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[Halomaster07]

GodlessPaladin wrote...

Halomaster07 wrote...
Defensive utility + the ability to maintain that of a full dps build (which krogans lack), read the entire statement.

The notion that Salarian Engineers can deal death as efficiently as some of the more aggressive classes is just not true.  Heck, Salarian Engineers both defend worse than and do less damage than a Human Vanguard.

Then you simply are not playing them correctly or have not seen a decent player use one.

[AnthonyDraft]

What a narrow and boring way to play the game. You should be ashamed in all honesty.

[InfamousResult]

Halomaster07 wrote...

Then you simply are not playing them correctly or have not seen a decent player use one.

The irony is just..

Maleable.

I swear I could reach out and grab the irony and sculpt it into a Reaper if I wanted to. I could birth pure synthetic evil using my own two hands with how thick the irony is coming off of this post, I swear to God.

[Halomaster07]

GodlessPaladin wrote...

There doesn't actually NEED to be any new gathering of empirical evidence to wholly disavow your claims, not only because sufficient empirical evidence already exists and is easily accessible, but also because your claims are not logically valid to begin with.  Your arguments violate the most fundamental of logical principles.

And yet none has been pointed out, only mentioned.

Explain how my arguments violate the most fundamental of logical principles.

[marshalleck]

OP's awesome, it's like he hasn't played the game at all since the first two weeks of launch

[RazRei]

Halomaster07 wrote...

RazRei wrote...

Halomaster07 wrote...

Hypothetical, the same way you were "done with this thread."

Though as Ive said probably 5 times now, If I did let them in they would suck.

How would you know they suck if you haven't played with them?

Just stop generalizing and being an ignorant ....k

I HAVE played with them, that is the thing. I have played with hundreds. I thoroughly enojoy krogans; however, AS I STATED BEFORE, people can't play them effectively which is why they are on the list.

I am taking the odds of finding a good krogan, miniscule at best, and weighing them against playing with potentially terrible ones that need to be carried, revived multiple times per round, and run off on their own. Completely eradicating them from the classes playing is the best option.

You've never played with ME before so how do you know I would suck?  You've never played with Godless before so how would you know he sucks?

I rarely kick people out of my lobby, and I sure as hell don't kick a person out of a lobby because of their class perference.  

[GodlessPaladin]

Halomaster07 wrote...

GodlessPaladin wrote...

Halomaster07 wrote...
Defensive utility + the ability to maintain that of a full dps build (which krogans lack), read the entire statement.

The notion that Salarian Engineers can deal death as efficiently as some of the more aggressive classes is just not true.  Heck, Salarian Engineers both defend worse than and do less damage than a Human Vanguard.

Then you simply are not playing them correctly or have not seen a decent player use one.

Ahahahahahahahahahahahahaha, that's a good one.  Yeah, okay, tell me how to "play a Salarian Engineer correctly" such that it would match the pace I am killing things in, say, the Geth video link in my sig.  This ought to be an entertaining farce. 

Modifié par GodlessPaladin, 28 avril 2012 - 04:36 .

[Halomaster07]

RazRei wrote...

Halomaster07 wrote...

RazRei wrote...

Halomaster07 wrote...

Hypothetical, the same way you were "done with this thread."

Though as Ive said probably 5 times now, If I did let them in they would suck.

How would you know they suck if you haven't played with them?

Just stop generalizing and being an ignorant ....k

I HAVE played with them, that is the thing. I have played with hundreds. I thoroughly enojoy krogans; however, AS I STATED BEFORE, people can't play them effectively which is why they are on the list.

I am taking the odds of finding a good krogan, miniscule at best, and weighing them against playing with potentially terrible ones that need to be carried, revived multiple times per round, and run off on their own. Completely eradicating them from the classes playing is the best option.

You've never played with ME before so how do you know I would suck?  You've never played with Godless before so how would you know he sucks?

I rarely kick people out of my lobby, and I sure as hell don't kick a person out of a lobby because of their class perference.  

I don't. I'm taking into consideration the fact that the odds of you being decent is rather slim.

[BanditGR]

Halomaster07 wrote...

I HAVE played with them, that is the thing. I have played with hundreds. I thoroughly enojoy krogans; however, AS I STATED BEFORE, people can't play them effectively which is why they are on the list.

I am taking the odds of finding a good krogan, miniscule at best, and weighing them against playing with potentially terrible ones that need to be carried, revived multiple times per round, and run off on their own. Completely eradicating them from the classes playing is the best option.

But you haven't played with them, that is the thing. You've only played with a small percentage of Krogan players that were (supposedly) not skilled in their class, according to your own standards. Even if we are to assume that, that was indeed the case, what you are doing is making a blanket statement for ALL krogan players (and not only), based on your own bad experience and preconceptions. The same (false) claim can be made for any class, depending on a person's bad experience.

[RazRei]

Halomaster07 wrote...

I don't. I'm taking into consideration the fact that the odds of you being decent is rather slim.

AHAHAHA what a scrub.

[GodlessPaladin]

Halomaster07 wrote...

GodlessPaladin wrote...

There doesn't actually NEED to be any new gathering of empirical evidence to wholly disavow your claims, not only because sufficient empirical evidence already exists and is easily accessible, but also because your claims are not logically valid to begin with. Your arguments violate the most fundamental of logical principles.

And yet none has been pointed out, only mentioned.

Explain how my arguments violate the most fundamental of logical principles.

I've already done this on MANY occasions, including naming specific fallacies for you. You continue to act like you don't even notice that this happened.

Or maybe you don't understand why contradictions are a problem? Some of the most fundamental logical principles are the three laws of thought... the law of non-contradiction, the law of identity, and the law of excluded middle.

[Halomaster07]

BanditGR wrote...

Halomaster07 wrote...

I HAVE played with them, that is the thing. I have played with hundreds. I thoroughly enojoy krogans; however, AS I STATED BEFORE, people can't play them effectively which is why they are on the list.

I am taking the odds of finding a good krogan, miniscule at best, and weighing them against playing with potentially terrible ones that need to be carried, revived multiple times per round, and run off on their own. Completely eradicating them from the classes playing is the best option.

But you haven't played with them, that is the thing. You've only played with a small percentage of Krogan players that were (supposedly) not skilled in their class, according to your own standards. Even if we are to assume that, that was indeed the case, what you are doing is making a blanket statement for ALL krogan players (and not only), based on your own bad experience and preconceptions. The same (false) claim can be made for any class, depending on a person's bad experience.

That is a good point. I have however played with good krogans though. The ratio is vastly one sided though, and in the sample that is my experience it is not beneficial to waste time on a krogan to test his abilities.

[defleshing]

clearly the op has no concept of how this game actually works. or the meaning of different playstyles. since he is to good and above all of us we should just leave him to dominate and solo gold alone. looking forward to watching your vids of this weekends events. lol or send me an invite ill be the krogan picking u up on wave one.

[Halomaster07]

GodlessPaladin wrote...

Halomaster07 wrote...

GodlessPaladin wrote...

There doesn't actually NEED to be any new gathering of empirical evidence to wholly disavow your claims, not only because sufficient empirical evidence already exists and is easily accessible, but also because your claims are not logically valid to begin with. Your arguments violate the most fundamental of logical principles.

And yet none has been pointed out, only mentioned.

Explain how my arguments violate the most fundamental of logical principles.

I've already done this on MANY occasions, including naming specific fallacies for you. You continue to act like you don't even notice that this happened.

Or maybe you don't understand why contradictions are a problem? Some of the most fundamental logical principles are the three laws of thought... the law of non-contradiction, the law of identity, and the law of excluded middle.

You have pointed out contradictions that were misconstrued by your reading ability.



I will be back momentarily I must use the facilities.

You all keep at it though, I'm actually making dough off this now.

Modifié par Halomaster07, 28 avril 2012 - 04:38 .

[Drummernate]

The whole "Assume everyone who isn't me sucks" mentality is really getting old.

If we are smart enough to find the forums then I can assume that at least 50% of us are good enough to be called decent.

[GodlessPaladin]

I'm still waiting for him to explain to me how he kills things with a Salarian Engineer as fast as I'm killing things with a Geth Infiltrator in my videos (which constitute exactly the kind of evidence he's been asking for).

I swear, every time he says something he proves he's an even bigger idiot than in his last post.

Modifié par GodlessPaladin, 28 avril 2012 - 04:40 .

[RazRei]

GodlessPaladin wrote...

I'm still waiting for him to explain to me how he kills things with a Salarian Engineer as fast as I'm killing things with a Geth Infiltrator in my videos (which constitute exactly the kind of evidence he's been asking for).

ED > Claymore X + Choke V + Barrel V + AMP III + AP Ammo III can kill targets pretty quick on a Salarian Engineer but not as fast as an Infiltrator.

[incinerator950]

Drummernate wrote...

The whole "Assume everyone who isn't me sucks" mentality is really getting old.

If we are smart enough to find the forums then I can assume that at least 50% of us are good enough to be called decent.

Implying that metagame requires common sense?  Nonsense!

[Drummernate]

Technically the Salarian can be used to kill stuff that fast.

(Max damage energy drain + Claymore + Power Recharge Amp)

However, it cannot do AoE melee and can't see through walls.

I used to use the Salarian Engineer all the time. He is great for tech bursts!

[GodlessPaladin]

RazRei wrote...

GodlessPaladin wrote...

I'm still waiting for him to explain to me how he kills things with a Salarian Engineer as fast as I'm killing things with a Geth Infiltrator in my videos (which constitute exactly the kind of evidence he's been asking for).

ED > Claymore X + Choke V + Barrel V + AMP III + AP Ammo III can kill targets pretty quick on a Salarian Engineer but not as fast as an Infiltrator.

Yes.  But again, that's not even close to the performance of a Geth Infiltrator as demonstrated in the videos in my sig (and that GI isn't using equipment except for AP ammo 1).  Besides, a Krogan can use a Claymore + Choke V + Barrel V + AMP III + AP Ammo III too, and the ED isn't necessary for one shotting things.

Drummernate wrote...

Technically the Salarian can be used to kill stuff that fast.

  No, it technically CAN'T.

(Max
damage energy drain + Claymore + Power Recharge Amp)

  That damage output is not nearly so high as the GI and will not do things like kill Atlasses in a few seconds (along with everything surrounding said Atlas), let alone nuke entire spawn points at a time.  What you just describes does comparable damage to the point in my cycle as a GI where I am doing BY FAR THE LOWEST DAMAGE of any point in that cycle.  At every other point, it's stacking high damage, high radius proximity mines and cloak bonuses and melee on top of that, nevermind shooting enemies through walls, knowing where the enemy is to get to them faster, and running faster to reach the enemies.  It's not even close.

The Salarian Engineer can do good damage, but so can EVERYTHING just by holding a Claymore (including a Krogan), and it is by no means comparable to what many other classes can do.

Moreover, according to the OP, a Salarian Engineer with a Claymore is Kick tier. 

Modifié par GodlessPaladin, 28 avril 2012 - 04:49 .

[RazRei]

You know Paladin, he plays on the 360. You minds well have him tag along for one of your lobbies and show him what a good player can do.

[TeamLexana]

Oh my god. Why everyone so mad? If he or she doesn't want to play with you, it's not the end of the world. Relax. lol.

[Dookie no jutsu]

 Man, I wish I could be as good as the OP at this game. That way I can kick every single person that comes into my lobby like an ***hole.

[InfamousResult]

TeamLexana wrote...

Oh my god. Why everyone so mad? If he or she doesn't want to play with you, it's not the end of the world. Relax. lol.

lol no

[RazRei]

TeamLexana wrote...

Oh my god. Why everyone so mad? If he or she doesn't want to play with you, it's not the end of the world. Relax. lol.

Because this is the internet, we all have an as$hole, and we all must let everyone else sniff our farts.

Modifié par RazRei, 28 avril 2012 - 04:48 .