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[JShepppp]

PC has some pros for sure. The game can do a lot more, has a lot more "buttons" for controls, can be a lot bigger, etc. etc.

But the main issue developers are having is piracy. Crytek (producer of FPS Crysis, which was an exemplar PC game) outright stated publicly that they had to develop console versions in Crysis 2 because of piracy. It's much harder to pirate on consoles, and if things are pirated, it requires a modification to the system that Microsoft/Sony can detect and will automatically ban the console from online once they do. The Crytek CEO imagined that they'd be producing more console games versus PC exclusives because of piracy. The Crysis PC community hated it, but that's the reality of a business.

This is aside from the "expanding the market = more money" idea. The PC market itself is kind of flawed because of the ease with which people can pirate. I wish it wasn't so, but that's how it is.

[lillitheris]

JShepppp wrote...

This is aside from the "expanding the market = more money" idea. The PC market itself is kind of flawed because of the ease with which people can pirate. I wish it wasn't so, but that's how it is.

The problem is precisely that pirating is easier than running a legal version in many cases (c.f. EA Origin). Some people wouldn't pay anyway and there's no cost to the developer involved in making copies, so they don't count (except if they become customers later, or buy DLC or whatever) – only those who would buy the game. A significant portion of those could be persuaded not to.

Essentially, as it always is, DRM only affects the honest, and in some cases even pushes them over.

[AlanC9]

Sure. The counterargument is that even a minimal security system will discourage some thefts. A determined thief could get into my house easily enough, but that doesn't mean I leave the door unlocked.

I haven't seen any good data that would prove which argument has the better of it.

Modifié par AlanC9, 27 avril 2012 - 08:21 .

[Sebbe1337o]

Mildiner wrote...

The Razman wrote...

There is a small problem with your hypothesis.

The Witcher 2 is terrible.

My hypothesis does not depend upon the Witcher 2 being any good, it was simply an example.

But for the record, I quite liked it and I might like it even more with the 10GB of free additional content I've just be given.

The fact that they gave you 10GB FOR FREE is reason enough to like it. I'm gonna try both The Witcher-games soon actually.

[Il Divo]

Zcorck wrote...

element eater wrote...

demon souls and dark souls are console exclusive abd they are much better then most pc games

Pretty sure they are better than most games in general.

This. Dark Souls currently occupies the position of my favorite game. I don't think it's likely to leave that spot any soon.

[Foxhound2121]

Il Divo wrote...

Zcorck wrote...

element eater wrote...

demon souls and dark souls are console exclusive abd they are much better then most pc games

Pretty sure they are better than most games in general.

This. Dark Souls currently occupies the position of my favorite game. I don't think it's likely to leave that spot any soon.

?

That's not a console exclusive as far as I know. PC version has already been confirmed somewhere around this summer.

[Il Divo]

Foxhound2121 wrote...

Il Divo wrote...

Zcorck wrote...

element eater wrote...

demon souls and dark souls are console exclusive abd they are much better then most pc games

Pretty sure they are better than most games in general.

This. Dark Souls currently occupies the position of my favorite game. I don't think it's likely to leave that spot any soon.

?

That's not a console exclusive as far as I know. PC version has already been confirmed somewhere around this summer.

My point was regarding how they're better than most games out there, regardless of console exclusivity. I don't want Dark Souls to be console exclusive. Everyone should be getting their hands on this gem.

[Dude_in_the_Room]

Just my opinion, but it seems most great games start on the PC and end up on console either later or in the sequel.

More time than not, those games are somewhat toned down when they go to console.  Then sometimes those games that go to consoles are actually better in some ways.

[NOD-INFORMER37]

All exclusives, no matter the game, platform, or whatever , are pointless.

[The Razman]

Sebbe1337o wrote...

Mildiner wrote...

The Razman wrote...

There is a small problem with your hypothesis.

The Witcher 2 is terrible.

My hypothesis does not depend upon the Witcher 2 being any good, it was simply an example.

But for the record, I quite liked it and I might like it even more with the 10GB of free additional content I've just be given.

The fact that they gave you 10GB FOR FREE is reason enough to like it. I'm gonna try both The Witcher-games soon actually.

Sorry, but that's a rubbish reason to like something. They gave you a big patch without charging you for it, so that's a reason to like the game?

Witcher 2 is everything that we've been trying to fight against in gaming narratives for years now. It's ... truely, truely awful. And that's before you even get into the combat system.

[AlanC9]

Great games that start on consoles have a regrettable tendency to never come to the PC at all.

[AlanC9]

The Razman wrote...
Witcher 2 is everything that we've been trying to fight against in gaming narratives for years now. It's ... truely, truely awful. And that's before you even get into the combat system.

Which "we" is that, anyway? And what exactly are"we" fighting against in game narratives?

(I haven't played TW2 yet, so I'm not playing defense. Just genuine curiosity)

[digby69]

I've nothing against consoles, they are a platform for playing a game that is all. Some people like to sit close up to a v.high res monitor in their "den" some people like to sit in their front room on a comfy sofa and play their game on a 50" TV. All is fine by me.

What really p!sses me off is the platform exclusivity BS. Now I know some developers may only release on one platform for logistical/finacial reason BUT to only release on one platform just for the sake of "keeping it exclusive" and in my book trying to force me to buy a platform just so I can play a game is WRONG. I now a lot of people who have both a PS3 and xbox because of this.

The final insult is with sony insisting that any PS3 game thats mulit platform has to have exclusive stuff WHY, again this is just to protect the h/w platform and does nothing to improveing gaming.

My finally rant / worry is that even with the next gen consoles (which will have better faster processors etc etc they will still be severly limited due to the limitations of using a TV which is currently stuck at a max res of 1080p (with nothing on the horizon for several years).
This will severly limit the graphics of gaming.

Modifié par digby69, 27 avril 2012 - 09:40 .

[Dreadstruck]

The Razman wrote...
Sorry, but that's a rubbish reason to like something. They gave you a big patch without charging you for it, so that's a reason to like the game?

Witcher 2 is everything that we've been trying to fight against in gaming narratives for years now. It's ... truely, truely awful. And that's before you even get into the combat system.

Funny that you get so hellbent and defensive about your dislike of the Witcher 2 yet when someone else happens to like it, you are quick to call that opinion "rubbish".

You hate the game. We get it. But there' another thread for that, this one actually talks about a hypothetical PC exclusive pros/cons.

And who the hell is we?

Modifié par Avalla'ch, 27 avril 2012 - 09:39 .

[digby69]

The Razman wrote...

ZackG312 wrote...

The Razman wrote...

There is a small problem with your hypothesis.

The Witcher 2 is terrible.

hahaha you are a troll

Lol? Methinks you are the troll.

Seriously, The Witcher 2 is a bad game, and I'm fully willing to explain that opinion if you and the other guy are willing to stop your trolling and explain why you think its a good one. Somehow, I don't think you will though.

Thats your opinion and your entitled to it. My opinion is that you don't know what your talking about. W2 is a fantastic game, one of the best I've ever played.

[AkiKishi]

AlanC9 wrote...

Sure. The counterargument is that even a minimal security system will discourage some thefts. A determined thief could get into my house easily enough, but that doesn't mean I leave the door unlocked.

I haven't seen any good data that would prove which argument has the better of it.

Owning a PC requires a certain level of knowledge that makes piracy a piece of cake. To pirate a console game requires specialised knowledge and certain adjustments.

Frankly unless you are a full time pirate or keep two consoles, it's far more hassle than it's worth.It's also something your average console owner is completely clueless about.

[slimgrin]

When FWH was developing Hard Reset, imagine if they went to EA and said:

"We want to make a brutally difficult old school shooter that isn't a military FPS, doesn't have a regenerating health model, and no cover based gameplay. And we want it to be PC exclusive so as to take advantage of the latest tech"

EA would have told them to take a hike. Most publishers would. PC is hands down the best and most innovative platform and most importantly, the platform with the least restrictions because a dev doesn't have to grab their ankles for Microsoft or Sony. Without PC there would be far fewer indie games.

But the fact is, McDonalds makes a killing selling Big Macs, and as far as I'm concerned the console industry is the fast food division of the market.

Modifié par slimgrin, 27 avril 2012 - 09:49 .

[AkiKishi]

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Modifié par BobSmith101, 27 avril 2012 - 09:45 .

[Dreadstruck]

slimgrin wrote...
"We want to make a brutally difficult old school shooter that isn't a military FPS, doesn't have a regenerating health model, and no cover based gameplay. And we want it to be PC exclusive so as to take advantage of the latest tech"
 

Hah, apart from the old school shooter and non-military FPS, it does sound a lot like ArmA II.

[The Razman]

AlanC9 wrote...

The Razman wrote...
Witcher 2 is everything that we've been trying to fight against in gaming narratives for years now. It's ... truely, truely awful. And that's before you even get into the combat system.

Which "we" is that, anyway? And what exactly are"we" fighting against in game narratives?

(I haven't played TW2 yet, so I'm not playing defense. Just genuine curiosity)

"We" is gamers as a unified community. What we've been fighting against is people treating game narratives like the immature backwater of entertainment art, incapable of carrying anything serious or adult. Witcher and its sequel basically goes about systematically destroying those efforts. And that's just one of the problems with it.

[The Razman]

Avalla'ch wrote...

Funny that you get so hellbent and defensive about your dislike of the Witcher 2 yet when someone else happens to like it, you are quick to call that opinion "rubbish".

No. I'm not calling the opinion of liking the game rubbish. I'm saying the statement "They gave us 10GB for free, that's reason enough to like it" is rubbish. They gave you free stuff, so you should like the game?

And who's "hellbent and defensive" on anything? I made one comment about it being a bad game, and people have been attacking me without explanation since. I really don't care, I've had the discussion about Witcher 2 before with plenty of other people on other forums.

Modifié par The Razman, 27 avril 2012 - 09:57 .

[Dreadstruck]

The Razman wrote...
No. I'm not calling the opinion of liking the game rubbish. I'm saying the statement "They gave us 10GB for free, that's reason enough to like it" is rubbish. They gave you free stuff, so you should like the game?

For me that depends on the nature of the free stuff.

A new +5 hour content, numerous bug fixes and free pre-order DLC surely deserves some points as opposed to "freebies" by one certain game company. IF you can call it like that.

Modifié par Avalla'ch, 27 avril 2012 - 10:01 .

[slimgrin]

Avalla'ch wrote...

slimgrin wrote...
"We want to make a brutally difficult old school shooter that isn't a military FPS, doesn't have a regenerating health model, and no cover based gameplay. And we want it to be PC exclusive so as to take advantage of the latest tech"
 

Hah, apart from the old school shooter and non-military FPS, it does sound a lot like ArmA II.

The devs are also updating the game and adding a huge chunk of new content for free, another impossibility on consoles thanks to Microsoft's bullsh*t policy. This game was given a chance because of the PC platform. I think people forget how much advancement is taken on PC before it arrives on consoles. If you wanna make money, sure, go multiplatform. But for innovation and variety, we need to have PC games.  

Modifié par slimgrin, 27 avril 2012 - 10:04 .

[The Razman]

Avalla'ch wrote...

The Razman wrote...
No. I'm not calling the opinion of liking the game rubbish. I'm saying the statement "They gave us 10GB for free, that's reason enough to like it" is rubbish. They gave you free stuff, so you should like the game?

For me that depends on the nature of the free stuff.

A new +5 hour content, numerous bug fixes and free pre-order DLC surely deserves some points as opposed to "freebies" by one certain game company. IF you can call it like that.

Sure, points for the developer maybe. But I'm not going to like somebody's games if they're not good just because they gave us free stuff, which is what the original comment was suggesting. It being free isn't a reason to like or dislike any game.

[AkiKishi]

Avalla'ch wrote...

The Razman wrote...
No. I'm not calling the opinion of liking the game rubbish. I'm saying the statement "They gave us 10GB for free, that's reason enough to like it" is rubbish. They gave you free stuff, so you should like the game?

For me that depends on the nature of the free stuff.

A new +5 hour content, numerous bug fixes and free pre-order DLC surely deserves some points as opposed to "freebies" by one certain game company. IF you can call it like that.

Raz sees the world through Bioware coloured glasses.