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Brockololly wrote...

David Gaider wrote...
Isabela was bisexual, and talks about it outside of the PC's company. Being a very flirtatious character, it would be strange if she didn't. The other romances don't discuss it, but that was hardly a compromise as their sexuality isn't a big part of their characterization-- at least when not dealing with someone in whom they were actually sexually interested.

So, no, I don't see it as that big a concern. People who say it is seem to be magnifying it into the only aspect of the character that makes up their identity, when that's hardly true.


But then you have characters like Alistair or Morrigan, whose sexuality does make up one facet of their characterization. And I think they were more interesting characters for having a more defined sexuality as opposed to simply having an amorphous sexuality that changed based on the player character. I actually like having more defined NPCs. And I don't really get why one's sexuality wouldn't come up, especially if you were romancing a given character, at least to some extent.

So I'd welcome more exclusivity in that sense, if it meant more reactivity to the more player defined player character and the more fixed character of the NPC reacting to my PC. So have somebody like a heterosexual Aveline or Samara turn down the player character due to their personal beliefs. Or have Morrigan turn down the PC if they've specialized as a Templar. Or have Leliana have a preference for people with blond hair and blue eyes and comment on that if thats how you made your PC.  Or having Alistair react like an awkward virgin, complete with Morrigan and Oghren banter calling Alistair's sexuality in question because he's an awkward virgin. Or Alistair turning down an elf or dwarf as queen. Or Morrigan only letting a romanced Warden go with her into the Eluvian. Thats "exclusive" content that I enjoy since its the game reacting to my player character or a defined NPC bumping up against my PC. That sort of thing makes the world feel more real and not like its only revolving around every whim of the PC and makes me want to play the game again since I can't see or experience everything in one playthough.

Thats part of my whole issue with DA2, was that maybe by making the romances more inclusive thats a nice idea, but they felt pretty generic and one size fits all. That mentality seems to stretch to other areas of the game too, like the end game bosses being one size fits all no matter your choices too.

Thats something that I like about The Witcher 2. You've got the giant game changing branching paths, but if you're paying attention, the other characters you might not meet in a given branch still exist and are still players in the world without the input of the player character, because they're defined NPCs with their own motivations. So when you go back and play the other path, you're filled in on who those characters are and you come to realize some pretty amazing things that fill in the story that you didn't realize before... I won't say more for the sake of spoilers. Same thing with something like Alpha Protocol, the game doesn't necessarily revolve around the PC but you have meaningful reactivity and consequences.


Exactly what i was saying. I really want to see a reply to this.

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I don't see anything that shows the society of DA being any different to medivel.


Speaking as someone with a degree in the relevant field, Thedas is nothing like Medieval Europe when it comes to attitudes toward sexuality and gender. Just ... not even in the same post code. And why should it be, with a completely different religion influencing culture? The Andrastian Chantry is clearly far more interested in policing magic than policing sexuality, and it has very different ideas about appropriate roles for women.

You can't just look at attitudes in Medieval Europe and assume they carry over to Thedas - apart from the swords and the architecture, they're really not that similar. (Not that Medieval attitudes toward sexuality were always what people assume they were, but that's the subject of a whole other thesis.)

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*moved to other thread

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David Gaider wrote...
So we should, what? Have a pair of ambient elves in the market who talk publicly about how much they like both men and women? A codex entry where Brother Genitivi discusses "Sexuality in Thedas"?

It's not something that comes up because it's private-- and also because there are no terms that exist in that era. In our own history, the need to study and categorize sexuality didn't come about until the late 19th century... prior to that, it wasn't even a concept. The act was considered far more relevant than the impulse. So when it comes up outside of the player's personal experience, it's going to be either vague or implied (such as Wade & Herren, Branka & Hespith or the Viscount's son).

I'm not going to question why you feel the need to have the world advertise that sexuality is not treated the same as in our world when that's what the party members are showing you-- but I will suggest that the problem is yours and not one to be blamed on "world-building". You might be seeing what you want to see.


Well if Thedas is that different yes. I'm supposed to be an inhabitant of that world I really should know those things.

I see only people who can recognise it will.

All the party members are showing me is they don't comform to the wider society.



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While the topic of sexuality is interesting and all, it's not really relevant. So let's please drop it rather than turn the entire thread into a "why are romances all bisexual?" thread-- which I'm pretty sure exists elsewhere. Thanks.

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David Gaider wrote...

While the topic of sexuality is interesting and all, it's not really relevant. So let's please drop it rather than turn the entire thread into a "why are romances all bisexual?" thread-- which I'm pretty sure exists elsewhere. Thanks.


It is, in fact, being discussed here.

So, let's leave this thread for discussion of the interview.

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Brockololly wrote...
Thats something that I like about The Witcher 2. You've got the giant game changing branching paths, but if you're paying attention, the other characters you might not meet in a given branch still exist and are still players in the world without the input of the player character, because they're defined NPCs with their own motivations. So when you go back and play the other path, you're filled in on who those characters are and you come to realize some pretty amazing things that fill in the story that you didn't realize before... I won't say more for the sake of spoilers. Same thing with something like Alpha Protocol, the game doesn't necessarily revolve around the PC but you have meaningful reactivity and consequences.


This is what is missing !

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I don't have a problem with a trend towards more content for gay characters.I worry about there being a strict rule that all romance characters must be bisexual (or have subjective sexuality).


I don't  thnk equality has to mean providing the exact same romance options to both genders. I don't think a player should feel disheartened that another gender or sexuality has access to different content.

Players can't romance Aveline or Varric. But they should not feel upset if they found out that Aveline was romantically available to one gender or class. Or Varric only was into dwarves (if we could pick our races).

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... so, how about we go back to talking about David Gaider's cats?

Any chance of another zombie kitten army for DA3? I missed them in DA2.

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I always thought , except for Isabella , they were "Hawke -sexual".I don't understand what's the big deal about it.
Besides not everyone need to put an "etiquette" on their sexual life .

It's kinda funny cause the interview is a lot about "so there are female players!" "so you have gay romance!"
Shocking , lol.
I mean , can we just get over it? yes women play video game , and some people are gay , straight , bi and others just don't need to define or advertise their sexuality.

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Andrastee wrote...

... so, how about we go back to talking about David Gaider's cats?

Any chance of another zombie kitten army for DA3? I missed them in DA2.


I wonder what his cats names are?

I was also kind of excited at the comment about the potential for a kossith/qunari romance in the interview.

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Its posts like this that make me not even want to bother coming online. I feel that for all the assurances that its not personal prejudice to not want bisexual characters ...that its somehow "cheapens " the character to make them bisexual..it feels an awful lot like homophobia to me. This makes me sad.

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Okay David and Felicia talked about Buffy the Vampire Slayer, Planecape Torment, and alot about Romances.

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David Gaider wrote...

So when it comes up outside of the player's personal experience, it's going to be either vague or implied (such as Wade & Herren, Branka & Hespith or the Viscount's son).

So Seamas and Ashaad really did, you know... know each other pretty well? I always wondered if that was really the case or if Ginnis was just trying to be vulgar.

It's something I've always been curious about, because the qunari seem to have kind of a for-the-purpose-of-reproduction-only kind of sexuality. All conjecture, but if that's the case I always thought being with another man would be a big giant step even for someone who left the Qun. Which makes the two of them very brave.

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Good interview. It seems like a 30 minute relaxing chat allowing a focus on topics both were interested in.

(I am not thinking too clearly and stir up old arguments.)

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David Gaider wrote...


The benefit, of course, is that it allows others to play their game the way they wish. Whether it's a good enough trade-off is up to the individual, but from our perspective the ability to provide more choices to our fans far outstrips the "oh but that's not realistic" argument.

What I don't get is how some people go right to "everyone is bisexual". Which they're not. Fenris might romance a male character or Merrill a female character in an alternate reality from the game you're currently playing, but that does not make them "bisexual". That seems to stem from a need to slap a label somewhere where it doesn't belong.


I think the benefit in allowing people more choices is really great.

My LadyHawke didn't know Anders would romance a male Hawke, same with Fenris and...it was fine. More than fine actually. I love options Image IPB 

And toggles Image IPB

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FieryDove wrote...
My LadyHawke didn't know Anders would romance a male Hawke,

My Hawke did.  Doesn't he have a Boyfriend  that needs saving when you meet him in Act 1?


Edit: oops.  missed the "please get back on topic" call.  sorry.

Modifié par Yrkoon, 01 mai 2012 - 08:51 .


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What's the connection between Joss Whedon and Felicia Day? Are they friends?

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cJohnOne wrote...

What's the connection between Joss Whedon and Felicia Day? Are they friends?


Yep, they met when Felicia was in Buffy, and of course they worked together on Doctor Horrible, Dollhouse etc. 

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Buffy has companions. DragonAge has Companions. They sort of go together there.


What was David saying about Captain something or other. there somewhere.



Speaking of  Dr.Horrible's singalong blog.  I just watched it.  Could someone explain the ending to me?

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cJohnOne wrote...

Buffy has companions. DragonAge has Companions. They sort of go together there.

What was David saying about Captain something or other. there somewhere.

Speaking of  Dr.Horrible's singalong blog.  I just watched it.  Could someone explain the ending to me?


As DG was saying, Alistair is based on Xander (from Buffy) and Captain Reynolds (from Firefly) - two big Joss characters. 

This is seriously off-topic but I have no idea what is unclear about the ending of Dr Horrible. You might want to find a more relevant forum to discuss that in. 

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Thalia_themuse wrote...

cJohnOne wrote...

Buffy has companions. DragonAge has Companions. They sort of go together there.

What was David saying about Captain something or other. there somewhere.

Speaking of  Dr.Horrible's singalong blog.  I just watched it.  Could someone explain the ending to me?


As DG was saying, Alistair is based on Xander (from Buffy) and Captain Reynolds (from Firefly) - two big Joss characters. 

This is seriously off-topic but I have no idea what is unclear about the ending of Dr Horrible. You might want to find a more relevant forum to discuss that in. 


I can see a little bit of Xander in Alistair...but Captain Reynolds??   I see more Gilligan (Gilligan's Island) than the captain of the Firefly. 

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Dakota Strider wrote...

Thalia_themuse wrote...

cJohnOne wrote...

Buffy has companions. DragonAge has Companions. They sort of go together there.

What was David saying about Captain something or other. there somewhere.

Speaking of  Dr.Horrible's singalong blog.  I just watched it.  Could someone explain the ending to me?


As DG was saying, Alistair is based on Xander (from Buffy) and Captain Reynolds (from Firefly) - two big Joss characters. 

This is seriously off-topic but I have no idea what is unclear about the ending of Dr Horrible. You might want to find a more relevant forum to discuss that in. 


I can see a little bit of Xander in Alistair...but Captain Reynolds??   I see more Gilligan (Gilligan's Island) than the captain of the Firefly. 

I admit Mals heists never went as planed,But he's NO Alistair.Plus he (Alistair)never wore a pretty floral bonnet.

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I’ve finally gotten around to listening to this and I have a question.

Has Character Art ever actually said, “We’ve have this cool creature here. Can you stick it into a story somewhere?”

Because that’s what it sounded like David was suggesting.

Edit: This is great stuff. You two are delightful together.

Edit 2: Alistar is your favorite romance? :unsure:

Edit 3: Aveline is your favorite BioWare character? Image IPB

Edit 4: What characters did you create for DA 2 that you had to 'let go' of?

Modifié par Maria Caliban, 03 mai 2012 - 07:33 .


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Alistair is definately not like Captain Hammer in Dr.Horrible. Are there Similarities between Captain Hammer and Captain Reynolds from Firefly?

Modifié par cJohnOne, 03 mai 2012 - 10:03 .