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Was Loghain right in what he did?


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Dark83

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Ulicus wrote...

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Revik wrote...
How can you be literally wrong?  I suppose if he had the word WRONG painted on his armor that could suffice as being literally wrong.  Remember literally is not a word to express emphasis as you appear to be using it here.  Words like very, absolutely, completely, even 'soding' would suffice but not literally. 

He is literally wrong. The word is used correctly. Check the dictionary.

Not figurative or metaphorical. True to fact; not exaggerated; actual or factual. Being actually such, without exaggeration or inaccuracy.

You are literally ignorant of the definition of literal. :whistle:

How is Loghain actually and factually a word ascribed to a concept, rather than a bloke with the quality of "wrongness" from time to time? ;)

How is "He is actually wrong" and "He is factually wrong" an incorrect or invalid sentance? :huh:

The sentance "he is wrong" is using Wrong in the same way as in the statement "you are wrong".

Wrong: Not in accordance with what is morally right or good; deviating from truth or fact; erroneous; not correct in action, judgment, opinion, method.

Modifié par Dark83, 10 décembre 2009 - 06:36 .


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Aedan_Cousland

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Draconis6666 wrote...

the discussion on the number of Orlesian ttroops that were with the grey wardens and their ability to actually invade seems to be somewhat difficult when its hard to even get a standard answer from in game converstations between various people and even conversations with the same people. Riorden at one point mentions that they ahd several dozen divisions of cavalry. Which if we assume a division is similar to a modern day divsion and that several implies at least two you end up with at least 24 divisions and if you figure a divison is like 3-4 regiments and probably aroudn 15-16,000 that seems like a retarded number of chevaliers. So its hard to trust anything anyone says as far as the actual size of the Orleasian forces since no one gives you hard numbers and just uses cryptic unit type designations that aren't even the same in every conversation.


Loghain gives the number as four squadrons, which is a much smaller force. That would roughly be a regimental sized unit. Still we can't be sure exactly how many men that is, since the organization of Orlesian military units might differ slightly from real world examples.


If he was slaughtering all of his opposition in such a manner, then it is doubtful that the nobles would have agreed to come to the Landsmeet.  Inside of Denerim, I highly doubt that they would have had access to most their armies which would put them at his mercy.   If he really was as mad and power hungry as what has been claimed, he would have killed them all without a second thought as soon as they stepped into the hall.  He would not have taken the risk of them voting against him.

So, I am thinking that they reasonably believed that they were safe. 

 

The nobles in opposition to Loghain agree to the landsmeet because they don't have other options. The opposition believes the Blight to the primary threat to Ferelden, so it is in their best interests to resolve the Civil War as soon as possible. Also, the opposition would much rather resolve things in the landsmeet as Loghain is the most competent general in the conflict. When you ask the Dwarf merchant for rumors, he frequently talks of Loghain winning battles against rebel Banns. Of course the Civil War is by no means a one-sided conflict, but it seems whatever victories the rebels achieve must be against nobles loyal to Loghain, rather than against Loghain himself.

Finally, while Loghain may have been a sound battlefield tactician he apparently doesn't have much skill in politics. Most of he what he does he ends up doing in a completely ham-fisted way that often offends or alienates much of the nobility. It is a vote that could go either way, so the opposition isn't entering into the landsmeet expecting to to be routed.

Also, the landsmeet is an event that is no doubt is steeped in tradition. The opposition would think they were safe entering Denerim, because any hostile move by Loghain prior to the landsmeet would be seen as extremely dishonorable by both nobles and commoners, and even Loghain can't rule without consent of the people.  Of course if the landsmeet doesn't go their way execution or imprisonment is likely, but the same threat also hangs over the heads of Loghain and his supporters.

Modifié par Aedan_Cousland, 10 décembre 2009 - 06:51 .