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[DJBare]

MEMANIAsama wrote...

Synthesis doesn't necessarily bother me. Just because you're LIKE the Reapers doesn't mean you're going to do the same thing AS the Reapers.

I wonder if the Nazari thought the same thing when they first became reapers?

[M Hedonist]

Everybody who killed Saren is intolerant now.

[DJBare]

Sauruz wrote...

Everybody who killed Saren is intolerant now.

My paragon always spares Saren, it's so much better to watch him put a gun to his own head.

[lx_theo]

Sauruz wrote...

Everybody who killed Saren is intolerant now.

Incapable of accepting or understanding other's opinions?

Yep, that's intolerant.

Sorry about that. Nothing I can do.

Modifié par lx_theo, 27 avril 2012 - 09:20 .

[nuculerman]

This isn't another problem. This is one of the original problems every ant-synthesis-er brings up. 90% of the problems with synthesis rest on assumptions made in a vacuum. Like this one. The other 10% of the problems are very real.

The ending sucks. All three choices suck. /thread.

[The Angry One]

lx_theo wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

lx_theo wrote...

I love how intolerant of other opinions these forums are. Have fun with that, people.

Synthesis is the embodiment of intolerance. Have fun with that.

No its not. Sorry you have such problems understanding that there are different opinions out there.

Defintion of Intolerance...

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in·tol·er·ance   [in-tol-er-uhns] 
noun1.lack of toleration; unwillingness or refusal to tolerate or respect contrary opinions or beliefs, persons of 
differentraces or backgrounds, etc.
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Wierd how reality kicks in?

Synthesis. The solution to the "problem" of organics vs. synthetics.
Organics vs. synthetics will never get along according to the Catalyst - the Catalyst's unwillingless or refusal to tolerate or respect that organics and synthetics have differences.

Get it now?

[M Hedonist]

lx_theo wrote...

Sauruz wrote...

Everybody who killed Saren is intolerant now.

Incapable of accepting or understanding other's opinions?

Yep, that's intolerant.

Sorry about that. Nothing I can do.

Yes. Finally somebody gets what I'm saying. Everybody who played the alleged 'hero' called Shepard in the first ME game and didn't surrender to Saren in the end was just incapable of accepting Saren's opinion. Finally Bioware posthumously acknowledged Saren as the true hero, the embodiment of what ME has really always been about.
If we all had only listened sooner, we wouldn't have been so disappointed in the end...

[Mr.House]

ME:Shepard:I rather die then live like that. *exact quote told to Saren*
ME3: Shepard: Ok I'll jump into the beam.

[lx_theo]

The Angry One wrote...

lx_theo wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

lx_theo wrote...

I love how intolerant of other opinions these forums are. Have fun with that, people.

Synthesis is the embodiment of intolerance. Have fun with that.

No its not. Sorry you have such problems understanding that there are different opinions out there.

Defintion of Intolerance...

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in·tol·er·ance   [in-tol-er-uhns] 
noun1.lack of toleration; unwillingness or refusal to tolerate or respect contrary opinions or beliefs, persons of 
differentraces or backgrounds, etc.
-------------------------


Wierd how reality kicks in?

Synthesis. The solution to the "problem" of organics vs. synthetics.
Organics vs. synthetics will never get along according to the Catalyst - the Catalyst's unwillingless or refusal to tolerate or respect that organics and synthetics have differences.

Get it now?

Lol, good one.

The Catalyst wants synthesis because it allows the problem of technological singularity combined with the inevitability of war (and peace) to be broken. His only solution before was the Reapers.

So yeah, get it now?

[lx_theo]

Sauruz wrote...

lx_theo wrote...

Sauruz wrote...

Everybody who killed Saren is intolerant now.

Incapable of accepting or understanding other's opinions?

Yep, that's intolerant.

Sorry about that. Nothing I can do.

Yes. Finally somebody gets what I'm saying. Everybody who played the alleged 'hero' called Shepard in the first ME game and didn't surrender to Saren in the end was just incapable of accepting Saren's opinion. Finally Bioware posthumously acknowledged Saren as the true hero, the embodiment of what ME has really always been about.
If we all had only listened sooner, we wouldn't have been so disappointed in the end...

Cute.

Weird thing is I understood where his opinion was coming from. Doesn't mean I wasn't going to kill him when he attacked people.

[The Angry One]

lx_theo wrote...

Lol, good one.

The Catalyst wants synthesis because it allows the problem of technological singularity combined with the inevitability of war (and peace) to be broken. His only solution before was the Reapers.

So yeah, get it now?

A problem that it made up in it's head. It believes in the inevitability of war due to it's intolerance and racism.
It's previous solution was genocide. Nice job defending this maniac.

Also....



Almost word for word.

[Vox Draco]

Legion is Skynet wrote...

MEMANIAsama wrote...

Synthesis doesn't necessarily bother me. Just because you're LIKE the Reapers doesn't mean you're going to do the same thing AS the Reapers. It's a force co-existence, which I dislike, but its a means to an end. There will still be distinct races and cultures, etc. just the genetic material is different (which, ultimately, isn't going to bring intergalactic peace, but at least it seems to solve whatever concerns the catalyst has with synthetic vs. organic.)

It's not a means to an end for me. We're dealing with creatures who have a body count in the trillions by the time the first game STARTS. After that they are responsible for butchering billions more by the time we reach the climax in ME3.

Synthesis means peace with the Reapers, and I reject that concept completely. Beyond all of the other frankly absurd conotations that Synthesis carries with it, the one that I find the most offensive is that the Reapers get to leave in peace. They've slaughtered planets. They've eliminated entire galactic civilizations. They don't get to walk away from that. 

Anyone willing to even consider peace with such a species will absolutely deserve to get wiped out when the Reapers decide they want to start the cycle again. And Synthesis gives us precisely zero good reasons why they wouldn't make that decision, given enough time. 

You nkow what is funny? When Shepard ask "will there be peace" concerning the Synthesis...all the kid says is "the cycle will end"

Avoiding something there, Mr. Catalyst? It is so sad Shepard is not allowed by Bioware to dig deeper into the choices and what they might REALLY mean...

[lx_theo]

The Angry One wrote...

lx_theo wrote...

Lol, good one.

The Catalyst wants synthesis because it allows the problem of technological singularity combined with the inevitability of war (and peace) to be broken. His only solution before was the Reapers.

So yeah, get it now?

A problem that it made up in it's head. It believes in the inevitability of war due to it's intolerance and racism.
It's previous solution was genocide. Nice job defending this maniac.

Also....



Almost word for word.

Oh, of course, peace is eternal. I forgot that stupid people can think that. I don't agree with its previous method either. But it makes sense for a being like itself to see individual life as meaningless enough that perserving the species through harvesting being a better option than before.

And putting evolution in a statement does;'t make them the same. The Catalyst obviously meant that Synthesis creates a type of life better than organic or synthetic

Silly me and my different opinions. Shame on me for not conforming.

Modifié par lx_theo, 27 avril 2012 - 09:36 .

[Bad King]

The Angry One wrote...

lx_theo wrote...

Lol, good one.

The Catalyst wants synthesis because it allows the problem of technological singularity combined with the inevitability of war (and peace) to be broken. His only solution before was the Reapers.

So yeah, get it now?

A problem that it made up in it's head. It believes in the inevitability of war due to it's intolerance and racism.
It's previous solution was genocide. Nice job defending this maniac.

Also....



Almost word for word.

Omg they both said evolution of life! Richard Dawkins is indoctrinated!

[Mr.House]

No, Starbrat clearly thinks there is a final stage to life and merge is that. That's plain stupid but hey, let your Shepard become a hypocrite at the end, it's your choice after all.

Modifié par Mr.House, 27 avril 2012 - 09:37 .

[The Angry One]

lx_theo wrote...

Oh, of course, peace is eternal. I forgot that stupid people can think that. I don't agree with its previous method either. But it makes sense for a being like itself to see individual life as meaningless enough that perserving the species through harvesting being a better option than before.

And putting evolution in a statement does;'t make them the same. The Catalyst obviously meant that Synthesis creates a type of life better than organic or synthesis.

Silly me and my different opinions. Shame on me for not conforming.

How does synthesis guarantee peace then? It doesn't. The Catalyst assumes it does, because it is racist. It thinks all the problems in the universe stems from organics and synthetics being different.

[The Angry One]

Bad King wrote...

Omg they both said evolution of life! Richard Dawkins is indoctrinated!

Let's forget the context in which both sentences were said, shall we?

[Bad King]

Mr.House wrote...

No, Starbrat clearly things there is a final stage to life and merge is that. That's plain stupid but hey, let your Shepard become a hypocrite at the end, it's your choice after all.

My Shepard is a massive hypocrite anyway so no problems there.

"Stealing from the dead. That's pretty low."

The amount of dead bodies I've salvaged items from since then is staggering.

[Mr.House]

Bad King wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

No, Starbrat clearly things there is a final stage to life and merge is that. That's plain stupid but hey, let your Shepard become a hypocrite at the end, it's your choice after all.

My Shepard is a massive hypocrite anyway so no problems there.

"Stealing from the dead. That's pretty low."

The amount of dead bodies I've salvaged items from since then is staggering.

Good to know you think looting is the same as decidnign the fate of the universe.

[nuculerman]

Vox Draco wrote...

You nkow what is funny? When Shepard ask "will there be peace" concerning the Synthesis...all the kid says is "the cycle will end"

Avoiding something there, Mr. Catalyst? It is so sad Shepard is not allowed by Bioware to dig deeper into the choices and what they might REALLY mean...

Because there won't be.  Which is your queue synthesis isn't the euthanization all anti-synthesis-ers claim it is.  Races retain their unique culture.  Individuals retain their free will.  Krogans still hate Salarians, and Batarians still hate Humans.  Life continues exactly as it would have, except there's no need to create AI's because the pinnacle of evolution has already been reached.  No AI's means no end to all organic life.

Given Bioware's responses, this is clearly the intention of the synthesis ending.  It was terribly explained, and anyone who didn't pick it is totally justified, but the assumptions about what it means, how everyone will be Reapers now, etc are clearly totally wrong.  It's Bioware's IP, and their intention, hind sight being 20/20, is pretty clear at this point.

Once again.  The ending was handled terribly.  It wasn't clear what you were signing up for in any of the choices.  Bioware dropped the ball.  /thread.

[Bad King]

The Angry One wrote...

Bad King wrote...

Omg they both said evolution of life! Richard Dawkins is indoctrinated!

Let's forget the context in which both sentences were said, shall we?

Saren uses the word organic. Starbrat doesn't. Saren (being indoctrinated) wants to maintain the boundary between organic and synthetic: he essentially wants a bunch of organics with reaper implants. Starbrat meanwhile gets rid of this boundary meaning that there are no longer organics or synthetics and what we get is a new genetic code.

Still think that Saren supports synthesis?

[lx_theo]

The Angry One wrote...

lx_theo wrote...

Oh, of course, peace is eternal. I forgot that stupid people can think that. I don't agree with its previous method either. But it makes sense for a being like itself to see individual life as meaningless enough that perserving the species through harvesting being a better option than before.

And putting evolution in a statement does;'t make them the same. The Catalyst obviously meant that Synthesis creates a type of life better than organic or synthesis.

Silly me and my different opinions. Shame on me for not conforming.

How does synthesis guarantee peace then? It doesn't. The Catalyst assumes it does, because it is racist. It thinks all the problems in the universe stems from organics and synthetics being different.

It doesn't. When you ask the Catalyst if there will be peace, he avoids the question and says the cycle will end. He obviously know it won't assure peace, or that everyone will accept the new fate. What he does know is that it eliminates the need for the cycle because it eliminates the issue of the technological singularity (which is a very real problem)

[Bad King]

Mr.House wrote...

Bad King wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

No, Starbrat clearly things there is a final stage to life and merge is that. That's plain stupid but hey, let your Shepard become a hypocrite at the end, it's your choice after all.

My Shepard is a massive hypocrite anyway so no problems there.

"Stealing from the dead. That's pretty low."

The amount of dead bodies I've salvaged items from since then is staggering.

Good to know you think looting is the same as decidnign the fate of the universe.

Of course. Looting a body actually has a consequence.

[Linkenski]

The synthesis part is the ending that was really the ending to start screaming "INDOCTRINATION" IMO because of what saren says about combining synthetics and organics in the virmire mission, in which HE IS INDOCTRINATED!!!

I'm pretty sure the EC won't be a fleshed out take all about indoctrination, but i hope that we'll get hints, that you are in fact manipulated, after the synthesis choice.

[lx_theo]

The Angry One wrote...

Bad King wrote...

Omg they both said evolution of life! Richard Dawkins is indoctrinated!

Let's forget the context in which both sentences were said, shall we?

Yes, you did forget.

Saren referred to getting implants that allowed the Reapers to control him.

Synthesis creates one type of life rather than organic and synthetic.

Context, people. The Angry One agrees.