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#101
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No there is not. Evolution is a reactionary process. Adaptation to enviroment. There is no "plan" and no "end" or "pinnacle".


The logical conclusion of evolution is the end of evolution.  If you don't understand this, you don't understand the science of evolution, or the mathematics that describe it (game theory).

You can assume all you like, the implications are there all the same.


Implications based off your assumption of what synthesis is.  I at least admit I'm making assumptions.  Please stop spouting your opinions based of your less probable assumptions as facts.

I refuse. I will use logic, as I've always used in Mass Effect. It's held up before, with suitable versimilitude.


You clearly need a class in formal logic.  Your conclsusions rest on assumptions, the truth of which we may never know.  My assumptions are at least more likely, considering they rest on the axiom "Casey Hudson isn't a closet na-zi"


It's not poorly explained, the concept is poor. Period. Nothing about this "new life" excludes the possibility of war, or the possibility of creating AIs. Pure machines will still be more efficient.


The concept is poor if we only have currently understood science to go off of.  Given our understanding of the universe is a joke in the scheme of things, the concept that perhaps there will one day be a way to create life that is both synthetic and organic, which is the pinnacle of evolution isn't that much more farfetched than any other idea outside our understanding of the universe.


Again, assume what you want. The Catalyst is a genocidal murderer. This is a fact in the game.
The Catalyst basis it's actions on a philosophy of intolerance and racism, and Shepard is forced to accept this philosophy, one of those options - synthesis - being the embodiment of it.

I don't know what to believe about the ones who wrote and approved it. Maybe they just didn't think it through, but the disturbing implications are there.


He's a genocidal murderer.  He's not racist or intolerant if you take what he says as the truth.  Again, I argue Casey Hudson read the Singularity a month before the game went gold and thought "oh, shiiit."  If you can't understand the argument, it goes something like this:

1. Eventually we will create machines that are smarter than us.
2. Those machines will be able to create machines smarter than them.
3. The result will be an exponential growth in technological development, leading to the end of technological development  (i.e. the "pinnacle" of intellectual evolution).
4. At some point, those machines will be so much smarter than us, their concept of 'life' will be incompatible with ours.  They will see no meaningful reason for our continued existence, and will thus directly or indirectly wipe us out.
5. In order to stop this inevitable outcome, a sentient race, who had apparently witnessed this numerous times, decided to step in and save organic life from itself.

Do I think this is the logical outcome of life?  No.  But is it somewhat believable?  Sure.  If you can't admit the concept of machines so much smarter than us deciding our life is meaningless in the grand scheme of things is a valid concept, then you clearly haven't noticed how most humans treat animals.

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DJBare wrote...

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Silly me and my different opinions. Shame on me for not conforming.

But no problem forcing others to conform, is that what you are saying?


Internet debating 101:

When other people go back on their logic, it's hypocrisy and/or a double standard.

When YOU (as in, yourself) do it, it's perfectly fine.

Yup, I'm just requesting he clarify his position, synthesis is conformity, Shepard by choosing synthesis is forcing conformity.


oh, lol. That silly argument again. 

The thing is that it may be not optional, it really is the only bad thing about the option in my mind. Which is much better than Genocide or Mass Enslavement in my mind.

Neither the terms "mass enslavement" nor "genocide" can be applied to the Reapers because the Reapers are not even alive, much less sapient.

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Actually, the implants are pretty much a seperate organism. Saren is in a constant conflict with the implants over control of his own mind at the end of the game. The synthetic side is vying for dominance over the organic side. The division between organic and synthetic still remains. By the end of the game, the synthetic side has total dominance and Saren becomes a fully synthetic creature controlled by Sovereign. The organic Saren is gone by that time.


You're kidding, right? Indoctrination specifically affects organic minds, and this is what Saren was battling against. He was dedicating huge parts of his base to researching this.
The implants would have allowed Sovereign an easier time by directly exposing Saren's mind to Reaper tech constantly, but that's it.


You remember the last boss fight? Where the implant/synthetic parts attack you adn all the organic parts of him had died off?


Because Sovereign had all but said "f**k it" and took manual control?

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nuculerman wrote...

Life continues exactly as it would have, except there's no need to create AI's because the pinnacle of evolution has already been reached.

Sure, if the organic contribution to the combination represents the pinnacle of organic evolution.

Which it doesn't, even if such a thing is possible.

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Oh and people saying synthesis is oh so different, it's not like Saren and his implants.

I'm sorry, who does synthesis use as a template again?
Oh yeah. Shepard. With her implants.

Oops.

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Exactly. The synthetic implants are allowing Sovereign complete control over Saren's organic mind. The boundaries still exist between organic and synthetic with one side assuming control of the other. In time Saren's mind would have rotted away leaving nothing but synthetic parts. With the bullet in his head, the organic side dies prematurely leaving only the synthetic part at the end (a husk).

With synthesis no such boundary exists and neither side can dominate the other as the sides no longer exist.


What boundery? THE BODY FUNCTIONS AS ONE. The presence of the tech exposes Saren's mind to Reaper influence.
How do you know synthesis is any different in that regard? You don't.

Sovereign assumed control of Saren's body, and the process destroyed Saren's organic parts. However, nothing says the body could function without the organic mind without Sovereign.


The boundary= synthetic parts and organic parts. That's called a boundary. The synthetic parts are dominating the organic parts- his mind is under synthetic control. Synthesis is presented as creating a new framework, a new genetic code. Synthetic and organic merge into one. Neither side can control the other as the 'sides' no longer exist. That is totally and utterly different to what happens to Saren in ME1.

Stop making me repeat myself.

Modifié par Bad King, 27 avril 2012 - 10:35 .


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Oh and people saying synthesis is oh so different, it's not like Saren and his implants.

I'm sorry, who does synthesis use as a template again?
Oh yeah. Shepard. With her implants.

Oops.


Yeah, I'm still not getting this. It is even arguably worse than Saren (minus direct intervention) in that it is completely integrated on a molecular level, rather than being just some implants. Whole different scale.

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[quote]The Angry One wrote...

[quote]lx_theo wrote...

The ability to surpass significantly is all that matters. In the ME universe, it is shown that a fully realized AI is much superior to an organic. Look at how the Geth Quarian War ends if you only side with the Geth.[/quote]

The Geth with upgraded Reaper code. Against a ragtag fleet which had previously kicked their ass.

And yeah, these same Geth who occupied Rannoch for 300 years and wouldn't even kill the birds.
Extermination of all organic life my ass.
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Then you had heretics who sides with the Reapers... Yeah, they're completely capable of agreeing with it happening.


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[quote]It is inevitable. Eventually some synthetic somewhere would have the bright idea thatorganics don't serve a purpose anywhere, and be ablt to have the influence to follow through, whether it is a part of a war or just arrogance. It will happen, given enough time.[/quote]

Given enough time, humans could blow up the universe. So lets kill all humans to be sure.
I've explained many times why the infinite time argument is a fallacy.[/quote]
Okay... No. It's a plenty legitimate argument. Technological Singularity means that there would be a point where the Synthetics weould have to choose between letting organics continue on, or to kill them all off. At some point in history, the latter will be picked.
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[quote]And no proof of it not happening before the Reapers. I'll even throw you a few possibilities of how the conclusion counter the effect of singularity I've discussed could come about...

It could have been a counter argument to a group who was going ahead to do the exterminatio. The Reapers were the compromising solution (Obviously Synthetics don't see Organics life each of its own as important in the situations, so preservation via the Reapers is logical enough for them to go to).[/quote]

Then that'd be proof of AIs deciding not to exterminate all organic life..
[/quote]Exactly. The solution is the proof of the decision to exterminate. It means it has existed, and has had enough of a possibility to warrant the solution of the Reapers. Even argument has two sides, like now. If there is no extermination opinion, there is no solution option.

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[quote]It could have been a civilation that rose that looked back on Organic extermination and decided to make sure it never happens again (new organic life would eventually come about).[/quote]

If organics were exterminated before, how are we here now?
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Life started once. It can start again.
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[quote]It could have been a calculated prediction. Mind you, I tend to trust my calculator.[/quote]

A prediction based on intolerance.
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Yes, it a prediction that there will eventually be intolerant enough opinions to go through with it. Thank you.
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No, we wouldn't be at all.
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Alright.

Organic creates machine.
Machine has AI.
AI machine wipes out organics.

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Hybrid creates machine.
Machine has AI.
AI machine wipes out hybrids.

WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE?

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The discrepency of the technological singularity is not there, so it can't happen any more than an organic wiping out an organics can.

#109
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General User wrote...

lx_theo wrote...

DJBare wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

DJBare wrote...

lx_theo wrote...
Silly me and my different opinions. Shame on me for not conforming.

But no problem forcing others to conform, is that what you are saying?


Internet debating 101:

When other people go back on their logic, it's hypocrisy and/or a double standard.

When YOU (as in, yourself) do it, it's perfectly fine.

Yup, I'm just requesting he clarify his position, synthesis is conformity, Shepard by choosing synthesis is forcing conformity.


oh, lol. That silly argument again. 

The thing is that it may be not optional, it really is the only bad thing about the option in my mind. Which is much better than Genocide or Mass Enslavement in my mind.

Neither the terms "mass enslavement" nor "genocide" can be applied to the Reapers because the Reapers are not even alive, much less sapient.


Them talking to you and forming opinions isn't life to you? Shame.

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Bad King wrote...

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Exactly. The synthetic implants are allowing Sovereign complete control over Saren's organic mind. The boundaries still exist between organic and synthetic with one side assuming control of the other. In time Saren's mind would have rotted away leaving nothing but synthetic parts. With the bullet in his head, the organic side dies prematurely leaving only the synthetic part at the end (a husk).

With synthesis no such boundary exists and neither side can dominate the other as the sides no longer exist.


What boundery? THE BODY FUNCTIONS AS ONE. The presence of the tech exposes Saren's mind to Reaper influence.
How do you know synthesis is any different in that regard? You don't.

Sovereign assumed control of Saren's body, and the process destroyed Saren's organic parts. However, nothing says the body could function without the organic mind without Sovereign.


The boundary= synthetic parts and organic parts. That's called a boundary. The synthetic parts are dominating the organic parts- his mind is under synthetic control. Synthesis is presented as creating a new framework, a new genetic code. Synthetic and organic merge into one. Neither side can control the other as the 'sides' no longer exist. That is totally and utterly different to what happens to Saren in ME1.

Stop making me repeat myself.


Yeah, it's worse. Saren had implants, much like Shepard. Synthesis essentially forces everyone to have their very essence as a living being to be modified. That's far worse than a few dozen implants into an essentially organic being.

Modifié par Unit-Alpha, 27 avril 2012 - 10:39 .


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The logical conclusion of evolution is the end of evolution.  If you don't understand this, you don't understand the science of evolution, or the mathematics that describe it (game theory).


There is no logical conclusion to evolution. Not in real life, and not in the game.

Implications based off your assumption of what synthesis is.  I at least admit I'm making assumptions.  Please stop spouting your opinions based of your less probably assumptions as facts.


The Catalyst flat out says that the only way to achieve peace is to make that which is different the same.
This is not opinion, this is what is stated. The implcations are there

You clearly need a class in formal logic.  Your conclsusions rest on assumptions, the truth of which we may never know.  My assumptions are at least more likely, considering they rest on the axiom "Casey Hudson isn't a closet na-zi"


I am in constant amusement of ending defenders assuming those they disagree with are ignorant. Projecting much?
I never said anything about Casey Hudson, that's where you are assuming. I am saying that there are implications, which there are.


The concept is poor if we only have currently understood science to go off of.  Given our understanding of the universe is a joke in the scheme of things, the concept that perhaps there will one day be a way to create life that is both synthetic and organic, which is the pinnacle of evolution isn't that much more farfetched than any other idea outside our understanding of the universe.


Even if we could, it would not be the pinnacle of evolution! It would be a form of life successful in some areas and less viable in others, the same as all life is everywhere.

He's a genocidal murderer.  He's not racist or intolerant if you take what he says as the truth.  Again, I argue Casey Hudson read the Singularity a month before the game went gold and thought "oh, shiiit."  If you can't understand the argument, it goes something like this:


You can believe or disagree with what he says, but they are intolerant.

1. Eventually we will create machines that are smarter than us.
2. Those machines will be able to create machines smarter than them.
3. The result will be an exponential growth in technological development, leading to the end of technological development  (i.e. the "pinnacle" of intellectual evolution).
4. At some point, those machines will be so much smarter than us, their concept of 'life' will be incompatible with ours.  They will see no meaningful reason for our continued existence, and will thus directly or indirectly wipe us out.
5. In order to stop this inevitable outcome, a sentient race, who had apparently witnessed this numerous times, decided to step in and save organic life from itself.

Do I think this is the logical outcome of life?  No.  But is it somewhat believable?  Sure.  If you can't admit the concept of machines so much smarter than us deciding our life is meaningless in the grand scheme of things is a valid concept, then you clearly haven't noticed how most humans treat animals.


Animals are not sapient, and do not demonstrate this in any way.
If they could, do you think humans would take this lying down? There are humans who protect and preserve animals NOW, let alone if they were provably intelligent.

The Catalyst's beliefs stem from it's philosophy that sentient beings cannot get along because they are different, the difference being organic and synthetic. THAT is racist, THAT is intolerant and THAT is utterly reprihensible.

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The boundary= synthetic parts and organic parts. That's called a boundary. The synthetic parts are dominating the organic parts- his mind is under synthetic control. Synthesis is presented as creating a new framework, a new genetic code. Synthetic and organic merge into one. Neither side can control the other as the 'sides' no longer exist. That is totally and utterly different to what happens to Saren in ME1.

Stop making me repeat myself.


Different method. Same result. Stop making ME repeat myself.

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If organics were exterminated before, how are we here now?

Life started once. It can start again.


Assuming the older synthetics that wiped out organic life in the past just sort of stopped doing their jobs and left us to grow and advance.

Modifié par o Ventus, 27 avril 2012 - 10:39 .


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lx_theo wrote...

General User wrote...

lx_theo wrote...

DJBare wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

DJBare wrote...

lx_theo wrote...
Silly me and my different opinions. Shame on me for not conforming.

But no problem forcing others to conform, is that what you are saying?


Internet debating 101:

When other people go back on their logic, it's hypocrisy and/or a double standard.

When YOU (as in, yourself) do it, it's perfectly fine.

Yup, I'm just requesting he clarify his position, synthesis is conformity, Shepard by choosing synthesis is forcing conformity.


oh, lol. That silly argument again. 

The thing is that it may be not optional, it really is the only bad thing about the option in my mind. Which is much better than Genocide or Mass Enslavement in my mind.

Neither the terms "mass enslavement" nor "genocide" can be applied to the Reapers because the Reapers are not even alive, much less sapient.


Them talking to you and forming opinions isn't life to you? Shame.

There are ads on the internet that talk to me.  And no Reaper ever formed an opinion that wasn't issued to it by it's builders.  They were just robots following their programming.

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The Angry One wrote...

Bad King wrote...

The boundary= synthetic parts and organic parts. That's called a boundary. The synthetic parts are dominating the organic parts- his mind is under synthetic control. Synthesis is presented as creating a new framework, a new genetic code. Synthetic and organic merge into one. Neither side can control the other as the 'sides' no longer exist. That is totally and utterly different to what happens to Saren in ME1.

Stop making me repeat myself.


Different method. Same result. Stop making ME repeat myself.


But it isn't the same result. One had boundaries between what is organic and what is synthetic and the other has no boundary and is a completely new framework. Why is this so hard to accept?

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Bad King wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Bad King wrote...

The boundary= synthetic parts and organic parts. That's called a boundary. The synthetic parts are dominating the organic parts- his mind is under synthetic control. Synthesis is presented as creating a new framework, a new genetic code. Synthetic and organic merge into one. Neither side can control the other as the 'sides' no longer exist. That is totally and utterly different to what happens to Saren in ME1.

Stop making me repeat myself.


Different method. Same result. Stop making ME repeat myself.


But it isn't the same result. One had boundaries between what is organic and what is synthetic and the other has no boundary. Why is this so hard to accept?


Saren - Synthetic parts working alongside an organic base.

Synthesis - Synthetic parts working alongside an organic base.

Am I missing something? How are they functionally different?

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Bad King wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Bad King wrote...

The boundary= synthetic parts and organic parts. That's called a boundary. The synthetic parts are dominating the organic parts- his mind is under synthetic control. Synthesis is presented as creating a new framework, a new genetic code. Synthetic and organic merge into one. Neither side can control the other as the 'sides' no longer exist. That is totally and utterly different to what happens to Saren in ME1.

Stop making me repeat myself.


Different method. Same result. Stop making ME repeat myself.


But it isn't the same result. One had boundaries between what is organic and what is synthetic and the other has no boundary. Why is this so hard to accept?


It's just further along the line than Saren's implants were. Which does not make it better.

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Early script notes say that synthesis is "becoming one with the Reapers".
Their intentions are clear, if they try to backpeddle then it'll just be more dishonesty.


It's fascinating how they are willing to retcon everything they said and published about the ending in order to cast the situation in a better light but are unwilling to retcon the horrible ending itself.


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Then you had heretics who sides with the Reapers... Yeah, they're completely capable of agreeing with it happening.


You have organics siding with Reapers too. I guess all organics are evil.


Okay... No. It's a plenty legitimate argument. Technological Singularity means that there would be a point where the Synthetics weould have to choose between letting organics continue on, or to kill them all off. At some point in history, the latter will be picked.


And sufficiently advanced humans will have a choice between letting the universe continue, or blowing it up. At some point in history, the latter will be picked.

Exactly. The solution is the proof of the decision to exterminate. It means it has existed, and has had enough of a possibility to warrant the solution of the Reapers. Even argument has two sides, like now. If there is no extermination opinion, there is no solution option.


Except it's self defeating, because AIs decided not to, whatever the method the Catalyst chooses.

Life started once. It can start again.


Then the Catalyst has no purpose.

Yes, it a prediction that there will eventually be intolerant enough opinions to go through with it. Thank you.


You can start making sense any time now.

The discrepency of the technological singularity is not there, so it can't happen any more than an organic wiping out an organics can.


Garbage. A pure machine will be more efficient than a hybrid. Even if they were at an equal level, machines can mass produce themselves. Maybe they'll make nanomachines to swarm hybrid worlds and dissolve them into goo. Hey I can make idiotic doomsday scenarios too.

I will state AGAIN that the technological singularity is an UNKNOWN. It is not a guaranteed AI will take over the universe scenario.

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There are ads on the internet that talk to me.  And no Reaper ever formed an opinion that wasn't issued to it by it's builders.  They were just robots following their programming.


Something that hasn't been said yet.

Every single Reaper so far (Sovereign, Harbinger, nameless Destroyer on Rannoch, etc) has shared the same "opinion" (that organics must be eradicated). If someone is going to argue "opinions = life", then why haven't we fought any hipster Reapers?

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lx_theo wrote...

General User wrote...

lx_theo wrote...

DJBare wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

DJBare wrote...

lx_theo wrote...
Silly me and my different opinions. Shame on me for not conforming.

But no problem forcing others to conform, is that what you are saying?


Internet debating 101:

When other people go back on their logic, it's hypocrisy and/or a double standard.

When YOU (as in, yourself) do it, it's perfectly fine.

Yup, I'm just requesting he clarify his position, synthesis is conformity, Shepard by choosing synthesis is forcing conformity.


oh, lol. That silly argument again. 

The thing is that it may be not optional, it really is the only bad thing about the option in my mind. Which is much better than Genocide or Mass Enslavement in my mind.

Neither the terms "mass enslavement" nor "genocide" can be applied to the Reapers because the Reapers are not even alive, much less sapient.


Them talking to you and forming opinions isn't life to you? Shame.

Reapers are lovecraftian horror creatures. Even when not alive anymore they are still able to indoctrinate people and mess up their minds. From what we have gathered over the course of the trilogy, assuming peaceful coexistence with them as possible is foolish.

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o Ventus wrote...

Bad King wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Bad King wrote...

The boundary= synthetic parts and organic parts. That's called a boundary. The synthetic parts are dominating the organic parts- his mind is under synthetic control. Synthesis is presented as creating a new framework, a new genetic code. Synthetic and organic merge into one. Neither side can control the other as the 'sides' no longer exist. That is totally and utterly different to what happens to Saren in ME1.

Stop making me repeat myself.


Different method. Same result. Stop making ME repeat myself.


But it isn't the same result. One had boundaries between what is organic and what is synthetic and the other has no boundary. Why is this so hard to accept?


Saren - Synthetic parts working alongside an organic base.

Synthesis - Synthetic parts working alongside an organic base.

Am I missing something? How are they functionally different?


Yes you are missing something. Synthesis merges synthetics and organics into a completely new genetic framework. 'Synthetic' and 'organic' no longer exist. This was the entire purpose of the synthesis ending- to remove boundaries and have all life share the same framework. This is completely different to having an organic base with synthetic implants as this continues to represent the boundary between what is organic and what is synthetic, so the conflict between the two continues.

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o Ventus wrote...

lx_theo wrote...

The Angry One wrote...


If organics were exterminated before, how are we here now?

Life started once. It can start again.


Assuming the older synthetics that wiped out organic life in the past just sort of stopped doing their jobs and left us to grow and advance.


Obviosuly they would have. Whatever implemented the Reapers as a solution would have needed them out of the way to do it.

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Them talking to you and forming opinions isn't life to you? Shame.

Reapers are lovecraftian horror creatures. Even when not alive anymore they are still able to indoctrinate people and mess up their minds. From what we have gathered over the course of the trilogy, assuming peaceful coexistence with them as possible is foolish.


The Reapers are a tool. Of they can no longer serve their purpose, then I see them simply wandering off back to dark space. No need for coexistance. But also no need for genocide (of Geth as well) or enslavement.

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lx_theo wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

lx_theo wrote...

The Angry One wrote...


If organics were exterminated before, how are we here now?

Life started once. It can start again.


Assuming the older synthetics that wiped out organic life in the past just sort of stopped doing their jobs and left us to grow and advance.


Obviosuly they would have. Whatever implemented the Reapers as a solution would have needed them out of the way to do it.


Then why kill organics? If they're capable of eliminating the synthetics, why not just... eliminate the synthetics?