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[SKiLLYWiLLY2]

chengthao wrote...

Kris_Rebel wrote...

Lol, PC is only platfrom that has Games, not soapy films made only of ****ty-graphic cutscenes on consoles.

way to turn this into a console vs PC flame war

PC elitists . . . . . . smh

*note - PC Elitists =/= PC gamer . . . . . . . PC Elitists = angry nerd with no social life complaining b/c his/her "powerful" PC rig is going to waste

Way to place the blame on him rofl. Did you not see Emzamination's post a few posts up? And there are elitists on both sides. Don't throw the "pc elitists" phrase around like they're the sole cause of "console flamewars."

Emzamination wrote...

No, xbox is the only way to go, that is all.

[slimgrin]

CDPR took their time with a proper port for Xbox which is more than I can say for ME2 and ME3 on PC.

Modifié par slimgrin, 27 avril 2012 - 10:22 .

[DaJe]

BobSmith101 wrote...

Nah this stuffs cyclic, as you near the end of a console generation this always happens. Once the new consoles hit the positions will reverse again.
Your talking about comparing machines which cost £300 to machines which cost £3000 (and need constant upgrading).

PC gaming is a very expensive hobby, and if you want the best then it's even more expensive. While the PC market could support itself , it can no longer do so in AAA titles.

No,
hardware that surpasses e.g. ps3 specs costs nearly as  much as a new ps3.
A PC needed constant upgrading in the old days where each sequel would be the dawn of a new technological aera.
Now, since the biggest series are all on consoles there has been no significant jump in many years (since the hd gen started), and no reason to upgrade the PC.

Yes there are enthusiasts that need to play in the higest possible resolution with 300 times anti-aliasing and everything on ultra while recording in fraps for youtube, and playing 5 hd movies at the same time. But that is more about status than quality.

I recently upgraded my system for less than 500€ to be ready for the next generation of multiplatform games, and I wont need to upgrade any time soon again, while the PS4 will probably cost more.

These insane costs are a myth.

I don't mind consoles slowing things down a bit, so you don't have to upgrade all the time. But the cycle of rushed games and no creativity for main stream games the OP talks about worries me.

[Geth_Prime]

Aaaaaaah, why did I click on this thread? I just knew there'd be elitists here! >_<

(OP makes some interesting points, though.)

[The Razman]

BobSmith101 wrote...

Avalla'ch wrote...

The Razman wrote...
No. I'm not calling the opinion of liking the game rubbish. I'm saying the statement "They gave us 10GB for free, that's reason enough to like it" is rubbish. They gave you free stuff, so you should like the game?

For me that depends on the nature of the free stuff.

A new +5 hour content, numerous bug fixes and free pre-order DLC surely deserves some points as opposed to "freebies" by one certain game company. IF you can call it like that.

Raz sees the world through Bioware coloured glasses.

The guy who thinks a PC that's good enough to play games on costs £3,000 is accusing me of having a distorted view of reality ...?

[mmm buddah23]

Mildiner wrote...

First off, I have nothing against consoles; please don't turn this into a console VS PC flame thread.

This is more about a cycle of logic that my brain has been working around to recently:

1) Developer spends time to make a good game that gets released and scores good reviews. 
2) Gamer enthusiasts buy the game based on reviews and said game becomes a "hit"
3) Publisher notes the success of first game and pushes for a sequel
4) Publisher pours money into the sequel in the form of advertising and promotion but share holders expect a quick return on their investment and so development time is cut
5) Sequel is released, goes mainstream due to advertising and, if good enough, escalates the franchise even further cycling back to 3) with even less time and more money on the line for the next version

So it seems to me that becoming a hit and gaining widespread acclaim is about the worst thing that can happen to a game series as has apparently happened to ME much to my dismay. The only way I can see to avoid this happening in future is to go with PC exclusives since most big publishers do not consider them worthy of massive ad compaigns due to the large drop in potential customers.

At the moment the best example of this is the Witcher 2 which has recently updated on Steam for me (a 10GB update which CD Projeckt released FREE) and has apparently turned a brilliant game into a nearly perfect one. Once I have finished my latest run of ME2 I plan to fire it back up and I may never come back to ME again.

PC gamers also have the small, independent developers releasing games on Steam which are the only source of truly original work I see these days. I worry about the console market because it has virtually none of this.

For these reasons I think I will be avoiding console ports from now on, but I hold no ill will toward the console market and will keep my fingers crossed that something comes along to break the cycle for them.

Xbox has small independant developers too, its called xbox live arcade. Mind blowing, I know. And we have Mo-Cap games, nothing against PC, but going just pc, you will miss LOADS of good games.

[julio77777]

I kinda agree in the sense that architecture for a pc game rarely is compatible with a console game, we've seen port from console and they are usually, quite terrible. There are exceptions, but a game designed specifically for pc will often be more pleasant to play.
To get an example related to ME : we have the dreadful "Space key/A button" which is mapped to waaaay too much actions, it is only the case because the architecture was made for consoles.

There is always the difference in hardware performance who begins to show quite a bit too.
But still some game manage to do well.

Whatever the case I usually prefer to wait a few month to have real port on PC, than having a simultaneous release and a console game on PC.

[tbb033]

Akka le Vil wrote...


A very good PC cost less than 1000€ and can last years without any upgrade.

If by "last years" you mean at first plays everything and looks great but then after a couple of years plays most stuff but you have to turn down the settings so it's about the same as playing on a console, then another year or two after that it's hit or miss if it will even run and then you have to turn the settings down so low it's like why bother?

That's without even getting into all the hassles with drivers, gamepad support or lack thereof, just flat out not running on certain configurations with no explaination, etc.

Or you could spend a third the cost to get a console, and have hassle free gaming for 5+ years until the next gen comes along and support for it dies.

Not saying PC sucks, just it's not the best choice for most people./

Modifié par tbb033, 27 avril 2012 - 11:46 .

[slimgrin]

tbb033 wrote...

Akka le Vil wrote...


A very good PC cost less than 1000€ and can last years without any upgrade.

If by "last years" you mean at first plays everything and looks great but then after a couple of years plays most stuff but you have to turn down the settings so it's about the same as playing on a console, then another year or two after that it's hit or miss if it will even run and then you have to turn the settings down so low it's like why bother?

That's without even getting into all the hassles with drivers, gamepad support or lack thereof, just flat out not running on certain configurations with no explaination, etc.

Or you could spend a third the cost to get a console, and have hassle free gaming for 5+ years until the next gen comes along and support for it dies.

No. I think he means build yourself a gaming PC for about 700 USD and you don't have to upgrade for several years. Nor do you have to buy a TV, new peripherals, another console in the event of a red ring, a laptop, and you don't even have to jump around like a monkey in front of Kinect.

For all its 'master race-ness', PC gaming is actually for poor people. 

Modifié par slimgrin, 27 avril 2012 - 11:47 .

[Chromie]

tbb033 wrote...


If by "last years" you mean at first plays everything and looks great but then after a couple of years plays most stuff but you have to turn down the settings so it's about the same as playing on a console, then another year or two after that it's hit or miss if it will even run and then you have to turn the settings down so low it's like why bother?

Oh please I have a Q6600 and a HD 5770 which is ancient hardware and cheap and yet I play Witcher 2 at max at 1920x1200 which is a gorgeous game. I can play Battlefield 3 at max at 60 fps because it's DirectX 11. 

Please stop saying bull****.

[julio77777]

actually a 1000€ PC lasts at least five years running game at ultra/high spec if you buy it piece by piece.
And it does many other things. A console however is much more user friendly. To each his own but don't use price as an excuse please because it's not.

Modifié par julio77777, 27 avril 2012 - 11:49 .

[The Razman]

tbb033 wrote...

Akka le Vil wrote...


A very good PC cost less than 1000€ and can last years without any upgrade.

If by "last years" you mean at first plays everything and looks great but then after a couple of years plays most stuff but you have to turn down the settings so it's about the same as playing on a console, then another year or two after that it's hit or miss if it will even run and then you have to turn the settings down so low it's like why bother?

That's without even getting into all the hassles with drivers, gamepad support or lack thereof, just flat out not running on certain configurations with no explaination, etc.

Or you could spend a third the cost to get a console, and have hassle free gaming for 5+ years until the next gen comes along and support for it dies.

Not saying PC sucks, just it's not the best choice for most people./

Or you sell your graphics card second hand and upgrade it to the next model up. Do that every couple of years and you end up with a system that's only costing you about £100 every couple of years to maintain at a level which blows every console so completely out of the water in terms of graphical power that it's not even funny. I built my PC at the end of 2009 with a GTX 260, and replaced that card 6 months ago with a GTX 560Ti which cost me £140 (with Batman: Arkham City included for free). And that was with me not even selling my old card second hand (never got round to it).

What's more, that GTX 260 wasn't even close to being unusable yet. It still ran most games perfectly acceptably at Ultra High settings ... it couldn't run the latest GPU-intensive releases on them like Skyrim, but I could've easily used it for another year if I chose to.

Not saying that consoles don't have their place, but the cost of maintaining a PC is really not as high as some people think it is.

Modifié par The Razman, 27 avril 2012 - 11:54 .

[Il Divo]

The Razman wrote...

"We" is gamers as a unified community. What we've been fighting against is people treating game narratives like the immature backwater of entertainment art, incapable of carrying anything serious or adult. Witcher and its sequel basically goes about systematically destroying those efforts. And that's just one of the problems with it.

So, not really "we", just you. Since as a unified gaming community, not everyone seems to think the Witcher is immature or incapable of art.

[ZackG312]

Sebbe1337o wrote...

Mildiner wrote...

The Razman wrote...

There is a small problem with your hypothesis.

The Witcher 2 is terrible.

My hypothesis does not depend upon the Witcher 2 being any good, it was simply an example.

But for the record, I quite liked it and I might like it even more with the 10GB of free additional content I've just be given.

The fact that they gave you 10GB FOR FREE is reason enough to like it. I'm gonna try both The Witcher-games soon actually.

buy the witcher 1 great story, and great mood

[The Razman]

Il Divo wrote...

The Razman wrote...

"We" is gamers as a unified community. What we've been fighting against is people treating game narratives like the immature backwater of entertainment art, incapable of carrying anything serious or adult. Witcher and its sequel basically goes about systematically destroying those efforts. And that's just one of the problems with it.

So, not really "we", just you. Since as a unified gaming community, not everyone seems to think the Witcher is immature or incapable of art.

... in the first game you go around collecting bonus nudie pics of every woman you successfully bang.

[ZackG312]

The Razman wrote...

Arsenic Touch wrote...

The Razman wrote...

There is a small problem with your hypothesis.

The Witcher 2 is terrible.

As if people didn't need any more proof that you're a troll. That is just hilarious.

Lol, what? Because I think The Witcher games are bad, I'm a troll?

I guess you like cliche ridden stories

[slimgrin]

The Razman wrote...

If by "last years" you mean at first plays everything and looks great but then after a couple of years plays most stuff but you have to turn down the settings so it's about the same as playing on a console

My low end, three yr old system runs Arkham City and TW2 far better than Xbox. Quit making sh*t up. I have a bloody 80 dollar graphics card. It still b*tch slaps the funbox.

Modifié par slimgrin, 28 avril 2012 - 12:02 .

[Dude_in_the_Room]

Il Divo wrote...

The Razman wrote...

"We" is gamers as a unified community. What we've been fighting against is people treating game narratives like the immature backwater of entertainment art, incapable of carrying anything serious or adult. Witcher and its sequel basically goes about systematically destroying those efforts. And that's just one of the problems with it.

So, not really "we", just you. Since as a unified gaming community, not everyone seems to think the Witcher is immature or incapable of art.

I have to agree.  I think the TW games are immature.  I think having sex in a game is immature.  I don't mind it if it's part of story, but TW2 just blasts it at you for no real reason other than to "OMG, POLYGON BOOBZ!!!!"  I honestly see no reason to show it especially when it's looks like **** b/c of the graphics we have.  It's just another form of anime porn.

I would go into more detail but I have to go watch the Aprentice and then maybe go play poker.

[The Razman]

slimgrin wrote...

The Razman wrote...

If by "last years" you mean at first plays everything and looks great but then after a couple of years plays most stuff but you have to turn down the settings so it's about the same as playing on a console

My low end, three yr old system runs Arkham City and TW2 far better than Xbox. Quit making sh*t up. I have a bloody 80 dollar graphics card. It still b*tch slaps the funbox.

... that wasn't me, dude?

[ZackG312]

BobSmith101 wrote...

Mildiner wrote...
Of course not, such a generalisation would be daft. All I was saying is that, as a franchise, it is very difficult for subsequent games to maintain their quality once they become too hyped and widespread.

My proposal was simply that PC only games are less likely to suffer from this since they don't get hyped as much. While we are on the subject I can't recall too many PC only games that have been advertised on UK television (not including Sky because I don't have it).

That said, you make some very valid points and I thank you for taking the time to respond in such an intelligent way. As with most things, there are no absolutes and, as such, I do not think we can argue in specifics, only very general statements are valid.

Most stores don't even carry PC games anymore. I'm hoping for a D3 advertisement at least.

The reason I quit PC gaming is there were not enough games worth getting. Shelling out 3k for something you only played 2 or 3 games a year on was a completely stupid to me.

I payed $1000 plus $250 for a new GPU with a Batman AC, so $190 plus a $30 rebate. now I play all multiplatform games on my PC and use my PS3 for exclusives. and the deals that PC gamers find on steam is worth it.

[julio77777]

I agree both witcher 1&2 are great games, I admit there are some gameplay flaws, but nothing that hampers your enjoyment.
However it is not for all public, the hero is not overpowered, the consequences of your choices usualy have late game ramifications and there is no good vs evil choices, and the subjects are usually serious and can bore younger audiences.

Sorry this has nothing to do with the topic :/

[Il Divo]

The Razman wrote...

... in the first game you go around collecting bonus nudie pics of every woman you successfully bang.

A concept which was scrapped with the sequel. So what does this have to do with the Witcher 2, which was what your original statement referred to?

Modifié par Il Divo, 28 avril 2012 - 12:07 .

[ZackG312]

The Razman wrote...

Honestly, I bet I could build a PC for £500 which outperforms the current gen consoles. Price for performance is fantastic right now.

That is the truth some people think that you need to spen more $2000 for a gaming PC. Dont know where they came up with that BS.

[slimgrin]

The Razman wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

The Razman wrote...

If by "last years" you mean at first plays everything and looks great but then after a couple of years plays most stuff but you have to turn down the settings so it's about the same as playing on a console

My low end, three yr old system runs Arkham City and TW2 far better than Xbox. Quit making sh*t up. I have a bloody 80 dollar graphics card. It still b*tch slaps the funbox.

... that wasn't me, dude?

No it wasn't. My mistake. Quote mayhem.

Modifié par slimgrin, 28 avril 2012 - 12:12 .

[The Razman]

Il Divo wrote...

The Razman wrote...

... in the first game you go around collecting bonus nudie pics of every woman you successfully bang.

A concept which was scrapped with the sequel. So what does this have to do with the Witcher 2, which was what your original statement referred to?

So the concept of meaningless, gratuitous sex with women which has nothing to do with the narrative is a concept that was scrapped in the sequel, then?