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[JzWigz]

I know that this is a pretty small problem compared to the massive ones (space magic, ect) but I was playing through ME2 again recently and during a conversation with Legion he mentioned that the Reapers were a combination of organics and synthetics.

So basically the synthesis ending is turning everything in to Reapers? Great...

Modifié par JzWigz, 27 avril 2012 - 06:37 .

[Unit-Alpha]

Yeah, people who do synthesis are going along with Saren and the reapers.

[DTKT]

Bioware can do whatever they want with the Synthesis ending.

They can say that the Galaxy ascended into a new state where organics and synthetics were one. In equal parts. They are not "Reapers" just different from what they were before.

It's still a stupid ending. But it's stupid on it's own.

[The Angry One]

Early script notes say that synthesis is "becoming one with the Reapers".
Their intentions are clear, if they try to backpeddle then it'll just be more dishonesty.

[2484Stryker]

Choice 1: assume (stupidly) that Catalyst is telling the truth about being able to control Reapers even though he is the creator of the Reapers and thus Shepard should know that he is adept at indoctrination.

Choice 2: again stupidly assume that Catalyst is telling the truth and then unilaterally change the fundamentals of all life in the galaxy by turning them into mini-Reapers/Husks. Also, Occam's razor - the simplest explanation is that they really get turned into Husks and not the myriad of other assumptions that would explain how they're different from Husks.

Choice 3: again stupidly assuming the Catalyst is telling the truth and then proceed to commit genocide.

Pathetically broken ending achieved! Yay! Thanks, BioWare!!!

[Rhazeal]

The Angry One wrote...

Early script notes say that synthesis is "becoming one with the Reapers".
Their intentions are clear, if they try to backpeddle then it'll just be more dishonesty.

It's fascinating how they are willing to retcon everything they said and published about the ending in order to cast the situation in a better light but are unwilling to retcon the horrible ending itself.

[DTKT]

Rhazeal wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Early script notes say that synthesis is "becoming one with the Reapers".
Their intentions are clear, if they try to backpeddle then it'll just be more dishonesty.

It's fascinating how they are willing to retcon everything they said and published about the ending in order to cast the situation in a better light but are unwilling to retcon the horrible ending itself.

That would take too much work and money.

[paxbanana3915]

The Angry One wrote...

Early script notes say that synthesis is "becoming one with the Reapers".
Their intentions are clear, if they try to backpeddle then it'll just be more dishonesty.

Huh. If that's true, why didn't they just stick with the Dark Energy plot?

[Rhazeal]

DTKT wrote...

Rhazeal wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Early script notes say that synthesis is "becoming one with the Reapers".
Their intentions are clear, if they try to backpeddle then it'll just be more dishonesty.

It's fascinating how they are willing to retcon everything they said and published about the ending in order to cast the situation in a better light but are unwilling to retcon the horrible ending itself.

That would take too much work and money.

Indeed. It's unfortunate that superconglomerate companies embrace the paradigm that attracting new customers is more cost effective than retaining old ones.

[Peranor]

I hate synthesis too. But do we have to create 86 different threads about?

[Rhazeal]

anorling wrote...


I hate synthesis too. But do we have to create 86 different threads about?

Magic 8 ball says: probably yes.



But seriously Synthesis is that bad. We could have another 86.

[delphonic]

This guy chose the Synthesis ending and you should, too! It's never too late to give in and surrender.

[MEMANIAsama]

Synthesis doesn't necessarily bother me. Just because you're LIKE the Reapers doesn't mean you're going to do the same thing AS the Reapers. It's a force co-existence, which I dislike, but its a means to an end. There will still be distinct races and cultures, etc. just the genetic material is different (which, ultimately, isn't going to bring intergalactic peace, but at least it seems to solve whatever concerns the catalyst has with synthetic vs. organic.)

[YNation913]

JzWigz wrote...

I know that this is a pretty small problem compared to the massive ones (space magic, ect) but I was playing through ME2 again recently and during a conversation with Legion he mentioned that the Reapers were a combination of organics and synthetics.

So basically the synthesis ending is turning everything in to Reapers? Great...

You know who else is a combination of organic and synthetic? Shepard. Also Robocop. This isn't the problem with synthesis.

[Legion is Skynet]

MEMANIAsama wrote...

Synthesis doesn't necessarily bother me. Just because you're LIKE the Reapers doesn't mean you're going to do the same thing AS the Reapers. It's a force co-existence, which I dislike, but its a means to an end. There will still be distinct races and cultures, etc. just the genetic material is different (which, ultimately, isn't going to bring intergalactic peace, but at least it seems to solve whatever concerns the catalyst has with synthetic vs. organic.)

It's not a means to an end for me. We're dealing with creatures who have a body count in the trillions by the time the first game STARTS. After that they are responsible for butchering billions more by the time we reach the climax in ME3.

Synthesis means peace with the Reapers, and I reject that concept completely. Beyond all of the other frankly absurd conotations that Synthesis carries with it, the one that I find the most offensive is that the Reapers get to leave in peace. They've slaughtered planets. They've eliminated entire galactic civilizations. They don't get to walk away from that. 

Anyone willing to even consider peace with such a species will absolutely deserve to get wiped out when the Reapers decide they want to start the cycle again. And Synthesis gives us precisely zero good reasons why they wouldn't make that decision, given enough time. 

[Bad King]

Synthesis is different in that it removes the binary division between organic and synthetic. They become one. The reapers meanwhile are made up of both organic and synthetic parts which makes them fundamentally different to a synthesised being.

[MEMANIAsama]

Legion is Skynet wrote...

Synthesis means peace with the Reapers, and I reject that concept completely. Beyond all of the other frankly absurd conotations that Synthesis carries with it, the one that I find the most offensive is that the Reapers get to leave in peace. They've slaughtered planets. They've eliminated entire galactic civilizations. They don't get to walk away from that.

Hey, yeah, they've committed mass genocide. But the real culprit here would be the Catalyst, wouldn't it? Whatever that is... a crazy space AI star baby or whatever. The Reapers are just following orders, but it's hard to tell if they have any ACTUAL free will or not? I mean, I assume they DO or are they just being controlled by the Catalyst like Shepard would be controlling them with the Control ending?

[shnellegaming]

Yeah that was a big poing from ME2.  "Reapers are sapient constructs a combination of organic and inorganic material." per Edi.  When I found out about the synthesis ending that was the first thing I thought and was like, "FACE PALM"

You also have to realize synthesis doesn't change the 'cycle' cause the galaxy will still create organic life and people will still create synthetic life.  So nothing will have been fixed,  The reapers will still be around so they will begin again.

[The Angry One]

The most sinister part about synthesis, aside from the galactic violation is that basically, all life in the galaxy has been converted to a form that the Reapers.... tolerate.

You haven't stopped the Reapers. You haven't taught them a lesson. You have changed life to be something they accept. That they are comfortable with.
I can't get over how utterly amoral and racist this is.

[M Hedonist]

delphonic wrote...



This guy chose the Synthesis ending and you should, too! It's never too late to give in and surrender.

It's a good thing Bioware posthumously acknowledged him as the true hero of the trilogy.
Best ending is dying to him at the end of the first ME.

Modifié par Sauruz, 27 avril 2012 - 09:04 .

[lx_theo]

I love how intolerant of other opinions these forums are. Have fun with that, people.

[The Angry One]

lx_theo wrote...

I love how intolerant of other opinions these forums are. Have fun with that, people.

Synthesis is the embodiment of intolerance. Have fun with that.

[lx_theo]

The Angry One wrote...

lx_theo wrote...

I love how intolerant of other opinions these forums are. Have fun with that, people.

Synthesis is the embodiment of intolerance. Have fun with that.

No its not. Sorry you have such problems understanding that there are different opinions out there.

Defintion of Intolerance...

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in·tol·er·ance   [in-tol-er-uhns] 
noun1.lack of toleration; unwillingness or refusal to tolerate or respect contrary opinions or beliefs, persons of 
differentraces or backgrounds, etc.
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Wierd how reality kicks in?

Modifié par lx_theo, 27 avril 2012 - 09:12 .

[Bad King]

Synthesis is the ultimate upgrade to all life in the galaxy. Those who refuse to acknowledge this are primitives!

[NOD-INFORMER37]

delphonic wrote...

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This guy chose the Synthesis ending and you should, too! It's never too late to give in and surrender.

Modifié par NOD-INFORMER37, 27 avril 2012 - 09:16 .