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[jeweledleah]

Objectively speaking - this game is mediocre as an rpg. its even worse as a sequel.
too much auto dialogue, the plot was streamlined into a complete and utter linearity, planet scanning was made even more annoyed, yet a lot more necessary, they took a quest journal that worked perfectly in ME2 and turned it into useless mess, graphics are glitchy throughout the entire game, writing is... not very cohesive. some parts are good, other parts don't fit very well at all, especially if you try to go off the intended path, relationships and conversations in general - are binary toggles 99% of the time, side missions are repetitive, there's zero exploration, in adition to graphical bugs, there are glitched quests, disappearing dialogue, bugged gameplay (a lot of times, you cannot click on quest npc's even if you have the quest item you are supposed to give them, at one point my assault rifle just stopped firing. finally as a last ditch resort, I restarted the game, that seemed to fix it, but I find this unacceptable), face import function is still borked, what in a world happened to eyelashes on some of the male characters? one button to rule them all - was bad enough in ME2, only got worse in ME3 with addition of rolling.

and I haven't even touched the ending or unequal treatment of returning characters or male vs female Shepard.

Me3 is not a horrible game. but its far FAR from great. even not counting the ending

[Deathstroke123]

razor150 wrote...

Deathstroke123 wrote...

razor150 wrote...

Deathstroke123 wrote...

Hoid wrote...

It is a bad game, its not the worst thing ever. But it failed to meet the hyper and did not live up to its former glory. To me that makes it a bad game and it makes Bioware a bad game developer.

Name one game with a massive ad campaign to pull gullible chumps into praising the game prerelease that actually met the hype.

Not a one. I don't care if Final Fantasy 55 is the greatest thing mankind ever produced and it also gives you BJ's and pudding, there will still be a legion of miserable people online who will rage for years about how it didn't meet the hype. Gamers are an obnoxiously insatiable bunch, that's a fact of life as far as I'm concerned.

So where is similiar levels of rage over Call of Duty or Halo who hype there games up much further than ME and have far bigger fan bases?

This whole "people are disappointed because of hype" arguement is garbage, and is repeated by dittoheads for every franchise to put down those with legitimate gripes. No game that was hyped this much and was actually a great game has received this level of backlash. People will always be disappointed, but the Halo fans who were angry about the disappearance of the pistol in Halo 2 and it's bad ending are nothing in comparison to the people who hate the ending and think ME3 is a mediocre title. 

I don't know what makes you think the Halo series is a good comparison. When was the last time you saw a Cortana romance fan thread with over 2K pages of people talking about how awesome the character is? The point is that there are people out there, much like the fans who peruse these forums around the clock, who have invested ALOT both emotionally and time-wise into this series, of their own volition. These people are the kind who get involved in the hype, and unfortunately, they make up the majority of these boards, creating an echo chamber where unpopular opinions are taboo.

You want a good comparison for this 'community'? Browse the WoW forums. There are people there who have spent years of their life playing a fictional character in that game, and as such lash out from any little change that they don't like. Irrationality. It's something the 2 sites have in common.

Are you serious? You're saying people don't get as emotionally invested in Halo as Mass Effect? Do you really want to hang your hat on that? People only spend thousands of hours playing it, and people continue play it years after it was released but they have no emotional investment? Plus you are claiming hype is why people are unhappy, and no other game hypes itself up like Halo yet it never get anywhere near the backlash. Are people unhappy? Yep, that is unavoidable, but there has never been a campaign for changes like there has been like ME3 for any game.

You say my comparison is bad then bring up WoW? The WoW forums where are people complain about nerfs to their class, and buffs to other, and saying their class needs more buffs while this other class needs nerfed. If my comparison was bad your's is worse.

So you're saying people care about Halo's story just as much as ME's? LOL

That's honestly the funniest assumption I've heard today. Of course there aren't going to be people complaining as much about Halo, Halo is NOTHING but shooting and no one in their right mind gives half a **** about it's story. It's hard to **** up shooting, when that's the only focus.

Also, thanks for generalizing the WoW boards to only 2 topics. For every nerf/buff this thread, there's 3 of people saying 'This game isn't the same as it used to be, I am dissapoint, Blizzard sold it's soul to Activision, yatta yatta yatta." Sounds familiar, yeah?

Moving on.

[Sir Hecubus]

Deathstroke123 wrote...

KingKhan03 wrote...

Deathstroke123 wrote...

KingKhan03 wrote...

Deathstroke123 wrote...

KingKhan03 wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...

KingKhan03 wrote...

So let me get this straight, If you criticize something in the game that means you're the scum of the earth?

lol whut?

Yes, that's right.

Apparently ME3 is perfect and has no flaws whatsoever.

The journal was perfect
The sidequests were perfect
Dialogue was perfect
Ending was perfect

THE GAME IS PERFECT!!!





Nope.

Neither me nor anyone else here has called the game perfect. It's far from it.

The ending is undeniably bad, which is why I'm glad Bioware is acting on it.

Dialogue was fine, if not much more emotional this time out.

The journal was simply inconvinient. It didn't update, but I never needed it to. I could manage the objectives in my head. It wasn't that hard at all.

ME has always had time consuming side tasks to artificially extend playtime. In the first game, it was the copy-paste missions/planets (boring), in ME2 it was planet scanning (boring), and in ME3, it was the eavesdrop quests (boring. See the trend here?) If you're charging the big sidequests of being boring, like Grissom, Arlakh Company and the monestary, I'm gonna have to disagree with you there. All of them individually were more compelling then anything I did in ME1, excluding Ilos.

Really, your statement here just shows how you refuse to acknowledge an outside opinion. But that's par for the course on the BSN, so whatever.

Are you not doing the same thing? when someone called the game mediocre on the first page you basically called him a fool.

I'm all for outside opinions you could like the ending for all I care but don't call other people fools and tell them they are wrong if they dont.

The word fool or any sort of insult was not in what I said at all. Are your eyes working alright? Legit question.

I asked the guy what games he thought was so good comparitively to call this one mediocre. This too is a legitimate question, I was genuinely curious.

I get snide responses from others, and in response, I post my own opinions on the games listed. Foolish me, one the games I critiqued was ME1, the nostalgic 'can-do-no-wrong' lovechild of this forum. All responses following are in response to people basically saying 'What? You prefered the 3rd game to the 1st? Plebian.'

The immaturity on display here is honestly staggering.

But when people criticize ME3 the criticisms are invalid? People didn't think the game lived up to expectations it's an opinion they are not wrong for thinking so, The complaints are valid.

Also I apologize if I read your first post wrong but don't claim that your opinion is dismissedwhile you try to convince others that theirs is invalid.

Not invalid, but blown entirely out of proportion. If you have a complaint about the end, or the combat, or any other important aspect of the game, fine. I may feel differently, but fine. Once you start citeing the slightly inconvienient journal or the increased autodialogue (or rather same dialogue you would've got, just without you pushing a button first) as major points against the game, that's when criticizism becomes needless nitpicking. Tell me true, were you sitting there, playing the game and thinking 'God, I wish the journal was better' and that was all you could think about? Did it somehow disturb you that much? Because reading the complaints, that's the impression I get from people.

When you fail to get little things as simple as a working journal, that doesn't bode well for the rest of the game. yes its nitpicky and doens't really break the game but how does something like that regress so much?

It just baffles me that so much effort was put into parts of the game but others were almost ignored, the game was rushed nothing will change my mind about that.

The game was far from bad but it wasn't as good as it should have been.

[ahandsomeshark]

Wait, how is complaining about auto dialogue in an rpg that invented the dialogue wheel nitpicking? Wtf, Mass Effect was BUILT on dialogue. Have you ever seen the pre ME1 trailers and promotions it's just them gushing about how awesome the dialogue wheel is and how they're trying to change the way dialogue and choice work in games. Why in the world would anyone consider combat a more valid complaint than dialogue in a bioware game? 

And seriously? Journals are a fixture of rpg games. That's one of the most basic things they should get right. And yes I absolutely was sitting there complaining about the journal and the autodialogue, why wouldn't I be when there were 30 some fetch quests and I never knew what I had collected and who I needed to talk to (or one of my biggest issues was on the From Ashes mission I can never tell when I've collected all of the computer data for Eden Prime). How is that nitpicking? That's a major game flaw in a game with as many fetch quests as ME3.

Modifié par ahandsomeshark, 27 avril 2012 - 02:11 .

[ahandsomeshark]

And what how is it the same dialogue you would get? The dialogue was absolutely not the same in ME1 and ME2 regardless of what button you pushed.

[liggy002]

   It is not perfect nor what I what I would call a great game.  It is straddling somewhere between good/decent.  They took a lot of the RPG out of it and that sucked a lot of the appeal out of it for me - ex.  Mako Missions, planetary exploration,  more extensive dialogue wheel, too many fetch quests, only one town area in the game, lack of side quests in the game, no getting to choose which planet you go to first,  sidequests were the same as multiplayer maps (many were).  Harbinger's reduced role unless the IT is true.    And, of course, the ending.

  Basically, this game should have had more of the elements of ME1 and ME2, then it would have qualified as good.  For me, it is only ok.  If they do something great with the ending (Indoctrination Theory) then the game would qualify as good but not great because it is missing the elements I described above.  This game does not deserve the game of the year award.  Overall, it was enjoyable until the ending.  It is just decent to me.

[warrior256]

Honestly, I wouldn't say it is a bad game. Rather, I would argue that it is an average game. Really, there are a lot of flaws in this game outside of the ending. There are countless glitches, the Tali stock photo issue, and an overall decline in the quality of gameplay (at least in my opinion). Again, it's not a bad game, but it is far from an amazing game as well.

[Unholyknight800]

Average game. It has its moments but it fails to deliver a true epic.

[Deathstroke123]

Sir Hecubus wrote...

Deathstroke123 wrote...

KingKhan03 wrote...

Deathstroke123 wrote...

KingKhan03 wrote...

Deathstroke123 wrote...

KingKhan03 wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...

KingKhan03 wrote...

So let me get this straight, If you criticize something in the game that means you're the scum of the earth?

lol whut?

Yes, that's right.

Apparently ME3 is perfect and has no flaws whatsoever.

The journal was perfect
The sidequests were perfect
Dialogue was perfect
Ending was perfect

THE GAME IS PERFECT!!!





Nope.

Neither me nor anyone else here has called the game perfect. It's far from it.

The ending is undeniably bad, which is why I'm glad Bioware is acting on it.

Dialogue was fine, if not much more emotional this time out.

The journal was simply inconvinient. It didn't update, but I never needed it to. I could manage the objectives in my head. It wasn't that hard at all.

ME has always had time consuming side tasks to artificially extend playtime. In the first game, it was the copy-paste missions/planets (boring), in ME2 it was planet scanning (boring), and in ME3, it was the eavesdrop quests (boring. See the trend here?) If you're charging the big sidequests of being boring, like Grissom, Arlakh Company and the monestary, I'm gonna have to disagree with you there. All of them individually were more compelling then anything I did in ME1, excluding Ilos.

Really, your statement here just shows how you refuse to acknowledge an outside opinion. But that's par for the course on the BSN, so whatever.

Are you not doing the same thing? when someone called the game mediocre on the first page you basically called him a fool.

I'm all for outside opinions you could like the ending for all I care but don't call other people fools and tell them they are wrong if they dont.

The word fool or any sort of insult was not in what I said at all. Are your eyes working alright? Legit question.

I asked the guy what games he thought was so good comparitively to call this one mediocre. This too is a legitimate question, I was genuinely curious.

I get snide responses from others, and in response, I post my own opinions on the games listed. Foolish me, one the games I critiqued was ME1, the nostalgic 'can-do-no-wrong' lovechild of this forum. All responses following are in response to people basically saying 'What? You prefered the 3rd game to the 1st? Plebian.'

The immaturity on display here is honestly staggering.

But when people criticize ME3 the criticisms are invalid? People didn't think the game lived up to expectations it's an opinion they are not wrong for thinking so, The complaints are valid.

Also I apologize if I read your first post wrong but don't claim that your opinion is dismissedwhile you try to convince others that theirs is invalid.

Not invalid, but blown entirely out of proportion. If you have a complaint about the end, or the combat, or any other important aspect of the game, fine. I may feel differently, but fine. Once you start citeing the slightly inconvienient journal or the increased autodialogue (or rather same dialogue you would've got, just without you pushing a button first) as major points against the game, that's when criticizism becomes needless nitpicking. Tell me true, were you sitting there, playing the game and thinking 'God, I wish the journal was better' and that was all you could think about? Did it somehow disturb you that much? Because reading the complaints, that's the impression I get from people.

When you fail to get little things as simple as a working journal, that doesn't bode well for the rest of the game. yes its nitpicky and doens't really break the game but how does something like that regress so much?

It just baffles me that so much effort was put into parts of the game but others were almost ignored, the game was rushed nothing will change my mind about that.

The game was far from bad but it wasn't as good as it should have been.

But SO WHAT? It's like you said, they are LITTLE THINGS. Little. Insignifcant. Things. Anyone can complain about little things in any game, but BSN likes to take it a step further.

Example: Growing up, LoZ: OoT was one of my favorite games. But uh oh, looking back though, the day/night mechanic was bad, the Goron Sword sidequest was boring, the woods maze was stupid, Navi was annoying, and the water temple was pure torture. I'm gonna dock the game half a point for each of these, so we come to a 7.5/10. It's sad to see how much potential was there, but I guess Nintendo was just lazy.

See something wrong with the review there? I mentioned NOTHING about the core game mechanics and instead focused on small, ignorable issues, which is EXACTLY was BSN's favorite game to play is. **** the good, focus on the bad, no matter how small. Give me a ****ing break.

[liggy002]

These aren't little, insignifcant things that people are complaining about. They are valid concerns. Walking through a Keeper during the end sequence is insignificant in my opinion. Removing the RPG elements, as an example, is not.

[ahandsomeshark]

How is the dialogue not one of the core game mechanics of the Mass Effect franchise? How are journals not one of the core game mechanics of RPGs. What in the world do you consider core game mechanics in rpgs?

[Deathstroke123]

ahandsomeshark wrote...

And what how is it the same dialogue you would get? The dialogue was absolutely not the same in ME1 and ME2 regardless of what button you pushed.

I can recall plenty of times from the first and second where there was a minimal difference in what you picked in the dialogue wheel. The point is, the main purpose of the dialogue wheel is to make the big choices ingame, or to set a topic. There are plenty of times in the first and second where no matter the choice in the dialogue wheel, the samel thing would happen, and the wheel was only there to give the illusion of choice. I always thought it broke up the flow of the conversation, so I'm glad they eased up on overdoing it in 3. But w/e, just my opinion.

[Mr.BlazenGlazen]

Watch what happens when EC comes out and it actually turns out to be great.

[DTKT]

Mr.BlazenGlazen wrote...

Watch what happens when EC comes out and it actually turns out to be great.

Watch what happens when EC comes out and it actually turns out to fix nothing about the endings.

[indyracing]

Armass81 wrote...

Let me remind you. A bad game is something like Mindjack, Superman 64 or Daikatana. ME3 cant be called a bad game by any stretch of an imagination, it is actually pretty decent. Sure it has its problems and isnt polished and there is alot of a wasted potential, but dont you dare call it a bad game. It doesnt deserve it. Neither does DA2. Dont get too zealous people in throwing labels like this around.

Devs did a decent job with the game, they could have done better yes, but still they deserve our thanks for their efforts. So thank you Bioware for ME3, on behalf of myself at least.

After finishing the game, I feel it's the least value for money I've ever gotten from a Bioware game.

It is the Bioware game I enjoyed (overall) the least.

It will be the Bioware game I replay the least (I won't replay it).

It has the worst ending to any story that I, personally, have ever encountered in any form of storytelling (book, movie, tv, game).

It is easily the the game I have felt the "least fullfilled" upon finishing it, of all games I have finished.

Oh, I've never played Mindjack, Superman 64 or Daikatana - and have only heard of Daikatana, not the other two.

But, to your point about "bad games" - my overall experience with Mass Effect 3 was a negative one.  I wouldn't ever say it was a "good game" because of that.  Most games, when I'm done, I feel it was "time well wasted", as in I was entertained.  My overall experience with ME 3 was not "time well wasted".  Parts of it were, but overall - no.

To me, that puts ME 3 in the "bad game" category well before it could ever be in the "good game" category.

[Deathstroke123]

liggy002 wrote...

These aren't little, insignifcant things that people are complaining about. They are valid concerns. Walking through a Keeper during the end sequence is insignificant in my opinion. Removing the RPG elements, as an example, is not.

You mean removing the planet exploration that everyone complained about? Or the vehicle portions that everyone complained about? Or the inventory system... that everyone complained about? I'm seeing a pattern here. One day, the BSN calls for something to be removed, the next they complain that it was removed. And then they say Bioware doesn't listen. Oi.

[Sir Hecubus]

Fair enough but how does the journal regress? and why does it regress?

I think what is happening is that the ending was such a letdown for many people that they are finding other things wrong with the game. If the game had a better ending, i think people would ignore other things. But when a game is rushed and just okay in same areas, great in 2 parts, and horrible at the end, you best believe people are going to rip the game apart.

The game is not a bad or broken game but it is rushed with little to no time on things that were done quite well in the previous games. You don't regress in areas you did well in previous games. You get better in areas that needed work, while i feel the combat is a little better but still so much emphasis on 1 freaking button.

They aren't insignificant when previous games did it well. When something reaches a standard(like the journal had) you don't regress and expect people to ignore it and not complain about it.

The game is rushed, no matter what anyone says. This isn't up to standards set by bioware themselves.

[Zolt51]

What I see in this thread is precisely the reason why I think Bioware should not bother to make the EC. People who loved the game still love it regardless, people who weren't so taken with it now think it's mediocre. I don't think there's all that much more money they can make from the franchise.

Working 4 months for free on the EC, which is guaranteed a mixed reception at best, in the *hope* that it will help them sell more DLC in the future, that's not very good business.

[Sir Hecubus]

What happened to the mini hack games? rushed game?
what happened to good side quests? rushed game?
crappy journal, rushed game?
horrible ending. rushed game?
lack of dialogue options. rushed game?

see the pattern?

[cuzsal]

the game was great, so much so that man tears were shed, there were times i was just in awe of the story, so many great moments in ME3, then the final level which was not that great, then no final boss fight, then god/star child trolling the 5 years of mass effect i played makes it feel like such a total waste

;(

[Muhkida]

Zolt51 wrote...

What I see in this thread is precisely the reason why I think Bioware should not bother to make the EC. People who loved the game still love it regardless, people who weren't so taken with it now think it's mediocre. I don't think there's all that much more money they can make from the franchise.

Working 4 months for free on the EC, which is guaranteed a mixed reception at best, in the *hope* that it will help them sell more DLC in the future, that's not very good business.

You also have to realize that a lot of the fans will use the EC to determine whether or not they'll invest in future Bioware products, or buy them at a cut price when the game has been out for awhile instead.  I agree that doing this isn't smart moneywise right now, but it can possibly save face PR wise and push the stock rates up slightly from now.

Modifié par Muhkida, 27 avril 2012 - 02:37 .

[ahandsomeshark]

Zolt51 wrote...

What I see in this thread is precisely the reason why I think Bioware should not bother to make the EC. People who loved the game still love it regardless, people who weren't so taken with it now think it's mediocre. I don't think there's all that much more money they can make from the franchise.

Working 4 months for free on the EC, which is guaranteed a mixed reception at best, in the *hope* that it will help them sell more DLC in the future, that's not very good business.

it's not about the franchise it's about the bioware brand. It's an attempt to say, okay when we screw up we will admit it and try and fix it so fans won't abandon bioware games all together. 

And I think most fans will buy DLC if they think Bioware is at least trying to fix their mistakes. Especially since one of the major complaints is lack of side quests and the most obvious DLC would add sidequests.

Edit: Also there's a difference between thinking it's a mediocre game and thinking it's a mediocre bioware game, a lot of the fans who think it's medicore would still buy DLC because they still enjoy it more than other games on the market. They just think it was a let down compared to previous games.

Modifié par ahandsomeshark, 27 avril 2012 - 02:38 .

[DnVill]

Sir Hecubus wrote...

What happened to the mini hack games? rushed game?
what happened to good side quests? rushed game?
crappy journal, rushed game?
horrible ending. rushed game?
lack of dialogue options. rushed game?

see the pattern?

or it could be...

What happened to the mini hack games? got lazy?
what happened to good side quests? 
got lazy ?
crappy journal, 
got lazy ?
horrible ending. 
got lazy ?
lack of dialogue options. 
got lazy? 


I honestly think that ME's past success has bloated their egos and they're just going "Whatever we do, they'll love it"

[ticklefist]

jeweledleah wrote...

Objectively speaking - this game is mediocre as an rpg. its even worse as a sequel.
too much auto dialogue, the plot was streamlined into a complete and utter linearity, planet scanning was made even more annoyed, yet a lot more necessary, they took a quest journal that worked perfectly in ME2 and turned it into useless mess, graphics are glitchy throughout the entire game, writing is... not very cohesive. some parts are good, other parts don't fit very well at all, especially if you try to go off the intended path, relationships and conversations in general - are binary toggles 99% of the time, side missions are repetitive, there's zero exploration, in adition to graphical bugs, there are glitched quests, disappearing dialogue, bugged gameplay (a lot of times, you cannot click on quest npc's even if you have the quest item you are supposed to give them, at one point my assault rifle just stopped firing. finally as a last ditch resort, I restarted the game, that seemed to fix it, but I find this unacceptable), face import function is still borked, what in a world happened to eyelashes on some of the male characters? one button to rule them all - was bad enough in ME2, only got worse in ME3 with addition of rolling.

and I haven't even touched the ending or unequal treatment of returning characters or male vs female Shepard.

Me3 is not a horrible game. but its far FAR from great. even not counting the ending

No argument here. Surprised to seesome recall so many actual real issues in one post. I usually forget half of them by the middle of my first sentence.

Modifié par ticklefist, 27 avril 2012 - 02:42 .

[Sangheili_1337]

The OP is overreacting. Most people enjoyed the game. In no way is anyone calling ME 3 the worst game of all time. ME 3 has flaws like any game and those flaws could be overlooked with the exception that is the ending which was so bad that it ruined the experience. Take away the ending and the majority would consider it a worthy sequel.

Overall I wouldn't rate it the best in the series even without taking the ending into account but I would have been satisfied.