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[stysiaq]

OneWithTheAssassins wrote...
I got your research right here.
Saved you the trouble looking for it.
Fantastic read by the way...
http://parabolee.blogspot.com/

Thanks, didn't know that one before.

[Makrys]

OneWithTheAssassins wrote...

Makrys wrote...

Optimystic_X wrote...

Makrys wrote...

1. Evidence you know nothing about the IT.

2. Evidence you know nothing about polling. Once again. What is more representive of a community than its forums?

1) Which part is wrong? The dream, or the "two endings = indoctrination?"

2) Evidence you know nothing about forums. There is a higher proportion of complainers here because this is the best place to do it.

1. Find out yourself. Do research on your own. Imagine that!

I got your research right here.
Saved you the trouble looking for it.
Fantastic read by the way...
http://parabolee.blogspot.com/

I actually have not read this one yet. Thanks for the nod, will look into it!

Acavyos' YouTube video is the best proof I've seen so far. Very indepth.

[The Protheans]

Its clear the minority of fans like the ending, evidence shows that number is less than 1%
Most of these pro-ending "fans" are trolls looking for a high or something similar.

[Makrys]

OneWithTheAssassins wrote...

Makrys wrote...

Optimystic_X wrote...

Makrys wrote...

1. Evidence you know nothing about the IT.

2. Evidence you know nothing about polling. Once again. What is more representive of a community than its forums?

1) Which part is wrong? The dream, or the "two endings = indoctrination?"

2) Evidence you know nothing about forums. There is a higher proportion of complainers here because this is the best place to do it.

1. Find out yourself. Do research on your own. Imagine that!

I got your research right here.
Saved you the trouble looking for it.
Fantastic read by the way...
http://parabolee.blogspot.com/

I just glanced over it all. It looked amazing. I can't wait to read through it all later today! 

Modifié par Makrys, 30 avril 2012 - 09:06 .

[gearseffect]

I want to point this out IN the ME3 art book there is art work for that weird hallway that leads to TIM and Anderson and the description given is the hallway was created as a giant What IF Moment in the game, What IF everyone died and Shepard fight TIM?

[GroverA125]

It's a valid point. Leaving the unsatisfied community in the dark doesn't help the franchise any more. They can't say for the primary reason that if they do, then people will just walk away now. But not saying anything just makes it look like they don't actually care about us enough to give us a straight answer. The longer they leave it, the more the term "shambolic customer relations" seems to kick in.

They're supposed to be doing this for us, so if they're not saying anything then I have a strong feeling that it's either going to be absolutely abyssmal, or they've not even got off their rumps and started doing anything yet. Both of them fit Biowares current bill.

[nlag]

0% of Damage Control , Damage Synthesis or Damage Destroy.

Even if he answered the question with a simple "yes" or "no" the meaning of the answer would be.

"Yes you will find out if the ending has anything to do with IT or not"

"No the ending wont give you enough info"

Why the hell does he think that "the answer will tell people way too much?"

Modifié par nlag, 30 avril 2012 - 09:12 .

[Makrys]

nlag wrote...

0% of Damage Control , Damage Synthesis or Damage Destroy.

Even if he answered the question with a simple "yes" or "no" the meaning of the answer would be.

"Yes you will find out if the ending has anything to do with IT or not"

"No the ending wont give you enough info"

Why the hell does he think that "the answer will tell people way too much?"

Yeah. That was sort of my point. He simply won't say anything in regards to the ending. We'll just have to wait and see.

[DJBare]

GroverA125 wrote...

It's a valid point. Leaving the unsatisfied community in the dark doesn't help the franchise any more.

Or would you rather them give out major spoilers publicly?, because something like IT would would certainly fall under the category of "Spoiler"

[TookYoCookies]

I think tis mostly a PR move. Last week EA released EURO 2012 for Fifa 12 as DLC, then when people downloaded it 29 out of the 53 national teams were licensed, and 24 were just generic made up players/uniforms, this was not announced prior to release.

Needless to say, people are p*ssed off. Considering a decent amount of people feel as if they got lured into a bait-switch, expecting to have paid for an authentic, updated, complete roster of teams/players for the tournament. Then after receiving the product finding out that was not the case. Announcing this prior would have definitely hurt the sale of the DLC.

With IT and the EC same is true, if BW denies it now a lot of people are gonna be pissed, and then just not bother with any other DLC, that would be bad for EA/business. They gotta keep people on the hook as long as possible, if not they lost potential $$, and thats all their after.

[nlag]

Makrys wrote...

nlag wrote...

0% of Damage Control , Damage Synthesis or Damage Destroy.

Even if he answered the question with a simple "yes" or "no" the meaning of the answer would be.

"Yes you will find out if the ending has anything to do with IT or not"

"No the ending wont give you enough info"

Why the hell does he think that "the answer will tell people way too much?"

Yeah. That was sort of my point. He simply won't say anything in regards to the ending. We'll just have to wait and see.

Yeah ... i just agreed with you, with different words .. we stand on the same page.

Maybe Weekes did not understand the question?... (no offense to anyone.)

Modifié par nlag, 30 avril 2012 - 09:55 .

[rivqa]

I'd love to think that this means they have something fantastic planned (whether IT or something we haven't thought of yet) but I think it's most likely part of an NDA (rather than deliberate PR spin, which I wouldn't expect from him).

[dreman9999]

Optimystic_X wrote...

If IT is true it means that there IS no ending, because none of what we saw as "endings" are then to be taken at face value.

It's an interesting theory but I doubt a "majority of fans" prefer an incomplete game to one that merely needs clarification.

The very fact that they are making EC proves the game has no ending...

[Linksys17]

Just subscribe to the intoxication theory, we all know there's only one way to make sense of the endings. (grabs 3 40s)

[Element Zero]

Wow, I hadn't heard about the FIFA debacle. Chalk up another win for EA. They really know how to stick it to us. :/

[Asharad Hett]

Isichar wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

Gods, can no minute go by without this abomination coming up. Why can't the thrice-damned IT just die...

IT has basically been raised to the status of ME religion, these people are fanatics and cant be reasoned with.

You can't play ME1 for 5 minutes without indoctrination coming up.... it seems to be a CORE game theme.

Modifié par Asharad Hett, 30 avril 2012 - 10:40 .

[MstrJedi Kyle]

I really wish they would give us something. This whole PR don't say anything to anyone about anything is making me crazy.

[OdanUrr]

Makrys wrote...

I don't see how you can clarify a mess. That's what the ending was. The ending would have to be retconned to make any sense, or the IT applied. I see no forseable way to clarify the many plotholes they have unless the plotholes were meant to be there, and be explained at a later date. Implying IT. 

Lack of imagination is proof of nothing.

There are plenty of inconsistencies before the ending as well. IT doesn't explain any of these. Were they meant to be there as well? Was Bioware selective about which inconsistencies were intentional and which weren't? If they were capable of making mistakes before the ending, they were also capable of making them during the ending, especially since it was the last thing they did and, as such, probably the one that was reviewed less thoroughly. Also, unless I'm mistaken, it had to be altered almost at the last minute because of the leaked script.

Most IT advocates initially claimed everything would be revealed a week or two after the release of ME3. If IT were true, it would have made more sense to reveal it during March or April at the latest. Roughly a week from now, it'll be three months since release date. The EC will probably be released between 4 to 5 months from release date. By that time, most players will have likely moved on and won't be downloading the EC even if it is free. It's simply too late a time for any kind of "reveal."

Everything about how Bioware's been handling the situation points to their not having expected this kind of reaction to the ending. I personally don't understand how they could not have foreseen this but that's another matter. The statement from Dr. Muzyka further stated (forgive the redundance) that, because of the fans, a number of game content initiatives were being considered that would clarify and provide closure. At the same time, he stated Bioware stood by the team's vision on ME3. Sure, you could argue this doesn't discount IT, but it does put it in a tough spot.

If IT were true, the ending, as it stands, only took place in Shepard's mind and none of it was real. Therefore, there would be no "plotholes," which was, to begin with, the allure of IT. If there are no "plotholes," what is there to clarify? An argument I've read in the forums is that they're modifying the "IT DLC" to account for fan reaction to the current ending. So, in essence, the explanation would be that Bioware will provide clarity and closure by modifying an already-existing (if only partially) DLC based on fan reaction to an ending that isn't real but that the fans (initially) thought to be real? Why? Surely, an IT DLC would already provide everything the fans have been asking for: boss fight (probably with Harbinger), extended use of your war assets, having closure with your squadmates, etc. Are we expected to believe an IT DLC, already in the works, didn't cover some of these issues? That Bioware was smart enough to plant subtle clues throughout ME3, pull a 180-indoctrination-spin on us, only to plan an underwhelming conclusion in a DLC? If that's the case, aren't we right back were we started? With an underwhelming conclusion to the Mass Effect series?

Before I end this rather long rant, I want to bring up the subject of how IT would change the endings. It would (pun intended). Many people have argued it wouldn't, that content would be added post-ending, but that's not what I mean when I say, "change the endings." IT would effectively dismiss the idea of the Singularity as merely a ploy to indoctrinate Shepard and, while I agree the idea behind Singularity was poorly exposed, it's by no means that irrelevant. Dismissing it would effectively change the endings, whether that's good or bad.

Okay, that's it for now. See ya!

[TOBY FLENDERSON]

Personally I think they'll disprove IT in the EC, they just want to delay the fan backlash for another screw up.

[EricHVela]

If they tell people that IT is not happening, they lose a portion of the people that still have an interest in ME3. Those people betting on IT with their hearts and souls might turn away from ME3 and not even bother with the free DLC. In turn, those betting their hearts and souls on IT might be the first ones to d/l the DLC immediately to find out if they're right or wrong as long as they don't already know. I doubt those people will wait to find out from others what is in the DLC.

From this forum, a good number of people vehemently promote and defend IT. I would bet an outsider would guess those people would be crushed to find it is not true before the DLC. As long as there's hope, there will be free promotion of the game.

If IT doesn't appear in any form from the DLC, EA will have already acquired what they wanted and won't mind losing the die-hard IT promoters.

Modifié par ReggarBlane, 30 avril 2012 - 01:53 .

[Capeo]

The Protheans wrote...

Its clear the minority of fans like the ending, evidence shows that number is less than 1%
Most of these pro-ending "fans" are trolls looking for a high or something similar.

Less than 1%?  It's clear?  LOL.  People on this board are nuts.  You do realize millions of people have played the game and only a tiny, tiny, minute fraction of them ever bother coming here to voice their opinion right?  In non-scientific polls no less?  You have no idea how many people like the ending or not.

[Jonata]

I'm sick of people saying "it's a PR thing! They're doing it for the money!" while the EC is completely free and they already sold millions of copies around the world.

Hell, does Ridley Scott went out and said "Yes, it is true, Deckart IS a cyborg in Blade Runner" after the movie was released? No, he never did it. He did a Director's Cut with few more hints, bet left the fans to wonder... and I farly doubt Scott did it this way to sell BR's DVDs.

The Indoctrination Theory is something very similar.

You can believe it or not believe it without their answers, and they can release the Extended Cut without completely confirm or dismiss it, so that people who believe it can continue to say why it is true and people who want to believe something else can. It's not a "headcanon vs canon" battle, it's just showing some resolution as a fan. You don't need their words, just keep a hold of your beliefs.

Modifié par Jonata, 30 avril 2012 - 02:24 .

[OdanUrr]

Jonata wrote...

Hell, does Ridley Scott went out and said "Yes, it is true, Deckart IS a cyborg in Blade Runner" after the movie was released?

You know, I believe there's a video of him saying Deckart is a cyborg after all. In the video he explains the dream sequence and concludes that Deckart is a cyborg.

EDIT: Okay, this is the video, but on hindsight he's probably just teasing.

Modifié par OdanUrr, 30 avril 2012 - 02:33 .

[Sesshaku]

TOBY FLENDERSON wrote...

Personally I think they'll disprove IT in the EC, they just want to delay the fan backlash for another screw up.

I agree with you. Altough i wish they use IT in their favour....i would take a "non ending" better than a "awfull ending".

OdanUrr wrote...

Jonata wrote...

Hell, does Ridley Scott went out and said "Yes, it is true, Deckart IS a cyborg in Blade Runner" after the movie was released?

You know, I believe there's a video of him saying Deckart is a cyborg after all. In the video he explains the dream sequence and concludes that Deckart is a cyborg.

EDIT: Okay, this is the video, but on hindsight he's probably just teasing.

Lol.

Still, Blade Runner was better done and made it to end that way. Mass Effect started pointing to A, continued pointing to A+ and ended with Z. No one ever so that one coming. And it was full of plotholes and a intense wtf 
im I watching moment.

[Slayer299]

Makrys wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Instructions from their PR department. Keep people guessing.

Possibly. But by using this strategy, knowing the majority of the fans like the IT, if they come out and disprove it, they will have more rage on their hands. Makes sense to dish it now if it ain't true. 

I must be part of the minority then because I cannot stand the idea of IT, that everthing was a lie. Because that is not preferable to the crap we got, both are just as bad.