superman 64 or Daikatana. ME3 cant be called a bad game by any stretch of an imagination, it is actually pretty decent. Sure it has its problems and isnt polished and there is alot of a wasted potential, but dont you dare call it a bad game. It doesnt deserve it. Neither does DA2. Dont get too zealous people in throwing labels like this around.

Devs did a decent job with the game, they could have done better yes, but still they deserve our thanks for their efforts. So thank you Bioware for ME3, on behalf of myself at least.


First go to www.google.com
next look up the defintion of the word opinion

there you go.

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FatalX7.0 wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...

Deathstroke123 wrote...

Leonardo the Magnificent wrote...

While it's not necessarily a bad game, it is by all means mediocre and when you consider the role it was supposed to play and the potential leading up to it, it can be called indeed a bad game in comparison to what it should've been. And in some parts it really was poorly done.


Mediocre? I wanna know what kind of games you play on a regular basis to comparitively call this one mediocre. I must be missing out big time.


Mass Effect 1 and 2.



subjective opinion.  To me ME 3 and ME 2 are about equal and they both blow ME 1 out of the water.


Are you only talking combat wise? That's not what I ever cared about in Mass Effect.



I am talking about everything.  ME 1 may have had the best story (that is highly subjective because despite it's ending I loved the theme of dread, terror, and the "this is the end of times" feel that ME 3 had) but when you factor in all the different components that make a game and compare them ME 1 does not hold a candle to ME 2 or ME 3.

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Deathstroke123 wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...

Deathstroke123 wrote...

Leonardo the Magnificent wrote...

While it's not necessarily a bad game, it is by all means mediocre and when you consider the role it was supposed to play and the potential leading up to it, it can be called indeed a bad game in comparison to what it should've been. And in some parts it really was poorly done.


Mediocre? I wanna know what kind of games you play on a regular basis to comparitively call this one mediocre. I must be missing out big time.


Mass Effect 1 and 2.


Look for my earlier post, sweetheart. Subjective is subjective.


Oh, shut up you arrogant piece of trash. ^_^

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Because this example isn't full of hyperbole at all.

And honestly, if I was stupid enough to not do my research to the point where I thought a bag of crap was the same as medicine, I'd only have myself to blame. Buyer beware, my friend. No one is gonna coddle you.


Stop trolling.  It's hyperbole but a perfectly valid analogy.  You can't willfully lie about your product to your customers in any other business.  This was not hype.  It was a set of very specific promises that were made leading up to the release.  For the most part, the opposite of these promises is what was delivered.

Besides which the game wasn't as good as the two preceding it.  Expecting it to be at least as good is not buying into the hype.  It's a perfectly rational assumption.  If the next MacBook I buy is worse than the one I'm typing this on, I'm going to be rightfully angry and return it to apple for a full refund.  After what was delivered, I should be allowed to return this game.

I'm glad you liked it.  Your opinion has no more value than anyone else's though.


I point out your flawed argument so I must be a troll.

K.

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One last thing, you're cleary wrong about Harbinger because, if you'd spend an hour on these boards, you'd see that most people are begging for Harbinger back. So obviously those fake responses you just made wouldn't happen.

GOOD NIGHT!

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KotorEffect3 wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...

Deathstroke123 wrote...

Leonardo the Magnificent wrote...

While it's not necessarily a bad game, it is by all means mediocre and when you consider the role it was supposed to play and the potential leading up to it, it can be called indeed a bad game in comparison to what it should've been. And in some parts it really was poorly done.


Mediocre? I wanna know what kind of games you play on a regular basis to comparitively call this one mediocre. I must be missing out big time.


Mass Effect 1 and 2.



subjective opinion.  To me ME 3 and ME 2 are about equal and they both blow ME 1 out of the water.


Are you only talking combat wise? That's not what I ever cared about in Mass Effect.



I am talking about everything.  ME 1 may have had the best story (that is highly subjective because despite it's ending I loved the theme of dread, terror, and the "this is the end of times" feel that ME 3 had) but when you factor in all the different components that make a game and compare them ME 1 does not hold a candle to ME 2 or ME 3.


That's too bad.

Here, this is a nice thread. http://social.biowar...ndex/11499397/1