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[Korubrus]

Makrys wrote...

 A couple days ago a fan tweeted this to Patrick Weekes: "Can you answer if EC DLC will answer the question if indoc theory is true or not?"

His response? "Sorry -- any answer I give here tells people way too much. :)"

I know whenever we talk about it its always just speculation but... I don't get it. When he gets a question that is simply asking if the EC will either conform or deny the IT, HE CAN'T EVEN ACKNOWLEDGE THAT! If the IT isn't true why doesn't Weekes just say, "Look guys, the IT was a brillian theory but its just not apart of our plans. Anything further I can't say". Then bam! He would stop getting annoying tweets from frustrated fans asking him about it. But no. Bioware continues to dodge talking about, never denies, and always makes it sound like it could be true. But if it isn't, JUST SAY SO! What's the point of making us continue to think it IS true if they then come out and say it isn't with the EC? A lot of people would be pissed.

Why? Simply because, I believe the IT is indeed true. In some way, at least. And because of that, Bioware will neither confirm nor deny its existance. Usually when you know a secret and someone asks you if the secret is true, you don't say "Yeah its true!". And you sure as hell wouldn't lie, but you would instead just politely ignore and keep repeating "I guess you'll just have to wait and see". Thereby continuing to build the anticipation.

Discuss.

Clearly he wants to DLC to be a suprise. And asking him every 2 minuits if he can confirm or deny any theory is pointless - Bioware have set a goal to release the new ending with as little spoilers as possible.

Which I really like and respect. I was one of the more vocal people on the ending - to which I detested it.
But Bioware is doing the right thing in keeping their lips sealed about what they are planning, and I would HATE for someone to start leaking information before it's release date. *Evil glare*.

[Nuke1967]

I believe in the "We hit the deadline,we need an ending, slap together something quick and get this game out the door" theory.

[Necrotron]

sAxMoNkI wrote...

That....bodes well I think. Paint me intrigued.

Aye.  Maybe they will use it...but I still paint that chance as slim to none.  But...indeed, what does that mean?

[Doctoglethorpe]

Even if IT isn't true, it may still end up becoming true.  They could of told people to not confirm or deny it in any remote way incase they still decide to take that path.  It wouldn't be entirely unhead of if they did pick it up after not originally intending it. 

Thats probably wishful thinking but ya never know. 

Modifié par Doctor Moustache, 28 avril 2012 - 07:23 .

[humes spork]

Korubrus wrote...

Clearly he wants to DLC to be a suprise. And asking him every 2 minuits if he can confirm or deny any theory is pointless - Bioware have set a goal to release the new ending with as little spoilers as possible.

Which I really like and respect. I was one of the more vocal people on the ending - to which I detested it.
But Bioware is doing the right thing in keeping their lips sealed about what they are planning, and I would HATE for someone to start leaking information before it's release date. *Evil glare*.

Just for giggles and because I appreciate your post as-is, let me translate it for BSN.

Speculation  . Ask every two minutes, if not, brownies this time! They're just hiding that Camac Hudters is doing the ending.

They hate their fans and don't listen. And they're just playing PR tricks to manipulate fans into buying DLC.

Grrgarbl!

[David7204]

Looks like it's still on the table.

Good.

[Zolt51]

The Angry One wrote...

Instructions from their PR department. Keep people guessing.

Instructions for the common sense department.

- If IT is what Bioware has planned in the DLC, that would be spoilers.

- If IT is not what Bioware has planned, there's still no point in denying it. Would only make the IT crowd angry. And the Angry One angrier.

[OH-UP-THIS!]

IsaacShep wrote...

Makrys wrote...

We'll see. We don't know. But to be honest, you make a good point, there are multiple ways the IT can be interpreted and many ways Bioware could decide to implement it. It may in fact be slightly different than what the majority of the fan base came up with, but in the end Shepard was still fightin indoctrination. And Bioware will just have to explain what happens after.

It is clear how Bioware decided to implement it. TIM scene is indoctrination, they've slapped dark veins covering the screen and made it visibly clear you're under control. Nothing like that happens outside TIM scene. Indoctrination is possible thanks to TIM's new implamnts. And no, this is not 'slighty' different to IT. It's completly different because it's actually happening, not just dreams inside Shep's head. Real TIM got killed which ended indoctrination, real Anderson died, Crucible fired. There won't be "you wake up and have to actually go to Citadel and activate Crucible" new ending. Everyhing already happened.

Well then if this is the case, about IT and the still idiotic ending, then Bioware will be kicking a dead horse, by explaining an idiotic EC.

Oh by the goddess there better some merit to this EC or I'm, I'll, grrr!!

[OH-UP-THIS!]

Makrys wrote...

ShepnTali wrote...

Stop bashing ITers. There is some evidence, and Final Hours shows the idea was dabbled with. It's not without some merit. I sometimes wonder if there's jealousy of other users creative thinking.

I agree. With the first part of your post. I wouldn't go as far as to suggest the latter. But it does seem that anti-ITers are very antagonistic towards ITers and it makes you wonder why... most people who hate the IT.. really HATE it. And I'm puzzled because A. It is NOT a fan made idea like they suggest. B. There IS evidence that supports it. I encourage people to check out my thread posted above.

Lacking imagination seems quite fitting for the anti-IT folk.

I've watched through countless threads where some IT hater, was challenged to come up with a better solution, or just discount the theory, 9 times out of 10 they bailed out of the thread, or changed the subject.

[Devil Mingy]

As others have said, they have nothing to gain by confirming this.

If IT is what they have planned, then confirming it would spoil the EC and possibly set up expectations that wouldn't be there if they had kept their mouths shut.

If IT is not what they have planned, it might cause those who are supportive of the IT to lose interest or join in on the line holding goodness.

Either way, there's no real gain for them. Whether they want to keep people in suspense or string them along, keeping quiet is a good tactic.

[OH-UP-THIS!]

Siansonea II wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Instructions from their PR department. Keep people guessing.

Part of their "keep them divided" strategy, no doubt. If IT was suddenly off the table, then the IT people would have no choice but to join the ranks of the "just hated the ending" people. The PR folks know what they're doing. Too bad they're not on our side. But then the only people on our side at BioWare are the people who are powerless to prevent or address the issue we've had problems with.

I'm sorry but I abhor the ending so I'm already part of that crowd, so by keeping the crowd divided they can salvage some of their collective crap?

I'm afraid I'll be moving on to some other indoor pleasure, and using ME discs as coasters.

[Zolt51]

ohupthis wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

Part of their "keep them divided" strategy, no doubt. If IT was suddenly off the table, then the IT people would have no choice but to join the ranks of the "just hated the ending" people. The PR folks know what they're doing. Too bad they're not on our side. But then the only people on our side at BioWare are the people who are powerless to prevent or address the issue we've had problems with.

I'm sorry but I abhor the ending so I'm already part of that crowd, so by keeping the crowd divided they can salvage some of their collective crap?

I'm afraid I'll be moving on to some other indoor pleasure, and using ME discs as coasters.

There's no such thing as keep them divided. They just think it would ****** you off more if they debunked the IT, so they are refraining from doing it. But of course, they're corporate-evil, so they must have some dark motivation for it. Sure.

But by all means, you should go. Don't let me keep you. Have fun with your *indoor pleasures*.  winks.

Modifié par Zolt51, 30 avril 2012 - 03:07 .

[OH-UP-THIS!]

Ieldra2 wrote...

ShepnTali wrote...
Stop bashing ITers. There is some evidence, and Final Hours shows the idea was dabbled with. It's not without some merit. I sometimes wonder if there's jealousy of other users creative thinking.

I'm bashing ITists because they want to turn the choices I prefer (both of them) into a "you lose" button, and I won't stop saying they're hypocrites for depriving me of my choice while saying theirs don't matter. "Destroy is the only option" is an opinion based on ideology, not on what's actually in the game, and implementing anything of the kind would destroy roleplaying for everyone else.

So yes, I WILL continue to bash ITists unless they go back on "Destroy is the only option [where you win]". That's trying to enshrine one choice as canonical.

Apart from that, I'm not totally opposed to the idea that the starchild sequence isn't real, though it makes no sense that the "dream" starts before that.

Density to the 50th power.....the whole idea of destroy isn't the ONLY choice, but TO BREAK THE INDOCTRINATION, then we can all go about picking our own color for the finale, that dreamscenery after harbys' beam, just DOESN'T FIT INTO THE GAME!!!!!!!!
IF you can LOGICALLY explain how that idiotic dream scene fits(between Harby's beam and Marauder Shields) BE my guest, otherwise back-off, its their idea and dammit they can hallucinate all they want.

[OH-UP-THIS!]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Unschuld wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...
You'd see a barrage of rants from me if they confirmed IT, that's for sure.

Why? Because you'd be proven wrong or do you just genuinely have a distaste for the implications of indoctrination being further used as a plot device?

Because it would make the only ending I don't like canonical. I don't want to destroy the Reapers, I don't want to destroy the synthetics, and I don't want to destroy the Citadel and the mass relays. And if they give me an option a transhumanist would like if interpreted a certain way only to tell me "boo, it's a trap" then I'd never forgive them for invalidating my Shepard's personal value system.

Fine then don't, IT doesn't take away the three choices, it merely makes for a mini-boss battle, FOR SHEPS' MIND!!!!
 Once more again, for clarity TO BREAK THE INDOCTRINATION, SHEPARD has to "THINK"  she's destroying the reapers, then we move onto our regularly scheduled conclusion. GAH!!!!!!!!!!!! three colors yippee woohoo,snore.

[dreman9999]

The Angry One wrote...

Instructions from their PR department. Keep people guessing.

Or maybe giving soils for a story you want people to see for themselve is bad.

[frylock23]

Makrys wrote...

 A couple days ago a fan tweeted this to Patrick Weekes: "Can you answer if EC DLC will answer the question if indoc theory is true or not?"

His response? "Sorry -- any answer I give here tells people way too much. :)"

I know whenever we talk about it its always just speculation but... I don't get it. When he gets a question that is simply asking if the EC will either conform or deny the IT, HE CAN'T EVEN ACKNOWLEDGE THAT! If the IT isn't true why doesn't Weekes just say, "Look guys, the IT was a brillian theory but its just not apart of our plans. Anything further I can't say". Then bam! He would stop getting annoying tweets from frustrated fans asking him about it. But no. Bioware continues to dodge talking about, never denies, and always makes it sound like it could be true. But if it isn't, JUST SAY SO! What's the point of making us continue to think it IS true if they then come out and say it isn't with the EC? A lot of people would be pissed.

Why? Simply because, I believe the IT is indeed true. In some way, at least. And because of that, Bioware will neither confirm nor deny its existance. Usually when you know a secret and someone asks you if the secret is true, you don't say "Yeah its true!". And you sure as hell wouldn't lie, but you would instead just politely ignore and keep repeating "I guess you'll just have to wait and see". Thereby continuing to build the anticipation.

Discuss.

The endings are so bad as they stand that BioWare needs to keep every possibility on the table in order to try to make some sense of them. If he rules something out, it limits what they can try to pull out of the hat.

I really doubt they want to use IT theory either in whole or in parts, but if it's the only way to stitch this mess together, that's what they may have to do, so they can't rule it out. But that's just my own personal two cents.

[Eterna]

Zolt51 wrote...

OMG, Holy Zombie Jeezus! The IT has just been proven true! Hail the Lord Shields!

It has?

geez, lots of straw grasping here. 

[Varus Praetor]

If he says "yes it's true" it pisses off a group of fans. If he says "no, it's not true" it pisses off a group of fans. BW has plenty of people pissed at them right now. Better to say nothing until they have the definitive extended "shiny turd" edition to point to. There's going to be another wave of complaints once that's released anyway, they might as well get them all over at the same time.

[dreman9999]

frylock23 wrote...

Makrys wrote...

 A couple days ago a fan tweeted this to Patrick Weekes: "Can you answer if EC DLC will answer the question if indoc theory is true or not?"

His response? "Sorry -- any answer I give here tells people way too much. :)"

I know whenever we talk about it its always just speculation but... I don't get it. When he gets a question that is simply asking if the EC will either conform or deny the IT, HE CAN'T EVEN ACKNOWLEDGE THAT! If the IT isn't true why doesn't Weekes just say, "Look guys, the IT was a brillian theory but its just not apart of our plans. Anything further I can't say". Then bam! He would stop getting annoying tweets from frustrated fans asking him about it. But no. Bioware continues to dodge talking about, never denies, and always makes it sound like it could be true. But if it isn't, JUST SAY SO! What's the point of making us continue to think it IS true if they then come out and say it isn't with the EC? A lot of people would be pissed.

Why? Simply because, I believe the IT is indeed true. In some way, at least. And because of that, Bioware will neither confirm nor deny its existance. Usually when you know a secret and someone asks you if the secret is true, you don't say "Yeah its true!". And you sure as hell wouldn't lie, but you would instead just politely ignore and keep repeating "I guess you'll just have to wait and see". Thereby continuing to build the anticipation.

Discuss.

The endings are so bad as they stand that BioWare needs to keep every possibility on the table in order to try to make some sense of them. If he rules something out, it limits what they can try to pull out of the hat.

I really doubt they want to use IT theory either in whole or in parts, but if it's the only way to stitch this mess together, that's what they may have to do, so they can't rule it out. But that's just my own personal two cents.

Umm.....It you read the last minute doc...You would know they planned to have Shepard's indoctrination be shown via gameplay element.

[dreman9999]

Varus Praetor wrote...

If he says "yes it's true" it pisses off a group of fans. If he says "no, it's not true" it pisses off a group of fans. BW has plenty of people pissed at them right now. Better to say nothing until they have the definitive extended "shiny turd" edition to point to. There's going to be another wave of complaints once that's released anyway, they might as well get them all over at the same time.

Why would comfurming IT ****** anyone off?

[OH-UP-THIS!]

Varus Praetor wrote...

If he says "yes it's true" it pisses off a group of fans. If he says "no, it's not true" it pisses off a group of fans. BW has plenty of people pissed at them right now. Better to say nothing until they have the definitive extended "shiny turd" edition to point to. There's going to be another wave of complaints once that's released anyway, they might as well get them all over at the same time.

Truer words have not been spoken TY.

[OH-UP-THIS!]

dreman9999 wrote...

Varus Praetor wrote...

If he says "yes it's true" it pisses off a group of fans. If he says "no, it's not true" it pisses off a group of fans. BW has plenty of people pissed at them right now. Better to say nothing until they have the definitive extended "shiny turd" edition to point to. There's going to be another wave of complaints once that's released anyway, they might as well get them all over at the same time.

Why would comfurming IT ****** anyone off?

Some people around here figure, IT makes it only possible for DESTROY, which is a big BIG LOAD of horse s**t.

[Varus Praetor]

dreman9999 wrote...

Varus Praetor wrote...

If he says "yes it's true" it pisses off a group of fans. If he says "no, it's not true" it pisses off a group of fans. BW has plenty of people pissed at them right now. Better to say nothing until they have the definitive extended "shiny turd" edition to point to. There's going to be another wave of complaints once that's released anyway, they might as well get them all over at the same time.

Why would comfurming IT ****** anyone off?

Lots of people despise IT.  I've not seen any numbers or anything, but I'd be surprised if the IT supporters were a majority.

[Dawson14]

Because, if they confirm either way there won't be " LOT'S OF SPECULATION FOR EVERYONE!!!!"

[T1l]

"Yes. But not really. Did I say that? Who? What? I don't know. Maybe. Yeah, sure, but no. It's up to interpretation."

- Bioware PR.

Don't you guys get sick of this ****?