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[Zuka999]

I'm keeping my mind open to the idea that they're following through with IT so that when they don't I can rage at them harder than ever when the EC falls flat on its face, too.

[SubAstris]

Makrys wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

A couple days ago a fan tweeted this to Patrick Weekes: "Can you answer
if EC DLC will answer the question if indoc theory is true or not?"

His response? "Sorry -- any answer I give here tells people way too much. :)"

I know
whenever we talk about it its always just speculation but... I don't
get it. When he gets a question that is simply asking if the EC will
either conform or deny the IT, HE CAN'T EVEN ACKNOWLEDGE THAT! If the IT
isn't true why doesn't Weekes just say, "Look guys, the IT was a
brillian theory but its just not apart of our plans. Anything further I
can't say". Then bam! He would stop getting annoying tweets from
frustrated fans asking him about it. But no. Bioware continues to dodge
talking about, never denies, and always makes it sound like it could be
true. But if it isn't, JUST SAY SO! What's the point of making us
continue to think it IS true if they then come out and say it isn't with
the EC? A lot of people would be pissed.

Why? Simply because,
I believe the IT is indeed true. In some way, at least. And because of
that, Bioware will neither confirm nor deny its existance. Usually when
you know a secret and someone asks you if the secret is true, you don't
say "Yeah its true!". And you sure as hell wouldn't lie, but you would
instead just politely ignore and keep repeating "I guess you'll just
have to wait and see". Thereby continuing to build the anticipation.

Discuss.


That is the BW party line, don't say anything which could potentially spoil the EC. That doesn't prove or disprove IT. The fact remains that IT theorists are on the whole substantially more happy with the product BW has made than those who aren't; why spoil their fun prematurely and ****** off even more fans? My guesses are that even when EC comes out (and I believe it will show that IT is bunk) that BW won't decisively deny it as it remains an interpretation, albeit one that lacks evidence. If people really don't like the ending, they will make a new one for themselves, and that is what has happened with IT.

Their comments have never made it sound like it is true, in fact I would argue the opposite, that comments from people like Weekes and Gamble assume a face-value explanation of the ending to make any sense.

If you were hiding something, would you purposely hint towards it being true? No. You would hint against it so that when you released it there would be a surpise.

The things I am talking about that speak for the IT, are tweets and just little 'sayings' that suggest it has a chance. Almost accidental by nature. I don't think they would want to give away their secret right now, so they would try to make you think it isnt true, while also not flat out denying it. Its either one or the other. Bioware won't tell us ANYTHING about the ending. Which would suggest that some sort of twist is in order. Otherwise, I see no need to be so secretive about simply fixing your own damn mistakes that were OBVIOUS to everyone. Why feel the need to hide what your doing, if what you're doing is simply fixing things your fans complained about? Maybe because that's not just what they're doing. That they do actually have a surprise. You don't just hide something for the heck of it. They have a reason.

But you assume that they have something to hide. Alternatively, if you take the endings at face value such comments do not invalidate your interpretation, because nothing is being given away. You cannot infer anything from these comments, they are too vague and deliberately so, and so they can't be used as evidence one way or another, however much you or anyone else might want that.

Very few rational people would say that IT doesn't have a chance, just that it is unlikely. I would be interested to see what "sayings" they have provided which lean towards IT

Just because they don't want to talk about the ending doesn't mean there will be a twist. They want speculation, revealing the twist before would annoy a lot of people. The twist ironically could be that there is no twist, things are what they were, we just don't know now. Inferences are futile

[jla0644]

Makrys wrote...

jla0644 wrote...

Makrys wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Instructions from their PR department. Keep people guessing.

Possibly. But by using this strategy, knowing the majority of the fans like the IT, if they come out and disprove it, they will have more rage on their hands. Makes sense to dish it now if it ain't true. 

That can't possbily be true. One would hope.

Well, it is. Polls and data would seem to confirm so. Plus it makes sense, so usually people like things that make sense of something that doesn't make sense. 

Oh... go... what? 

"Polls and data" huh?  lol

I agree the ending is bad, much of it doesn't make sense, but IT doesn't make it better, and doesn't help make sense of it.

[TMA LIVE]

The point of an ending you're suppose to speculate (such as is Deckard a replicate? Or is Dom still in the dream?), is that it's never answer it. To answer it, ruins the reason for it's creation. It's suppose to be either way, and the audience decides for themselves if it's indoctrination or not.

[macrocarl]

The ending will still be interpretive. Actually I don't know that for sure.
I'm just speculating. But if I'm right, the answer will be everyone is right! YEEE HAW!

[Makrys]

jla0644 wrote...

Makrys wrote...

jla0644 wrote...

Makrys wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Instructions from their PR department. Keep people guessing.

Possibly. But by using this strategy, knowing the majority of the fans like the IT, if they come out and disprove it, they will have more rage on their hands. Makes sense to dish it now if it ain't true. 

That can't possbily be true. One would hope.

Well, it is. Polls and data would seem to confirm so. Plus it makes sense, so usually people like things that make sense of something that doesn't make sense. 

Oh... go... what? 

"Polls and data" huh?  lol

I agree the ending is bad, much of it doesn't make sense, but IT doesn't make it better, and doesn't help make sense of it.

How else would you like to gather results from an online community, sweetheart? And maybe you should research it a little more if you don't understand how it could apply. You may not like it, but to suggest that it can't make sense of the ending is just asinine.

[gmboy902]

Not denying something =/= confirming it

[Kasces]

This makes me think of when Bioware was vague about multiplayer.

Edit: Although I'm inclined to agree it's just to not spoil what could possibly be in the EC in any capacity.

Modifié par Kasces, 27 avril 2012 - 09:11 .

[Vox Draco]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Unschuld wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...
You'd see a barrage of rants from me if they confirmed IT, that's for sure.

Why? Because you'd be proven wrong or do you just genuinely have a distaste for the implications of indoctrination being further used as a plot device?

Because it would make the only ending I don't like canonical. I don't want to destroy the Reapers, I don't want to destroy the synthetics, and I don't want to destroy the Citadel and the mass relays. And if they give me an option a transhumanist would like if interpreted a certain way only to tell me "boo, it's a trap" then I'd never forgive them for invalidating my Shepard's personal value system.

Who ever said in IT that only the red ending can be canon? In fact there are interpretations of the theory that also keep the other choices open to continue the game, just with different outcomes. Though the endings don't remain as real facts, so of course this won't change your mind.

But be happy, I support IT but don't think it will turn out for real. But I really hope that the red ending will be adressed in the EC...as the only one where Shepard might still be alive and reunited with her/his LI. Because then it would become the wide-spread inofficial fan-canon-ending anyway...and the other choices will be almost forgotten...

And I am happy that our galaxy doesn't depend on your Shepard and his/her values...but if it suits your needs, feel happy to go all blue and green. It's a free world!

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

The PR department wants to keep up the speculations from everyone initiative.

Because it has been working for them thus far.

[EmEr77]

If we think about this carefully, essentially leaks are what got us into this mess. Well, sort of. I'm not saying that's entirely an excuse for the writing to be as shoddy as it was, but, it was a catalyst (lol) for these events. To be honest the best thing for BioWare to do is to not say anything one way or the other. The worst thing they can do however is not listen to fan feedback.

[shepskisaac]

DJBare wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...
But Shep and Anderson clearly have problems with mind functions, they're struggling to form words and speak. Plus, TIM, this is not gradual indoctrination. TIM is heavily indoctrinating them.
And they can add new stuff or even bend the lore a bit if it's still consistient. Indoctrination's purpouse is control. Not to mention that TIM says "I took what I wanted from them [Reapers] and made it my own" so it is poossible that Cerberus may have further enhanced/modified the technique.

And moments later the catalyst states "Yes, but he could not control us, because we already controlled him", so the logical thought from there is the catalyst/reapers using TIM as a proxy.

Absolutely possible. But it doesn't matter if it's just TIM indoctrinating Shep & Anderson, or TIM + Reapers, or mostly Reapers themselves. The point is that indoctrination is possible because of TIM's implants. Once TIM's dead, indoctrination is finished. Whispers and black veins disappear from screen. While IT assumes that indotrination takes place in the entire ending post-Harby's laser. That's the key difference.

[humes spork]

Throw me into the "conclusive statements at this point would throw gasoline on the brushfire" camp. Last I read (that one tweet from Mike Gamble this or last week) they were still storyboarding and not much is set in stone right now. BW wants to keep its options as open as it can, as long as it can, and positive statements no matter how minor or innocuous closes options especially given the state of the community right now.

[RoamerZA]

To put a damper on IT, Jessica has gone quite big in the Twitterverse in the last 24 hours with the whole "we are adding clarity not changing the ending" angle, and even said they are not retconning.

They could turn Star Kid's speech said into deception, without then having to retcon, but I would be happy to see IT introduced, as it makes the most sense, and is a happy medium between a sensible ending, and BW keeping their maligned "artistic vision".

[xsdob]

Makrys wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Instructions from their PR department. Keep people guessing.

Possibly. But by using this strategy, knowing the majority of the fans like the IT, if they come out and disprove it, they will have more rage on their hands. Makes sense to dish it now if it ain't true. 

But the majority don't like IT, just a few. Most people seem to actually favor a complete rewrite over IT.

[Shaigunjoe]

Yea, I think he is being vague because IT will still be a plausible solution after the EC is released. Nothing really to read to much into it.

[Calibrations Expert]

If Weekes says it it makes you fell good about the ending, if Casey says it you lose all faith in humanity. It's just the way the company works.

[ShepnTali]

IT has become religion.

[StElmo]

ShepnTali wrote...

IT has become religion.

Lol. Well, religion has less proof then IT and that's saying something.

[Zix13]

Makrys wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Instructions from their PR department. Keep people guessing.

Possibly. But by using this strategy, knowing the majority of the fans like the IT, if they come out and disprove it, they will have more rage on their hands. Makes sense to dish it now if it ain't true. 

If they had an ounce of integrity it would. However, this is EA. 

[pottman]

IT is a dead horse already, so stop beating it.

[kalasaurus]

IT is a headcanon that makes disappointed fans happy. Why crush people's happiness?

[pottman]

GlassElephant wrote...

IT is a headcanon that makes disappointed fans happy. Why crush people's happiness?

Because they get annoying, like Anders in DA2.

Modifié par pottman, 28 avril 2012 - 05:47 .

[ShepnTali]

pottman wrote...

IT is a dead horse already, so stop beating it.

Yes, let's talk about something new. Something fresh. 

Say, have you heard about that ending?

[Makrys]

StElmo wrote...

ShepnTali wrote...

IT has become religion.

Lol. Well, religion has less proof then IT and that's saying something.

Please don't bring religion into this. Just stop. Right there.