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[Godeskian]

This may seem like a stupid question, but I've been crunching numbers over at the DA2 wiki, and I was wondering if they're correct.

Because I'd very much like to do an all rivalry playthrough where I have a maxed out rivalry with every companion (probably need Carver for that) but I can't seem to find enough quests to do it.

Has anyone done this? Is there a handy flowchart I've missed as to how?

Many thanks.

[SuicidalBaby]

not a flowchart as I understand it. Too many small conversation ques that will generate the rivalry.

Best to take your time while using the wiki as your conversation/decision guide prior to starting a quest or conversation.

[Dave of Canada]

I've done it repeatedly, it's probably my favorite route to go through. Hawke, the hero that everybody hates!

You also don't need Carver, you can get rivalry with Bethany provided you ignore a few of her conversations. Just need to tip her to the "red" scale as full rivalry doesn't change anything.

[keesio74]

I'm sure it is possible. Just make sure you have the right party members in your party for specific conversations. The trick is to try an max people out as quick as possible. Then once they get "locked in" then it doesn't matter anymore.

[Ophir147]

I personally wouldn't recommend it, especially if you can't stand having Isabela in your party. I've tried maxing out dat rivalry without actually having her in my party at least three times; in my recent play-through I just gave up and planned a few quests that I can use to really ****** her off.

she is however laughably easy to gain friendship points with without even leaving the hanged man; i've concluded that she to troll game mechanics as Anders is to troll plot twists

[Godeskian]

I'm playing as a rogue so I have no specific need for Isabela, but since I find her both entertaining, and she's my LI for this playthrough that isn't a problem.

Thanks for the advice, but I do agree that there is a LOT of metagaming that goes into an all rivalry game, not to mention the stupid amount of swapping out party members. It only gets easier once a few of them start maxing out and therefore don't need to be taken out of the party to avoid getting spare friendship points.

[Lamepro]

It also effects who will be fighting on your side when you do the Last Straw quest.

[BubbleDncr]

I haven't done it myself - the closest I've done is get everyone but Varric, Isabela, Fenris, and Sebastian to full rivalry. I didn't get Sebastian because I didn't use him enough - same with Varric, but he's also weighted to be on the friendship side. I think I was literally 10 points away from getting him at max rivalry though. If I had swapped around my party members more often, I could have gotten them both there, but I was playing as a rogue and didn't feel a need to have either of them in my party often.

Fenris I got to max friendship and Isabella, I would have probably gotten to max friendship, but I gave her to the Arishok....

So, I guess you can go pro-templar, be a jerk to everyone, and give Isabella to the Arishok and Fenris to the slave guy. Then everyone you have remaining would be rivals...

[CrabbyCrackers]

I have done it as a mage. I didn't like it however because all the planing was more work than fun. ( hate typing on this kindle fire)

[nightscrawl]

SuicidialBaby wrote...

not a flowchart as I understand it. Too many small conversation ques that will generate the rivalry.

Best to take your time while using the wiki as your conversation/decision guide prior to starting a quest or conversation.

This certainly. This also can involve switching out companions for accepting a quest, doing a quest, or turning in a quest for the most efficiency. It's very doable though, but you really need to use the DAwiki for planning everything, especially in Act 1 and the beginning of Act 2.

If you are falling behind with any companions, be sure to take them into the fade in Act 2 for a huge point increase.

Also, if you get everyone to MAX rivalry and complete all of their follower quests, you shouldn't have any issues with people abandoning you for the final fight, even Anders should you choose templars (sacrificing Sebastian, you can never have both here).

Modifié par nightscrawl, 02 mai 2012 - 10:58 .

[Silfren]

Godeskian wrote...

This may seem like a stupid question, but I've been crunching numbers over at the DA2 wiki, and I was wondering if they're correct.

Because I'd very much like to do an all rivalry playthrough where I have a maxed out rivalry with every companion (probably need Carver for that) but I can't seem to find enough quests to do it.

Has anyone done this? Is there a handy flowchart I've missed as to how?

Many thanks.

Well, you can force it easily enough via approval cheats on the console.  I've done it a time or two so that I could make the decisions I wanted without having to tailor my choices according to how I wanted various companions to react. 

[Silfren]

Lamepro wrote...

It also effects who will be fighting on your side when you do the Last Straw quest.

Not really.  Even fully rivaled characters can be made to support you.  I still find that odd, but there you go.  It's the NEUTRAL setting that can cause companions to walk away and not be persuaded to fight for you.

[Ryzaki]

Not really odd.

Full Rivalry means that they respect you and Vitriolic Best buds.

neutral means they're not really inclined to be on your side.

to get full rivalry you either have to cheat or bring that person around everywhere and do all their quests remember. That's a sign of friendship whether Hawke means it that way or no.

[SiIencE]

You'd have to plan the whole game, every quest etc who you take with you for what quest.
I only managed to get Sebastian full rivalry and it was a pain in the 4$$ had to reload quite alot of times and even 2/3 man some parts (to not screw up other things like personal quests). Getting everyone friendly ain't hard at all a gift with the right dialogue options get's you a really long way.

[Dwarva]

I've easily managed to get some to full rivalry (Sebastian, Anders and Merrill were seriously easy...) but doing all of them would be difficult. Mind you, my current character is an AngryHawke and if you choose the aggressive choices every single time you get quite a few rivalry points just from that. By about my third quest I don't think I'd got a single friendship point from anyone. xD

[Sarcastic Tasha]

I don't think rivalling everyone makes sense. Why would a Hawke rival both Merrill and Fenris for example? If your agreeing with the one you must be disagreeing with the other. I didn't really understand the friendship/rivalry system in my first playthrough, I thought it was like the approve and disapprove in DA:O so I tried to friend everyone (didn't work, Fenris ended up in the middle because I tried to fight against rivalling him). Now I just let friendships and rivalries come out naturally depending on Hawke's personality. If Hawke is a blood mage with a love for coin and a disregard for authority she's bound to end up friending Merrill, Isabela and Varric while rivalling the others. For that Hawke to rival Merrill, Isabela and Varric she'd have to do some quests out of character which would just bug the hell out of me.

[robertthebard]

Sarcastic Tasha wrote...

I don't think rivalling everyone makes sense. Why would a Hawke rival both Merrill and Fenris for example? If your agreeing with the one you must be disagreeing with the other. I didn't really understand the friendship/rivalry system in my first playthrough, I thought it was like the approve and disapprove in DA:O so I tried to friend everyone (didn't work, Fenris ended up in the middle because I tried to fight against rivalling him). Now I just let friendships and rivalries come out naturally depending on Hawke's personality. If Hawke is a blood mage with a love for coin and a disregard for authority she's bound to end up friending Merrill, Isabela and Varric while rivalling the others. For that Hawke to rival Merrill, Isabela and Varric she'd have to do some quests out of character which would just bug the hell out of me.

This is exactly the problem I'm running into trying to not do a full rivalry, but only certain ones, and it seems like the choices I make that would add rivalry either don't add anything, or get me all over the field with my current party, no matter who's in it.

[Ryzaki]

Sarcastic Tasha wrote...

I don't think rivalling everyone makes sense. Why would a Hawke rival both Merrill and Fenris for example? If your agreeing with the one you must be disagreeing with the other. I didn't really understand the friendship/rivalry system in my first playthrough, I thought it was like the approve and disapprove in DA:O so I tried to friend everyone (didn't work, Fenris ended up in the middle because I tried to fight against rivalling him). Now I just let friendships and rivalries come out naturally depending on Hawke's personality. If Hawke is a blood mage with a love for coin and a disregard for authority she's bound to end up friending Merrill, Isabela and Varric while rivalling the others. For that Hawke to rival Merrill, Isabela and Varric she'd have to do some quests out of character which would just bug the hell out of me.

Not if she throws mages under the bus to the templars. (Well my Hawke's even the bloodmage ones are always rivaling Merrill). Simply put playing with demons isn't safe. It's not even the bloodmagic that bothers him. It's the doing it in the middle of a alienage and not knowing if it's possible for the demon to get through.

[Sarcastic Tasha]

I can't criticise Merrill for making deals with demons (my Templar supporting Hawke could but it made me sad) I've been making deals with demons since Origins and nothing bad ever happens. Gave the cat demon the annoying kid in exchange for loot. Gave Connor to the naked demon in exchange for blood magic. Then in DA2 gave the half elf kid to the sloth demon in exchange for skill points. The moral of the story is don't offer your own soul to a demon, offer the soul of an annoying kid instead, something for Shepard to consider.

[Ryzaki]

LOL that's just mean. My mages don't deal with demons. Mostly because if they're going to have power it's going to be their power. Not the demons.

[Ihatebadgames]

Sarcastic Tasha wrote...

I can't criticise Merrill for making deals with demons (my Templar supporting Hawke could but it made me sad) I've been making deals with demons since Origins and nothing bad ever happens. Gave the cat demon the annoying kid in exchange for loot. Gave Connor to the naked demon in exchange for blood magic. Then in DA2 gave the half elf kid to the sloth demon in exchange for skill points. The moral of the story is don't offer your own soul to a demon, offer the soul of an annoying kid instead, something for Shepard to consider.

I don't think even a demon would want starkid.

[Ryzaki]

LMAO. 

Just...LMAO.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 10 juin 2012 - 05:13 .

[Sarcastic Tasha]

Ryzaki wrote...

LOL that's just mean. My mages don't deal with demons. Mostly because if they're going to have power it's going to be their power. Not the demons.

Yeah I pretty much exclusively play as a jerk in Dragon Age. I blame the murder knife for starting me down this path. Making the deal with the sloth demon in DA2 is worth it just for Anders' reaction. Rivalling Anders is so much fun.

Ihatebadgames wrote...

I don't think even a demon would want starkid.

Ha. I think your probably right there. Maybe Shep just needs to invest in a murder knife instead.