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[Mildiner]

First off, I have nothing against consoles; please don't turn this into a console VS PC flame thread.

This is more about a cycle of logic that my brain has been working around to recently:

1) Developer spends time to make a good game that gets released and scores good reviews. 
2) Gamer enthusiasts buy the game based on reviews and said game becomes a "hit"
3) Publisher notes the success of first game and pushes for a sequel
4) Publisher pours money into the sequel in the form of advertising and promotion but share holders expect a quick return on their investment and so development time is cut
5) Sequel is released, goes mainstream due to advertising and, if good enough, escalates the franchise even further cycling back to 3) with even less time and more money on the line for the next version

So it seems to me that becoming a hit and gaining widespread acclaim is about the worst thing that can happen to a game series as has apparently happened to ME much to my dismay. The only way I can see to avoid this happening in future is to go with PC exclusives since most big publishers do not consider them worthy of massive ad compaigns due to the large drop in potential customers.

At the moment the best example of this is the Witcher 2 which has recently updated on Steam for me (a 10GB update which CD Projeckt released FREE) and has apparently turned a brilliant game into a nearly perfect one. Once I have finished my latest run of ME2 I plan to fire it back up and I may never come back to ME again.

PC gamers also have the small, independent developers releasing games on Steam which are the only source of truly original work I see these days. I worry about the console market because it has virtually none of this.

For these reasons I think I will be avoiding console ports from now on, but I hold no ill will toward the console market and will keep my fingers crossed that something comes along to break the cycle for them.

[The Razman]

There is a small problem with your hypothesis.

The Witcher 2 is terrible.

[Il Divo]

If only that were true.

[Mildiner]

The Razman wrote...

There is a small problem with your hypothesis.

The Witcher 2 is terrible.

My hypothesis does not depend upon the Witcher 2 being any good, it was simply an example.

But for the record, I quite liked it and I might like it even more with the 10GB of free additional content I've just be given.

[Il Divo]

Imperium Alpha wrote...

Hermm...

CD Projeckt with The Witcher 3 will probably be multiplatform. After all The Witcher and The Witcher 2 should have been release on both PS3 and xbox 360 but were stop because of financial **** storm. I played The Witcher 2 on xbox recently and instantly bought the pc version.

Going only PC exclusives will make you miss many great game.

Personally, I just want the day when we no longer have to deal with exclusive titles. It will probably never happen. But I can dream.

[Mildiner]

Imperium Alpha wrote...

Hermm...

CD Projeckt with The Witcher 3 will probably be multiplatform. After all The Witcher and The Witcher 2 should have been release on both PS3 and xbox 360 but were stop because of financial **** storm. I played The Witcher 2 on xbox recently and instantly bought the pc version as I don't expect The Witcher 3 to release any time soon.

Going only PC exclusives will make you miss many great game.

I know, and that makes it very tough since there are some great games which have been released multi-platform (just look at ME2).

But my point is that these franchises are doomed to eventual disappointment as the fan base increases, expectation goes up and it becomes all about the money. At least PC only titles are unlikely to go down that road although I'll admit the number of PC only franchises is slowly approaching zero...

[AkiKishi]

Nah this stuffs cyclic, as you near the end of a console generation this always happens. Once the new consoles hit the positions will reverse again.
Your talking about comparing machines which cost £300 to machines which cost £3000 (and need constant upgrading).

PC gaming is a very expensive hobby, and if you want the best then it's even more expensive. While the PC market could support itself , it can no longer do so in AAA titles.

[FRANCESCO84Inn]

Pc have the potential to offer games most big in gb, take SWTOR 30 gb on your hard disk, console put this limit, its difficult to console gamer have games most big, all games for console not exceed 20 gb, but Software House prefere not offer big location, more story element.

p.s

i'm pc gamer.

[Emzamination]

No, xbox is the only way to go, that is all.

[Mildiner]

This is straying into pc vs console territory

[Emzamination]

Imperium Alpha wrote...

Emzamination wrote...
No, xbox is the only way to go, that is all.

Thats just a lie. I would never play Dawn of War, Total War, Sins of Solar Empire or any other RTS/Sim/ on console without a mouse and a keyboard.

The only good way to do it is to have both (if you can).

Hybrid? Interesting

[Mildiner]

It would be like homers unholy melding of dog and cat with the loyalty of a cat and cleanliness of a dog.

[Hellfire257]

I'm inclined to agree. At least space requirements would be less of an issue meaning we could have more/better quality content. Cramming something onto a disc would go out of the window.

[Robhuzz]

I rather dislike the idea of exclusives. I don't like the idea of missing out on a certain game or series just because I do not have the machine whose owners paid the most money to a game developer.

I do however like the idea of making a single platform game (the PC - being by far the most versatile and powerful platform - would be the most logical choice) after which the game can be properly ported to a console version for those either unable or unwilling to buy a decent PC.

Sure it would take a while before the console players could play the game but this way all platforms can get the most out of their games, and PC players don't get saddled up with console graphics and crappy user interfaces and such.

Modifié par Robhuzz, 27 avril 2012 - 01:40 .

[xkg]

Emzamination wrote...

No, xbox is the only way to go, that is all.

You forgot to list all the pros of using xbox over PC - you know, to back up your claim.
Oh yeah, because there are none - apart from the xbox being cheaper - thats all.

[Zcorck]

Il Divo wrote...

Personally, I just want the day when we no longer have to deal with exclusive titles. It will probably never happen. But I can dream.

Same.
Tried Uncharted 2 on a friend's PS3. It was a lot of fun, but kinda sad that only a limited number of people would be able to play it.
I actually like that CDPR spent a lot of time ADAPTING(not porting) the Witcher 2 so it would play to the strenghts and weaknesses of the 360, and squeezing every bit of performance possible out of it instead of something like what's being done with Dark Souls to lock it at 30fps on PC...

[Navasha]

I don't know about exclusives. The ONLY reason Witcher 2 got the extra upgrade is because the developer spent the last year making a console port of the game. If it would have been ONLY PC exclusive... the extra content would not have been made.

I am exclusively a PC gamer. Don't own a console, and have no desire to own one as MOST console titles to me are rather silly, short, and useless. However, this ALMOST caused me to miss a few great titles as well. I never played Mass Effect when it first came out, because I believed it was simply a port of a console game and likely not very good. One day, I picked up ME2 for PC because honestly nothing else was being released anytime soon and I had a free weekend. I ended up liking the story and characters so much that I immediately bought ME1 and played it through. I actually even liked ME1 more.

The point being that being completely exclusive does have limits. This doesn't mean I am ever going to buy a console or care about 95% of their titles, however, it does make me keep an eye open for titles that make headlines.

Mass effect and Assassins creed are two series that I almost never would have played, and would have regretted without cross-platform ports.

Modifié par Navasha, 27 avril 2012 - 01:54 .

[Emzamination]

xkg wrote...

Emzamination wrote...

No, xbox is the only way to go, that is all.

You forgot to list all the pros of using xbox over PC - you know, to back up your claim.
Oh yeah, because there are none - apart from the xbox being cheaper - thats all.

Why spend a whole week typing non stop only to be told "Idc if your amazing facts and logic, pc is still better".I'll spare glorious xbox that rocket.

Modifié par Emzamination, 27 avril 2012 - 01:58 .

[xkg]

Emzamination wrote...

xkg wrote...

Emzamination wrote...

No, xbox is the only way to go, that is all.

You forgot to list all the pros of using xbox over PC - you know, to back up your claim.
Oh yeah, because there are none - apart from the xbox being cheaper - thats all.

Why spend a whole week typing non stop typing only to be told "Idc if your amazing facts and logic, pc is still better".I'll spare glorious xbox that rocket.

Ahhh I see. I've been trolled. I should have known better before replying to you, my mistake. 

[Kris_Rebel]

Lol, PC is only platfrom that has Games, not soapy films made only of ****ty-graphic cutscenes on consoles.

[abaris]

BobSmith101 wrote...

Your talking about comparing machines which cost £300 to machines which cost £3000 (and need constant upgrading).

Please. Inform yourself before posting such nonsense.

In my whole life I haven't forked out the equivalent of 3000 quid for a system. You'd have to be a first class moron to do that. Also that constant upgrading is an urban myth with no base in reality. If you're a freak with money to burn you might go for the newest shiniest piece on a yearly basis, but I'm still quite content with my 2006 machine with a few cheap upgrades over the years.

But as for the discussion. It would be nice if developers wouldn't set the lowest technical denominator as standard. You can always scale down to meet weaker systems, but you can't scale up what isn't on the disk to begin with.

[chengthao]

Kris_Rebel wrote...

Lol, PC is only platfrom that has Games, not soapy films made only of ****ty-graphic cutscenes on consoles.

way to turn this into a console vs PC flame war

PC elitists . . . . . . smh

*note - PC Elitists =/= PC gamer . . . . . . . PC Elitists = angry nerd with no social life complaining b/c his/her "powerful" PC rig is going to waste

[Emzamination]

xkg wrote...

Emzamination wrote...

xkg wrote...

Emzamination wrote...

No, xbox is the only way to go, that is all.

You forgot to list all the pros of using xbox over PC - you know, to back up your claim.
Oh yeah, because there are none - apart from the xbox being cheaper - thats all.

Why spend a whole week typing non stop typing only to be told "Idc if your amazing facts and logic, pc is still better".I'll spare glorious xbox that rocket.

Ahhh I see. I've been trolled. I should have known better before replying to you, my mistake. 

SMH...Thanks for proving my point mr. pc