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[UltmtBiz]

I agree with what most of what the OP said, but they don't deserve my thanks. They already got my money. But a lot of the talented people who worked on it should be proud what they did. The goofs who wrote the ending, not so much.

[bpzrn]

play a game 1 time and it gives no motivation to play it again, then its bad.

[adam32867]

i remember when superman 64 came out...

[shnellegaming]

Theta Thetis wrote...

The game itself was magnificent, the ending... not so much...

Yeppers

ME1 and ME2 were better though

[Blodricter]

Loved the Game! Loved the way things ended with some of the situations of the universe [the Genophage, the Geth/Quarian War]

But yea.. the ending... not so much.

[Armass81]

DnVill wrote...

Sir Hecubus wrote...

What happened to the mini hack games? rushed game?
what happened to good side quests? rushed game?
crappy journal, rushed game?
horrible ending. rushed game?
lack of dialogue options. rushed game?

see the pattern?

I honestly think that ME's past success has bloated their egos and they're just going "Whatever we do, they'll love it"

The Square-Enix route with FF.

I dont think Bioware is quite there.... yet.

Modifié par Armass81, 27 avril 2012 - 03:12 .

[Muhkida]

Armass81 wrote...

DnVill wrote...

Sir Hecubus wrote...

What happened to the mini hack games? rushed game?
what happened to good side quests? rushed game?
crappy journal, rushed game?
horrible ending. rushed game?
lack of dialogue options. rushed game?

see the pattern?

I honestly think that ME's past success has bloated their egos and they're just going "Whatever we do, they'll love it"

The Square-Enix route with FF.

I dont think Bioware is quite there.... yet.

Gods help them if Nexon somehow actually does buyout EA

[soulprovider]

 average game, less than average when you take into account that everything you did meant nothing and that it destroys the entire franchise in 10 minutes, its quite a feat just not a good one.

the reason for my average is that when you actually look at the game and reverse everything

most popular example would be the rachni

ME1 save the rachni = enslaved rachni queen who allies with you is you save her, not to mention her army disappearing and her going from helping you to working for the reapers and returnign to her homeworld where the krogan are ever vigilant(still trying to figure out how)

ME1 kill the rachni = cerberus somehow clones the rachni queen who if you rescue her she goes completely beserk and knocks down your war assests

Me 2 = save the geth heretics, nothing but dialogue
ME 2 = kill the heretics = nothing but dialogue

Me2 prevent talis exile = dialogue
Me2 get tali exiled = mission plays the same but there is a change in dialogue
ME2 successfully convince the quarians that war with the geth is not a good idea = quarians go to war with the geth and put their entire race in danger.

me2= have your squadmates survive = 80% of everyone from the ME universe returns
ME2 = have your squadmates die = 30% of your ME1 squadmates returns, couple of missions change slightly and two squadmates massively effect the third mission

ME1 save kirrahe - get 20 war assets
me1 let kirrahe die - get 35 war assets

no need to continue anymore.

point being that for the most part the game is good but its way to short, the journal is a train wreck, exploration is minimal, side missions are lackluster and minimal,glorified annoying anime ninjas that are immortal and will not die until the store allows them to die.....check:whistle:the last mission feels like the multiplayer on gold and is very poor and then that ending plagerized from deus ex:sick:. All this combined makes for an average and rushed game

Many could overlook the flaws if the ending was good and DLC trickled out that made for a more rewarding experince that also fixed some of the issues but that ending is so bad they litereally make like the first two games didn't even exist..

[Necrotron]

Umm...having an extremely polished and well produced choose your own adventure only to violently take control of the player's character at the end and force them to comply with the main villain is kind of...I don't know...frustrating.

Because the game exhibits such polish and immersion throughout, it really makes the Titantic sinking at the end ruin the entire experience. If it was just a crappy game, no one would care.

The fact is, it's a AAA game title that explodes in the end and slaps your character's motivations in the face, by taking complete control of your character and forcing you to choose one of three pre-determined 'the bad guys win' endings.

There is a reason there is such a backlash.

[Chuvvy]

I do. Bad animations, bugs, sprites, 31 DA2 style fetch quests, cameos everywhere, only a few choices change anything, average GoW clone combat, lack of side characters, auto dialog, terrible journal, one hub world, and a last level that was by far the low point of the entire trilogy. ME3 needed at least another year of dev time, but EA had to rush it out the door to make that game a year quota. We'll see DA3 in 2013, I know we will.

[Armass81]

Ill be honest, im really 2 minds about the ending. Doesnt bother me that much cause I can kinda see what they tried to do there. It didnt work, but i can still see it.

Still they did screw up, there is no doubt about that. Whatever Casey, or Mac or whoever made the decision was thinking at the time, my opinion on that decision is here.

Still its 5 minutes of the total game, it cant possibly pull the score from 10 to 0, that is just insane IMO.

Modifié par Armass81, 27 avril 2012 - 03:34 .

[Sublyminal]

And then there are too many people out there like the OP that assume because we dislike the endings that we think the whole game is bad. There's an old saying OP.... Assuming makes an ass out of U and ME. SO don't assume, k?

[Varus Praetor]

For a AAA title, ME3 and DA2 are bad games. If I can't even get a second play through because I'm so revolted, it's bad.

If the kid with Down Syndrome runs a 30 second 100 meter dash, we applaud because it falls within our expectations. If Usain Bolt runs a 30 second 100 meter dash, we boo because of the epic fail that represents relative to his past performance. ME3 collapsed at the finish line and did not complete the race. Hence the outrage.

[Johcande XX]

To the OP, words like bad, mediocre, great, exemplary; these are RELATIVE terms. This means that to different people the overall game's rating is different. Telling people to base all of their ratings systems off of the few terrible games you listed in your post, does not win your argument. What if a person has never played/seen those games?

IMO, (which you should have started your post off with), the game is good. A 7/10 all things considered; a step up in graphics and gameplay mechanics, though a step down in story, LI dialogue, and the gameplay model. ( I didn't want Gears of War: Reaper ed.)

[Karolus_V]

In the end, the game isnt bad(wot I am not refering to the ending), but, the last we see isnt pretty,so it sticks more, and the last we read is "downloable content", a pair of words that cause many people to freak out , because what people have seen attached with this name.

And with ME in particular, I think a majority of us were waiting , when we start that last chapter, something so utterly awesome ...but we got something that seems rushed or with the corners cut. And the ending itself...well the uproar speaks for themselve.

[Armass81]

Sublyminal wrote...

And then there are too many people out there like the OP that assume because we dislike the endings that we think the whole game is bad. There's an old saying OP.... Assuming makes an ass out of U and ME. SO don't assume, k?

It kinda makes you think tough, ME2 has these huge issues with its "story", side missions, whatever, which Smudboy for one has demonstrated with his multiple videos, yet people despise him and love ME2. They seem to forgive a lot for some reason. Why? Cause the characters were good? What if the ending to ME2 was as bad as for this game? How different would the reaction be here?

ME2 isnt that great a game either, yet people here seem to treat it now like its the second coming or something. Before that it was ME1. Again a game with plenty of problems and story holes. But the endings were good so who cares?

Now because of 5 minutes in the end, ME3 = Cheetahmen(a really bad game) apparently to some people.

if you look at the whole trilogy, its a mess. Its a good game mess, but still a mess. And it becomes a mess when you dont have a clear direction where your story goes.

Modifié par Armass81, 27 avril 2012 - 03:54 .

[Wes Finley]

Armass81 wrote...

Let me remind you. A bad game is something like Mindjack, Superman 64 or Daikatana.

Bad is subjective, not absolute. Those examples are shovelware, literally trash disguised as video games.

Mass Effect 3 fails to deliver on the promises made by the developers prior to release, poorly delivers on aspects that were great successes in previous enstallments, and has, via the on going ending controversy, tarnished the entire IP's reputation in the industry in a BIG way.

I will not downplay ME3's triumphs, where it's polished, it is a FANTASTIC game, but I cannot in fairness ignore the negative aspects of the title to prop up the good.

[Ryven]

I don't think it was a bad game. I think it wasn't as good as 1 or 2 and I have a few qualms with some of it but I still enjoyed it up until the last 5 minutes.

Hell, I probably wouldn't still be here if I thought it was a terrible game. I see the potential in what it could have been and I am hoping the EC takes care of that.

Modifié par Xydorn, 27 avril 2012 - 03:46 .

[lordofdogtown19]

shnellegaming wrote...

The game itself was magnificent, the ending... not so much..

[Sublyminal]

Armass81 wrote...

Sublyminal wrote...

And then there are too many people out there like the OP that assume because we dislike the endings that we think the whole game is bad. There's an old saying OP.... Assuming makes an ass out of U and ME. SO don't assume, k?

It kinda makes you think tough, ME2 has these huge issues with its "story", side missions, whatever, which Smudboy for one has demonstrated with his multiple videos, yet people despise him and love ME2. They seem to forgive a lot for some reason. Why? Cause the characters were good? What if the ending to ME2 was as bad as for this game? How different would the reaction be here?

ME2 isnt that great a game either, yet people here seem to treat it now like its the second coming or something. Before that it was ME1. Again a game with plenty of problems and story holes. But the endings were good so who cares?

Now because of 5 minutes in the end, ME3 = Cheetahmen(a really bad game) apparently to some people.

I don't think any game can ever be as bad as Cheetahmen... my god. I actually liked ME2, then again, I am a Talimancer so that probably took away from the bad story.

[k-stigus]

game wasn't bad, but wasn't as good as 2 and 1 IMO. It felt like I was playing 75% of a ME game

[Ansible]

arial wrote...

most of the people who are calling it a bad game are to young to remember games like Superman 64

Why do you assume this?

I'm going to guess it's because, typically over the internet, someone who doesn't share the same opinion as you, or someone you view as "stupid" is assumed to be a child, or younger than you are.

When, in most cases, someones opinion on an issue can be just as valid as someone elses, despite the age difference, if there is any at all.

A lesson I had to learn early on.

[Meltemph]

This discussion reminds me of all the people who initially tried to defend Crystal Skull, as a good movie. More or less the same arguments were used, you expected to much from the Director, there was good stuff in it, had higher production values and that it was better then other movies that came out that year.

I mean ya, sure, that is subjective too, but that is why we have the saying "bad taste".

Modifié par Meltemph, 27 avril 2012 - 04:01 .

[Naoe]

ME3 is a mediocre shooter.
ME3 is a bad RPG. (sub par character development, sub par customization, few team members, badly written dialogue, story full of holes, contradictions and poorly used deus ex machinas)
For RPG fan like me, that makes it a bad game.

[Wompoo]

The game was not brilliant by any means overall, shallow/limited character builds, rpg ultra light and dodgy animations (especially with Femshep's walk and run, she looked like a bow legged chicken with haemorrhoids). Yet there was some brilliant and touching moments, with some of the mission in and of themselves extremely well done.

However the ending was a slap in the face, a poorly written and executed ultra poor rip off an old game classic, DX. The ending caught me by surprise at first, I thought I had actually done something very very wrong and reloaded... then stunned disbelief set in. The ending is just so poor (standard internet disclaimer imho) I cannot bring myself to play the game until it is fixed (the ending to me is the retake Earth section onwards) if ever. The artistic statement was also a very foolish one and smelt of poor emotive damage control. If I was to just focus on everything before Tim and fail, yes it was a very enjoyable game over all (although War asset accumulation was a boring affair with absolutely no substance) I guess.

So up and until Tim's base I gave the game a 9. For Tim's base onwards, the game crashes to a very poor 5. Endings are very very important and it is something the gaming industry fails and fails with almost every time. One thing is for certain, I now no longer trust this company's honesty or artistic integrity... and the game reviewers have also proven just how pathetic and inadequate they truly are.