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[Clayless]

Reidbynature wrote...

Yes, becaue it's just a geek thing to be outraged by someone unknown rewriting your dna and making you transhuman against your will.  Ethical concerns are for nerds!  

You could complain to the person that did it. Oh wait you don't know who did, and they're dead anyway.

You could complain to, uh, the government for being in the same boat as you?

Hmm.

[Reidbynature]

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

You could complain to the person that did it. Oh wait you don't know who did, and they're dead anyway.

You could complain to, uh, the government for being in the same boat as you?

Hmm.

Your post makes no sense.  What's supposed to be the point of it?

[Zolt51]

Reidbynature wrote...

Your post makes no sense.  What's supposed to be the point of it?

I think I got the point very well.

"I rewrote your DNA! Bwaaahaha. Pwnd! Now watcha gonna do?" 

Kind of puerile but... I like it.

[Reidbynature]

Zolt51 wrote...

Reidbynature wrote...

Your post makes no sense.  What's supposed to be the point of it?

I think I got the point very well.

"I rewrote your DNA! Bwaaahaha. Pwnd! Now watcha gonna do?" 

Kind of puerile but... I like it.

It's not really a point though.  It's just baiting then.


Edit:  Although I might as well add that OP doesn't stipulate that who ever did it is dead in his what if or that it's even Shepard.  His originally what if is that open ended you can speculate just about anything since there's no real boundaries.  Not to mention that in ME3 Shepard actually survives under the right conditions.

Modifié par Reidbynature, 27 avril 2012 - 12:21 .

[Zolt51]

JediHealerCosmin wrote...

"I never asked for this." 

Shut up, I did!

I don't know exactly what synthesis implies and that's kind of the problem but... on the practical side our bodies ought to be much less prone to sickness, aging and such. That alone is a significant perk.

Also I can troll the Internet without needing to use a keyboard or any clumsy, primitive man-machine interface.

[Reidbynature]

Zolt51 wrote...

JediHealerCosmin wrote...

"I never asked for this." 

Shut up, I did!

Yup, that's the reasoned arguments that typify the BSN. 

[Clayless]

Reidbynature wrote...

Zolt51 wrote...

Reidbynature wrote...

Your post makes no sense.  What's supposed to be the point of it?

I think I got the point very well.

"I rewrote your DNA! Bwaaahaha. Pwnd! Now watcha gonna do?" 

Kind of puerile but... I like it.

It's not really a point though.  It's just baiting then.


Edit:  Although I might as well add that OP doesn't stipulate that who ever did it is dead in his what if or that it's even Shepard.  His originally what if is that open ended you can speculate just about anything since there's no real boundaries.  Not to mention that in ME3 Shepard actually survives under the right conditions.

It's pointing out how pointless it is to be outraged. Who are you going to be outraged at?

Plus all the OP states is what happens if Synthesis happened today, and brings attention to us being a pre-space faring species, so we're going to assume the green pulse came from space.

[JediHealerCosmin]

Zolt51 wrote...

JediHealerCosmin wrote...

"I never asked for this." 

Shut up, I did!

Hehehe, that made me smile   Thanks mate.

[Reidbynature]

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

Reidbynature wrote...

Zolt51 wrote...

Reidbynature wrote...

Your post makes no sense.  What's supposed to be the point of it?

I think I got the point very well.

"I rewrote your DNA! Bwaaahaha. Pwnd! Now watcha gonna do?" 

Kind of puerile but... I like it.

It's not really a point though.  It's just baiting then.


Edit:  Although I might as well add that OP doesn't stipulate that who ever did it is dead in his what if or that it's even Shepard.  His originally what if is that open ended you can speculate just about anything since there's no real boundaries.  Not to mention that in ME3 Shepard actually survives under the right conditions.

It's pointing out how pointless it is to be outraged. Who are you going to be outraged at?

Plus all the OP states is what happens if Synthesis happened today, and brings attention to us being a pre-space faring species, so we're going to assume the green pulse came from space.

It's not pointless.  It's a natural human reaction and would probably be part of the grieving process.  Even in the absence of a culprit it doesn't become pointless.  People aren't simply going to fall in line because they can compute pi as if it was as easy as blinking. Some will of course be fine with it, but I don't see the whole human race just being fine with being turned transhuman/cybernetic against their will.

Also again, the OP doesn't give much if any real boundaries to his what if scenario (not to mention that there is little context as to the effects of Synthesis in the actual game). Who's to say that aliens involved don't arrive on Earth after the incident? What if Synthesis allows for the possibly technological connection of the various minds on Earth and beyond? There's too much room for further what ifs (though that probably goes for the game as well).

[Peranor]

For synthesis to work in the long run our ability to evolve has to be removed. But not just evolution in terms of genetics as the starkid seems to suggest..
Our individuality has to be removed as well. Creativity, independent thinking and the ability to question things has to be removed. In essence everything that makes life beautiful has to be removed. We have to become husks.
If any of those things are allowed to remain synthesis is pointless as a "solution". It will just start over again.
The cycle will not be broken, as the reapers would say.

Modifié par anorling, 27 avril 2012 - 12:51 .

[Clayless]

It's not what would you do if aliens arrived after, it's what would you do if (OP post).

You could be outraged by it but it's pointless as there's nothing you could do about it. If it did make you smart enough to create something that could also reverse it, then good luck convincing people to give up (being immortal/basically being psychic/other advantages). If it didn't give you any advantages and just make you half organic and synthetic but otherwise exactly the same, then what would you change? It'd be a waste of time and resources.

[Nassegris]

I’d be heartbroken.

Being human is part of my identity. Being… mortal is definitely who I am. My interests and hobbies, my favourite foods, the smells I like, the sensations I enjoy. The simple pleasure of curling up with a good book or taking a long, long soak after an exhausting day.

Overcoming obstacles and living through pain is part of what makes us humble, and good. My body hurting for a day after rigorous exercise. My toes tingling when I feel pleasure or spine going cold with fear. My stomach aching when I laugh, or my eyes smarting when I weep. The comfort I take from a cup of hot cocoa on a cold day. I don’t want to be superhuman, I don’t want to be immortal. I want to be me. My body as it is, is my temple. It isn’t just a shell I’m housed in. I am more than just the sum of my parts.

I'm also everything between the lines that isn't written out in my genetic code but definitely affected by the way my body works.

You can’t change me so fundamentally without upsetting the balance of who I am. This isn’t the equivalent of surgery or being sick. It’s the equivalent of losing everything you knew about yourself. The concept is horrific to me.

For that choice – to leave such a great part of me behind – to fall into someone else’s hands, it’s appalling. If it happened, I’m not sure that I could go on.

Modifié par Nassegris, 27 avril 2012 - 12:58 .

[kevchy]

I'd speculate hard.

Then I'd speculate some more.

[VarrenSoldier]

Then sex might become awkward.
Or maybe not.

[Reidbynature]

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

It's not what would you do if aliens arrived after, it's what would you do if (OP post).

You could be outraged by it but it's pointless as there's nothing you could do about it. If it did make you smart enough to create something that could also reverse it, then good luck convincing people to give up (being immortal/basically being psychic/other advantages). If it didn't give you any advantages and just make you half organic and synthetic but otherwise exactly the same, then what would you change? It'd be a waste of time and resources.

Again, OP doesn't leave a lot of boundaries.  We can go back and forth on his intent, but he doesn't spell out whether the person who did it is dead (I didn't see you complaining when you added that in your post).  He says what if Synthesis happend today to a pre-space age people like we are.  

Even if you don't go to things like who did it, are they still around, Synthesis itself has little context in the game and the discussion here alread encourages an incredible amount of speculation in the main topic.  Your opinion (and that of OP apparently) is that it is perfectly ok and that there are only advantages to Synthesis.  That itself is pure speculation.

Also calling being outraged pointless is just missing the point.  It's a natural human reaction and helps people to cope with it (regardless if the culprit is around to be dealt with).  You think that it's inherently a good thing and completely dismiss the possibility that anyone would not accept Synthesis as a welcome gift.  I think that's ignoring how people percieve their humanity, to many Synthesis would be a gross violation of their very being.  To only focus on the advantages is shallow and narrowminded.

Personally I think being cybernetic as a possibility could be incredibly cool, for myself, I wouldn't force it on all of humanity or all organic/synthetic beings because it would be against the will of many of them and in doing so you risk losing what makes them human (or alien/synethic whatever) in the process and are left with no true human (again alien whatever).

[Clayless]

Reidbynature wrote...

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

It's not what would you do if aliens arrived after, it's what would you do if (OP post).

You could be outraged by it but it's pointless as there's nothing you could do about it. If it did make you smart enough to create something that could also reverse it, then good luck convincing people to give up (being immortal/basically being psychic/other advantages). If it didn't give you any advantages and just make you half organic and synthetic but otherwise exactly the same, then what would you change? It'd be a waste of time and resources.

Again, OP doesn't leave a lot of boundaries.  We can go back and forth on his intent, but he doesn't spell out whether the person who did it is dead (I didn't see you complaining when you added that in your post).  He says what if Synthesis happend today to a pre-space age people like we are.  

Even if you don't go to things like who did it, are they still around, Synthesis itself has little context in the game and the discussion here alread encourages an incredible amount of speculation in the main topic.  Your opinion (and that of OP apparently) is that it is perfectly ok and that there are only advantages to Synthesis.  That itself is pure speculation.

Also calling being outraged pointless is just missing the point.  It's a natural human reaction and helps people to cope with it (regardless if the culprit is around to be dealt with).  You think that it's inherently a good thing and completely dismiss the possibility that anyone would not accept Synthesis as a welcome gift.  I think that's ignoring how people percieve their humanity, to many Synthesis would be a gross violation of their very being.  To only focus on the advantages is shallow and narrowminded.

Personally I think being cybernetic as a possibility could be incredibly cool, for myself, I wouldn't force it on all of humanity or all organic/synthetic beings because it would be against the will of many of them and in doing so you risk losing what makes them human (or alien/synethic whatever) in the process and are left with no true human (again alien whatever).

Who are they complaining to? Who are they outraged at?

"**** I absolutely despise being transhuman, can you believe they did this to me against my will?!"

"What are you going to do about it?"

"There's nothing I can do and that makes me angrier"

"Well stop complaining to me about it, it happened to all of us"

[Reidbynature]

Our_Last_Scene wrote...


Who are they complaining to? Who are they outraged at?

"**** I absolutely despise being transhuman, can you believe they did this to me against my will?!"

"What are you going to do about it?"

"There's nothing I can do and that makes me angrier"

"Well stop complaining to me about it, it happened to all of us"

Oh for god's sake.  How can you still not get it?  How simply do I have to put it?  It's a 'coping mechanism'.  Being outraged doesn't simply mean complaining all the time (there will still be some complaing naturally).  How about I put it like this.  Would you tell someone who has incurable cancer that they shouldn't be devastated or outraged?

Again you may not find anything wrong with what happend, but a great many will.  And to say that they will be outraged isn't to say that is all they will be or ever be.  Some may learn to cope, some may end it all and others may actively seek to change it.  The real point is that it's not acceptible to everyone regardless of a handful of neat little superpowers.

Modifié par Reidbynature, 27 avril 2012 - 01:50 .

[kingscawt]

I'd be immortal, nuff said.

[SetecAstronomy]

I'd deal with it.

[Dragoni89]

How would you even know if your still you? And not some mind controlled AI.

[Zolt51]

VarrenSoldier wrote...

Then sex might become awkward.
Or maybe not.

Hear Hear! That's actually the one post on this thread that makes sense!

[Zolt51]

Dragoni89 wrote...

How would you even know if your still you? And not some mind controlled AI.

You sound so sure of yourself. And how do you know now? Same way I guess.

[Zolt51]

kingscawt wrote...

I'd be immortal, nuff said.

Sorry for multi posting. That is definitely not "nuff said". The correct line is

"I'd be immortal, MUAHHAHAHHAHAHAAAA!:devil:"

There, much better now.

[Kris_Rebel]

Synthesis... It would be perfect. It's more like a dream for me.

[Dragoni89]

Zolt51 wrote...

Dragoni89 wrote...

How would you even know if your still you? And not some mind controlled AI.

You sound so sure of yourself. And how do you know now? Same way I guess.

 The point is, it is not answered. Bioware themselves can not tell heads or tails from that ending. Or are you that stupid.Looks oh ending liker, then I guess you are.

Modifié par Dragoni89, 28 avril 2012 - 10:19 .