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Allan Schumacher wrote...


Maybe it's just me, I felt awful for poor Ben.  :(


No, I felt awful for Ben, too. I kept him alive as long as I could. I felt he was just a kid. Maybe it's because I work with teenagers on a daily basis. Some of them are surpisingly mature and responsible and have more common sense than some adults, but there are some who never seemed to mature past puberty and make the most asinine choices and lack common sense. I would like to think when the **** went down, I'd protect them no matter what.

With Ben, I thought about what I'd do in real life and I would like to think I'd keep him alive. Though, I can completely understand Kenny's rage at him. I felt rage at Ben myself--when Carly died for his mistake and when he failed to protect Clem and caused Chuck's death. I can also understand why some left him to die. I am sure they felt he was a detriment to their group's survival. That is why I love The Walking Dead. It isn't about making the right choice or the wrong choice. You do what you feel you have to in order to survive and to ensure other's survive. The decisions aren't wrong, they're just difficult.

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Maria Caliban wrote...
Translation: Yes, all the adult women are killed off or simply go insane in the span of 15 minutes, leaving us with four dudes and a little girl. I have no clue why this would upset someone; it must be because they want to see men die!


Sure, Lilly goes off the rails, but she never was all there anyway. And her actions in the game reflect what she does to a major character in the comics. Carley getting a bullet in the head is more or less the same fate as Doug at the hands of Lilly. And Katjaa going suicidal is foreshadowed quite a bit, so it doesn't simply happen out of the blue.

Its The Walking Dead, so pretty much every character, male or female is going to end up dead one way or another- suicide, murdered, bitten, whatever. There are just as many male characters that snap and go crazy as there are females, overall.

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I felt horrible when I dropped him in
Crawford, worse when I saw he was still alive after the fall and was
screaming while being devoured. God, that was brutal.


Yup, but I think thats one of the best scenes in the game, with the music especially. The fact that he was asking to be dropped is why I ultimately did it. If he didn't want to be a part of that world anymore, I wasn't going to blame him and save him against his will.

Dave of Canada wrote...

 I love this.


Hahaha- I think dropping Ben is fine since it gives you Kenny's scene saving Christa which is way better than his scene saving or killing Ben. The music in that scene is fantastic.

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Brockololly wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...
I felt horrible when I dropped him in
Crawford, worse when I saw he was still alive after the fall and was
screaming while being devoured. God, that was brutal.


Yup, but I think thats one of the best scenes in the game, with the music especially. The fact that he was asking to be dropped is why I ultimately did it. If he didn't want to be a part of that world anymore, I wasn't going to blame him and save him against his will.


Good lord... the kid isn't dead when he hits the floor? That fate is just cruel. :blink:

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Maria Caliban wrote...

Episode 3 should be titled Women in Refrigerators.

Carley - Doug could have died as well, and it's partly a gameplay reason to not have to continue making different scenes for them.

Lily - She's in the comics, so she had to go at some point.  I personally like they went the route of her becoming more unhinged than becoming a better leader since her dad's not around like some people thought.  Generally, losing loved family members is more likely to make someone more emotional, not reasonable.

Katjaa - This deals with Kenny's family as a whole including her AND Duck.  All this time Kenny had been doing everything to protect his family, and now he no longer had one.

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Here is the theme for Lee walking through the zombie horde with just a cleaver and a bloody stump.



It feels so heroic yet sad at the same time.

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Dave of Canada wrote...

I don't think he was being competent, just... grew a bit of a backbone.


It's both. He was proving himself capable at dealing with Walkers -- even if it was only a couple -- and didn't jeopardize the group's safety through his own actions.

At the same time, he had grown fed up with Kenny constantly berating him for something he apologized for numerous times, telling Kenny that he at least had something that Ben never got in this new world.

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Episode 3 should be titled Women in Refrigerators.


No.

Lilly needed to leave the group, as she was part of Woodbury in the comics. That's vital to her story arc, where she regains her badassery. The fact that they tied it to her father's death -- the only person she had left in this world -- was a plus for me. Losing family members tends to make people emotional. The fact that Kenny (and Lee) are still in the group proves a constant reminder to her of her father's death, and she's going to have a tough time moving past it every time she sees them. 

Deaths of family members in stressful situations make people emotional and unreasonable, not logical and reasonable.

Never mind the significance of the traitor in the group situation they were in, which prompted conflict to arise.

Katjaa's death was a part of the whole family aspect that Kenny was trying to preserve. Her death was a great piece of writing, and she even said herself that she loved her son more then life itself. It really causes Kenny to develop even more as a character and is great... pathos, I believe is the term.

The only death in episode 3 that I felt was uncalled for was Carley, simply because of how it seemed forced to happen. It wasn't a natural thing. I can understand the literary reasons for Carley's death -- Lee having a growing relationship with her cut short -- but I don't think it should've happened in Episode 3, if at all. Were it to have happened later on in some other method -- obviously without Lilly -- then I might have been fine with it.

Or had the Ep. 3 death been better handled. It seemed to be done for less the literary reasons and more the game development reasons.

But Doug and Duck die in Episode 3 -- the former if he was saved obviously. Frankly, the group has seen its share of deaths or departures for both genders -- that weren't cameo characters -- equally.

Doug, Duck, Larry, Mark, Katjaa, Carley, Lilly. 4 men, 3 women. 

I do not think Women in Refrigerators applies to this, since that's about how the deaths of female supporting characters as plot devices are disproportionate to those of male supporting characters. The Walking Dead has no shortage of great female characters. Subsequent episodes in the game even disprove the idea of WiR.

The game keeps consistent with the themes of the comics: anyone can die. No one is exempt from it.

Modifié par The Ethereal Writer Redux, 25 novembre 2012 - 03:55 .


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Just finished the game today. And oh my. What. A. Game. No piece of fiction has ever moved me this much. From the little 'shocks' to the emotionally staggering ending - a truly breath-taking experience. Bravo.


Now, allow me to throw out my little theory on Season 2: It will star Clementine as the main character; not as a 9-year-old, though. That would be kinda weird. I'd say there'll be a timeskip of ~5-9 years.

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Sauruz wrote...

Just finished the game today. And oh my. What. A. Game. No piece of fiction has ever moved me this much. From the little 'shocks' to the emotionally staggering ending - a truly breath-taking experience. Bravo.


Now, allow me to throw out my little theory on Season 2: It will star Clementine as the main character; not as a 9-year-old, though. That would be kinda weird. I'd say there'll be a timeskip of ~5-9 years.

I'd be happy with Clem or Molly as the new protaganist.

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Sauruz wrote...

Just finished the game today. And oh my. What. A. Game. No piece of fiction has ever moved me this much. From the little 'shocks' to the emotionally staggering ending - a truly breath-taking experience. Bravo.


Now, allow me to throw out my little theory on Season 2: It will star Clementine as the main character; not as a 9-year-old, though. That would be kinda weird. I'd say there'll be a timeskip of ~5-9 years.


Not sure if this would happen. They will most likley stay within the timeline of the events of the outbreak. I doubt they'd move forward that much in time due to the inconsistency it would cause with future comics and television episodes.

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I'd rather not see Clementine as the Season 2 protagonist, for a number of reasons.

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Interview with Robert Kirkman in Game Informer

I note that he sits in with the TV writing crew, but only specifically praises the writing of the Telltale game.  :)

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Best of Walking Dead Part 1



- The best one so far

I made it myself.

Modifié par JasonRocker, 27 novembre 2012 - 01:27 .


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I doubt Clem will be the Season 2 protagonist. Kenny will probably be the Season 2 protagonist, if it's going to be anyone from Season 1.

But I doubt that would happen either.

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Just finished episode 5 a while ago. My god, that broke my heart into pieces. Brilliant game though, and my personal game of the year.

And I doubt Clem will be the new pro-tag, or else what would be the point of the 'Clementine will remember that' notifications?

I imagine it'll take place as another character where you watch Clem develop in accordance to what Lee told her.

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GenericEnemy wrote...

I imagine it'll take place as another character where you watch Clem develop in accordance to what Lee told her.


This is what I figured as well, although I feel another 'Clementine guardian' might get a little repetitive. She still needs to be there though, I think the fact that Telltale made me worry about and care for a kid in the amount I did is a testament to how good season 1 was...

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The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

I doubt Clem will be the Season 2 protagonist. Kenny will probably be the Season 2 protagonist, if it's going to be anyone from Season 1.

But I doubt that would happen either.

Kenny died in my playthrough, so unless they're going to make multiple protagonists, it won't happen. Is Season 2 confirmed to use our choices from Season 1? Haven't read up much on the news.

My vote: brand new protag, with Clem popping up now and again.

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Kenny's death is ambiguous, no matter what. In both the Ben and Christa scenarios, you never actually see him get killed. Is it implied? Sure. But it's never confirmed to be so.

Also....

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Modifié par The Ethereal Writer Redux, 27 novembre 2012 - 06:20 .


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Holy hell I just finished the game. Yes, the game I bought it during the Steam sale for only $12 and I couldn't put it down. Better than the show! Telltale really struck gold with this gem of a game. I'll have to start posting in this thread now. Plan to start another playthrough but this time I wanna try being as neutral as possible or declining to say anything.

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Skelter192 wrote...

Holy hell I just finished the game. Yes, the game I bought it during the Steam sale for only $12 and I couldn't put it down. Better than the show! Telltale really struck gold with this gem of a game. I'll have to start posting in this thread now. Plan to start another playthrough but this time I wanna try being as neutral as possible or declining to say anything.


Clem: "LEE! Please don't go! Please don't leave me!"

Lee: "..." *dies*

Lee Everett: Trolling till the end! :D

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Maria Caliban wrote...

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Maria Caliban wrote...

Episode 3 should be titled Women in Refrigerators.


The surprise, i can't take it's potency. 

Would it reassure you if i told you that a bunch of male characters are killed and rendered helpless in future episodes? I'd hate to see someone put a game down because there aren't enough helpless males or GI Janes.

Translation: Yes, all the adult women are killed off or simply go insane in the span of 15 minutes, leaving us with four dudes and a little girl. I have no clue why this would upset someone; it must be because they want to see men die!


It's good to know that this forum hasn't changed. Two women can get killed off in The Walking Dead, the other one's fate is determined based on choice (and therefore doesn't necessarily have to happen) and someone's already trying to look for hidden controversy.

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Fisto The Sexbot wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

Gibb_Shepard wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

Episode 3 should be titled Women in Refrigerators.


The surprise, i can't take it's potency. 

Would it reassure you if i told you that a bunch of male characters are killed and rendered helpless in future episodes? I'd hate to see someone put a game down because there aren't enough helpless males or GI Janes.

Translation: Yes, all the adult women are killed off or simply go insane in the span of 15 minutes, leaving us with four dudes and a little girl. I have no clue why this would upset someone; it must be because they want to see men die!


It's good to know that this forum hasn't changed. Two women can get killed off in The Walking Dead, the other one's fate is determined based on choice (and therefore doesn't necessarily have to happen) and someone's already trying to look for hidden controversy.


What do you expect?

Feminism agenda I presume!

Maria Caliban would have an heart attack after reading I am Legend. No Human women at all!

I wouldn't care if I saw helpless men. I see it everyday.

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The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

I doubt Clem will be the Season 2 protagonist. Kenny will probably be the Season 2 protagonist, if it's going to be anyone from Season 1.

But I doubt that would happen either.

I actually thought as I was finishing up the game, that Clementine would be the next protagonist.  I think it's a possibility.  Advance a few years and have her find some of the old crew, or evidence of what happened to them.  Or, they could start over in a completely different location I guess.

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There's one thing that I honestly don't quite understand. Why is it Ben's fault that Kenny's family died? If anything, he actually bought them (and everyone else at the Motel) more time.

In Episode 2, we learn that the St. John's farm was providing food for the bandits so that they'll leave them alone. At the end of the episode, Jolene says "so long as they keep getting food from [the dairy]" then people like Clementine would be safe. Well, now that the St. Johns were out of the picture, the bandits would start going after other people for food. And you can bet those bandits would come knocking on Lee's group's door regardless of Ben's actions. If Ben didn't appease them with food and supplies for as long as he did, they would have attacked the Motel sooner. And at that point, Kenny would not have finished making repairs to the RV to allow for their escape.

Ben's only fault in the situation was not telling anyone about it. But considering Lily's mental state, it's understandable why. But regardless, he successfully managed to keep the bandits at bay for a while, because Kenny and Lee said they stopped attacking.

So I'm very confused why everyone keeps blaming Ben for Duck's and Katjaa's death. Seems to me if it wasn't for him, everyone at that motel would have been doomed much sooner.

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Also, I feel it's Lily's fault that Doug/Carley died. Not Ben. Again, I agree that if Ben had been honest from the beginning, it would not have caused the chain of events that ultimately lead to Doug's/Carley's untimely demise. But if you were dealing with someone acting so crazed like Lily, I don't really blame him for not wanting to fess up while she was being so frighteningly unstable. Regardless, it was Lily who decided to ultimately whip out that gun, aim it at one of the group members, and pull the trigger. Her intention was clearly to kill someone. Ben's intention was to help a friend/the group. I just don't see why it's his fault.

Modifié par harktag, 29 novembre 2012 - 12:21 .


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Finished it a couple of days ago and whoa, almost had me in tears, could feel myself welling up and a lump forming in my throat. How TellTale made the connection between Clementine and the player was lovely, I felt like I was protecting and guiding my niece. :')

Definitely an experience I'll remember for a long time, personal GOTY, and one of the best I've played in recent years.

Can't wait for season two.