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[XOGHunter246]

I hate anora and was wondering if a male noble can be king alone without her? 

[David Gaider]

XOGHunter246 wrote...
I hate anora and was wondering if a male noble can be king alone without her? 

You can't be a King, period. What you are is a Prince, married to a Queen.

[XOGHunter246]

oh so i guess i'm going as a warden then thank you i don't want to marry her

Modifié par XOGHunter246, 07 décembre 2009 - 11:18 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

David Gaider wrote...

XOGHunter246 wrote...
I hate anora and was wondering if a male noble can be king alone without her? 

You can't be a King, period. What you are is a Prince, married to a Queen.

But but but, Anora crowned my guy King at the end....It even said so in the epilogue.

[houdinimachine]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

David Gaider wrote...

XOGHunter246 wrote...
I hate anora and was wondering if a male noble can be king alone without her? 

You can't be a King, period. What you are is a Prince, married to a Queen.

But but but, Anora crowned my guy King at the end....It even said so in the epilogue.

King Consort. If Anora were to die, there'd be even more of a fuss about you being allowed to keep the crown as when Cailan died and left it to her.

[KnightofPhoenix]

houdinimachine wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

David Gaider wrote...

XOGHunter246 wrote...
I hate anora and was wondering if a male noble can be king alone without her? 

You can't be a King, period. What you are is a Prince, married to a Queen.

But but but, Anora crowned my guy King at the end....It even said so in the epilogue.

King Consort. If Anora were to die, there'd be even more of a fuss about you being allowed to keep the crown as when Cailan died and left it to her.

I am confused. I remember her making my PC king consort before the finale battle. At the very end, after the battle, she said she would crown him king, as a repayment for what he did. Or maybe I am not remembering things correctly.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 07 décembre 2009 - 11:29 .

[tigrina]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...
I am confused. I remember her making my PC king consort before the finale battle. At the very end, after the battle, she said she would crown him king, as a repayment for what he did. Or maybe I am not remembering things correctly.

Which she wouldn't do if you don't marry her, I assume. So the point still stands.

[Fishy]

Why would you want to become a KING anyway?BEURK.
You're a Living legend anyway and everyone in the world will respect you much more than any stupid brats kid with pigtail on a throne that prob can't even kill a bug.

Me the savior of the world becoming the consort of such a brats who just want power?
Never.

i prefeer living in the dust city and cleaning the arse of Bhelen with my tongue.

i am a Grey Warden .. THE GREY WARDEN .. I don't need to play king .. I want to continue my adventure while kicking ass and chewing bubble gum.

Modifié par Suprez30, 07 décembre 2009 - 11:48 .

[Darth_Trethon]

David Gaider wrote...

XOGHunter246 wrote...
I hate anora and was wondering if a male noble can be king alone without her? 

You can't be a King, period. What you are is a Prince, married to a Queen.

Speaking of which.....the PC essentially takes Cailan's place and seems likely to be mostly a general over all the armed forces and a commander....but the ending wasn't clear as to exactly how good or bad this partnership worked out. The ending said that if they could work together without a power struggle they could lead Ferelden into a new age of prosperity like never before seen. But what actually happened? I think we deserve some answeres in that area. Did they get along? Didn't they? What?

[ellisDwilder]

LOL, deserve some answers..... the stories not over yet man!

[Darth_Trethon]

ellisDwilder wrote...

LOL, deserve some answers..... the stories not over yet man!

We won't see the PC of DAO in the next DA game.....that much is sure thing....and I doubt they'll make DLC that only pertains to one choice in one origin and nobody else can play. With that said they should just tell us what the fill-in story is.

Modifié par Darth_Trethon, 07 décembre 2009 - 11:56 .

[Ulyn]

The combination of relatively little formal power (as a non-regnant consort) and lots of effective power (hero of Fereldan, super-powered slayer of various and sundry) leaves a lot of open space for outcomes.



The more they nailed that down, the more people would've been dissatisfied, I imagine. You have to think the demographic of gamers who say "Wait, I want a coercion check to take over the country! Muahah!" aren't the ones likely to be happy with someone else's 3-sentence summary of their future reign. (My rogue will of course be doing this.)

[Darth_Trethon]

Ulyn wrote...

The combination of relatively little formal power (as a non-regnant consort) and lots of effective power (hero of Fereldan, super-powered slayer of various and sundry) leaves a lot of open space for outcomes.

The more they nailed that down, the more people would've been dissatisfied, I imagine. You have to think the demographic of gamers who say "Wait, I want a coercion check to take over the country! Muahah!" aren't the ones likely to be happy with someone else's 3-sentence summary of their future reign. (My rogue will of course be doing this.)

But you do have a lot of formal power. You are essentially the leader of the armed forces and the second most powerfull person in Ferelden. Laws and rules are nothing if they aren't enforced and that basically falls in your hands.

Personally I have no intention of tuning on Anora and I would do all I can to work with her although I wouldn't mind having the option to make my PC fully king.....as long as that transition wouldn't cause any fallout between the PC and Anora. Either way I doubt we'll see any DLC or book on this because too few of the DAO gamers would actually be able to play and or relate to the origin and choices involved. That's why I think we should get some answers at to what exactly happened afterwards.

[robertthebard]

Anora poisons you so that she doesn't have to share power.

[Darth_Trethon]

robertthebard wrote...

Anora poisons you so that she doesn't have to share power.

Don't be ridiculous.....she needs someone as capable as the PC to oversee the armed forces.....and the end game clarifies that much if you say you'll stick around....which is usually what I do....when I don't go chasing after Morrigan. I highly doubt she'd kill you....and it's questionable whether she could get away with it given that the PC is the grand savior and a gray warden too. She wouldn't be on the throne without the PC's influence and that influence and power didn't die with the archdemon either so the PC's unexplicable murder would greatly complicate things for her. With that said if the PC doesn't do something stupid I doubt she'd turn on or betray him.

[red8x]

After marrying her can't you call a Landsmeet and challenge Anora to a duel?



Anyway, the rules of ascension seem confusing to me. Apparently Anora, daughter of a freeman elevated to titled noble, marries the King and her title is Queen but not Princess Consort



If Alistair marries Anora his title is King but not Prince only because he is a royal bastard?



If you are a human noble female, and marry King Alistair, you are only Princess Consort but never Queen. Why? Particularly when the Cousland family seems to be more blue blooded than Anora's.

[Darth_Trethon]

red8x wrote...

After marrying her can't you call a Landsmeet and challenge Anora to a duel?

Anyway, the rules of ascension seem confusing to me. Apparently Anora, daughter of a freeman elevated to titled noble, marries the King and her title is Queen but not Princess Consort

If Alistair marries Anora his title is King but not Prince only because he is a royal bastard?

If you are a human noble female, and marry King Alistair, you are only Princess Consort but never Queen. Why? Particularly when the Cousland family seems to be more blue blooded than Anora's.

My take is that her high competence and the trust of the Noble families in her abilities as ruler are what make her the prime candidate. After all Ferelden is in deep deep trouble without competent leadership especially since they are weakened after the blight and the Orlesians might start getting strange ideas. The PC is great as a military leader but he/she is not exactly a politician that has dealt with that sort of stuff....well not in any other way than with a sword that is.

[Nighteye2]

David Gaider wrote...

XOGHunter246 wrote...
I hate anora and was wondering if a male noble can be king alone without her? 

You can't be a King, period. What you are is a Prince, married to a Queen.

Until you hire the crows to murder the Queen, so you can claim the throne for yourself while looking innocent...

[robertthebard]

Darth_Trethon wrote...

robertthebard wrote...

Anora poisons you so that she doesn't have to share power.

Don't be ridiculous.....she needs someone as capable as the PC to oversee the armed forces.....and the end game clarifies that much if you say you'll stick around....which is usually what I do....when I don't go chasing after Morrigan. I highly doubt she'd kill you....and it's questionable whether she could get away with it given that the PC is the grand savior and a gray warden too. She wouldn't be on the throne without the PC's influence and that influence and power didn't die with the archdemon either so the PC's unexplicable murder would greatly complicate things for her. With that said if the PC doesn't do something stupid I doubt she'd turn on or betray him.

Hey, people were asking for an ending, and I provided one.  I never said it was a good ending.

[Darth_Trethon]

Nighteye2 wrote...

David Gaider wrote...

XOGHunter246 wrote...
I hate anora and was wondering if a male noble can be king alone without her? 

You can't be a King, period. What you are is a Prince, married to a Queen.

Until you hire the crows to murder the Queen, so you can claim the throne for yourself while looking innocent...

While I can see that happening i cannot help but feel that is a very dumb thing to do......she is a highly competent ruler and killing her would deprive the PC of a great aid in ensuring that Ferelden's future is secured....there are plenty of other enemies left to deal with besides the darkspawn. Not to mention that it would greatly complicate things for the PC and may lose the trust of the nobles forcing his hand to be a figure with a title and no power or a tyrant....I wouldn't want either nor would I want to take Anora's power. I'd simply like for the PC to become fully king.

Modifié par Darth_Trethon, 08 décembre 2009 - 12:56 .

[David Gaider]

red8x wrote...
After marrying her can't you call a Landsmeet and challenge Anora to a duel?

Anyway, the rules of ascension seem confusing to me. Apparently Anora, daughter of a freeman elevated to titled noble, marries the King and her title is Queen but not Princess Consort

If Alistair marries Anora his title is King but not Prince only because he is a royal bastard?

If you are a human noble female, and marry King Alistair, you are only Princess Consort but never Queen. Why? Particularly when the Cousland family seems to be more blue blooded than Anora's.

Consider the case of Queen Elizabeth of the English throne. She is married to Philip -- but does that make him the King? No, it makes him the Prince-Consort as she is the ruling Queen. It's possible that your character may one day become a proper King or Queen, but as of the Landsmeet the distinction is clear.

[ChemicalGreen]

Well, there's certain amount of double standardism there, indeed one only needs to look at the British royalty to find evidence of it. Tradition places the wife of a King (regnant) as Queen, though technically it should be Queen-Consort or Princess-Consort. This is okay, since the queen's only real duty is to act as a breeing mare and pop out heirs. Things become muddier when in comes to Queen regnants though... Since tradition holds that the right to rule is god-given and passed down in blood, yet man's supposed to be superior to woman (during less enlightened times, anyways), so having a Queen regnant's husband a higher rank than her, who is of royal blood? That's when you get sidestepping about Prince-Consorts and what not. King Consort would be valid as well, I suppose, but since most people think King > Queen, Prince is what you get. Check out Queen Victoria's life for reference on some convoluted inheritance of throne.

[Vicious]

Not particularly clear to me. I'm guessing prince-consort has little real power. Vs Alistair as King who is able to give Elves a seat etc.


IMHO all things considered Dragon Age could have EASILY taken the Mass Effect route and in Shepard's place had you take control of Alistair. The guy is pivotal to the story on so many levels, and regardless of the Landsmeet's outcome, if he's in your party post-Landsmeet then he will use dialogue as if he was named King. Its pretty clear that's the way the game was intended to go.


That said the rules of ascension and succesion are strange to me too. Yes, Anora was Queen married to the King, but the King is very dead and she has zero noble blood in her. Her father's a hero, she is an excellent administrator. YOU are a Hero, your family descended from an ancient and noble bloodline. So I'm not sure why you don't get consideration.

See, if anything, having a Cousland alongside her makes her rule MORE legitimate. She is capable, which Fereldens love in their rulers, and the King-Consort is a right line descendent from one of the last terynyrs, so that takes care of any snobs thinking she has no right to it.

That said, none of this explains WTF happened at the epilogue. All I read was a big 'maybe' which imho is garbage. Unless DAO2 has the same PC, lets have some freakin closure.

Modifié par Vicious, 08 décembre 2009 - 02:13 .

[red8x]

David Gaider wrote...

red8x wrote...
After marrying her can't you call a Landsmeet and challenge Anora to a duel?

Anyway, the rules of ascension seem confusing to me. Apparently Anora, daughter of a freeman elevated to titled noble, marries the King and her title is Queen but not Princess Consort

If Alistair marries Anora his title is King but not Prince only because he is a royal bastard?

If you are a human noble female, and marry King Alistair, you are only Princess Consort but never Queen. Why? Particularly when the Cousland family seems to be more blue blooded than Anora's.

Consider the case of Queen Elizabeth of the English throne. She is married to Philip -- but does that make him the King? No, it makes him the Prince-Consort as she is the ruling Queen. It's possible that your character may one day become a proper King or Queen, but as of the Landsmeet the distinction is clear.

Thanks for the reply!

I am still confused though as to why Anora has the title of Queen and not Princess Consort given that she married into the royal family.  

[Edit: It's my understanding that she holds the title of Queen prior to the Landsmeet.  Therein lies my confusion.  I understand why she has the title of Queen after the Landsmeet since the duel settles all challenges to the throne.]

[Post Edit: In the grand scheme of things, it really doesn't matter.  It's just something silly to quibble about :D]

Modifié par red8x, 08 décembre 2009 - 02:17 .

[ChemicalGreen]

Read my post about the double standard about the title convention.



Chick can be queen (consort) because a wife, even a queen, had zip, zero, nada power. Husband's word was the law (So much so that killing your husband was equal to treason, as you had rebelled against your rightful ruler. Didn't work quite that way if you killed your wife. Yes, Henry VIII, I am looking at you.)



However, if you're Queen Regnant (means you're queen by blood, it's your throne), this can't be. That's why the spouses of Queen Regnant's are of lesser status than King. Since it's your throne, and you can't have anyone ruling over you.