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[David Gaider]

red8x wrote...
I am still confused though as to why Anora has the title of Queen and not Princess Consort given that she married into the royal family.  

[Edit: It's my understanding that she holds the title of Queen prior to the Landsmeet.  Therein lies my confusion.  I understand why she has the title of Queen after the Landsmeet since the duel settles all challenges to the throne.]

[Post Edit: In the grand scheme of things, it really doesn't matter.  It's just something silly to quibble about :D]

That has to do with the agreement made when she was married. To go back to Queen Elizabeth, she *could* have made Philip a King when she married him (or I presume she could) but it was decided that she would remain Queen-Regnant and he would not be a King in truth.

When Anora, daughter to a Teyrn and a living legend in Ferelden, married Cailan it was a marriage of equals. Anora is not a Theirin, true, but that was the arrangement made. Whether the player's marriage could eventually lead to them being declared a King/Queen, or controlling their spouse as a puppet or what have you, is part of whatever story lies in the future -- if and when it's told. To quote another source "THAT is another tale for another day."

[kevinwastaken]

If I were Ferelden nobility (and I am!) I would resent some upstart farmer's daughter having the throne. It is a pretty grievous insult to have a commoner wench on the throne. Wars of succession here we come!

[HarlequinDream]

kevinwastaken wrote...

If I were Ferelden nobility (and I am!) I would resent some upstart farmer's daughter having the throne. It is a pretty grievous insult to have a commoner wench on the throne. Wars of succession here we come!

Much easier to be a female noble and marry a man who has made it very clear that he wants you to lead!

[ThePasserby]

A question, albeit a slight digression, if your male noble PC romanced Leliana and is now at 100 (Love) with her, what happens to the relationship when you marry Anora? What does the epilogue say?

[EatinMcRib]

ThePasserby wrote...

A question, albeit a slight digression, if your male noble PC romanced Leliana and is now at 100 (Love) with her, what happens to the relationship when you marry Anora? What does the epilogue say?

I'd imagine it'd be somthing like

Anora = Job
Leliana = Hobby

[HarlequinDream]

EatinMcRib wrote...

ThePasserby wrote...

A question, albeit a slight digression, if your male noble PC romanced Leliana and is now at 100 (Love) with her, what happens to the relationship when you marry Anora? What does the epilogue say?

I'd imagine it'd be somthing like

Anora = Job
Leliana = Hobby

I know that's how it works with Zevran!

[EatinMcRib]

HarlequinDream wrote...

I know that's how it works with Zevran!

Sticking things into other people = Job
Sticking things into Warden = Hobby

[Darth_Trethon]

David Gaider wrote...

red8x wrote...
I am still confused though as to why Anora has the title of Queen and not Princess Consort given that she married into the royal family.  

[Edit: It's my understanding that she holds the title of Queen prior to the Landsmeet.  Therein lies my confusion.  I understand why she has the title of Queen after the Landsmeet since the duel settles all challenges to the throne.]

[Post Edit: In the grand scheme of things, it really doesn't matter.  It's just something silly to quibble about :D]

That has to do with the agreement made when she was married. To go back to Queen Elizabeth, she *could* have made Philip a King when she married him (or I presume she could) but it was decided that she would remain Queen-Regnant and he would not be a King in truth.

When Anora, daughter to a Teyrn and a living legend in Ferelden, married Cailan it was a marriage of equals. Anora is not a Theirin, true, but that was the arrangement made. Whether the player's marriage could eventually lead to them being declared a King/Queen, or controlling their spouse as a puppet or what have you, is part of whatever story lies in the future -- if and when it's told. To quote another source "THAT is another tale for another day."

I would love to see this implemented as an expansion or sequel or whatever but I am highly concerned because I believe you'll make additional content to fit all origins regardless and a lot of the choices are likely to be dumped and never again mentioned.....especially if this is a DLC/expansion which is all I believe it can be since a sequel won't likely have the same PC.

It sounds good in theory but how much attention are you willing to give each individual origin and choice set? My guess is not a whole lot because there are too many and you're likely striving to attend to them all. I'l, wait and see before being overly critical but I am not sure it wouldn't be better to simply provide us with a full fill in story about as long as a codex page rather than getting our hopes up just to be dissapointed when the content is released.

[zhouj]

My question is: why can't I discover Morrigan's paternal bloodline (probably Maric) and assert my power as an actual king?



It seems ridiculous that I can solo a High Dragon but not take the throne.

[asaiasai]

I am a Grey Warden why accept a position of lesser power like king or king consort? As a Grey Warden i answer to no one except other Grey Wardens, hell i make kings just ask Bhelin or Harowmont (which ever ass you planted on the throne). I make kings i don't become them. Also one fact that you should be aware of according to the lore Grey Wardens can not hold titles, so even if at the end you choose for a boon titles and lands they do not belong to you, they belong to Fergus and will be transferred to his heir, it is just for the family that you ask those things.



Asai

[Ulyn]

I hate to be pedantic as the analogy is entirely to the point, but it was Mary I, rather than her sister, that married Philip II; Elizabeth and Philip did both contemplate marrying after her death, but that obviously worked out pretty badly.  While Mary lived Philip was also quite "kingly" indeed, in formal terms; co-regnant King of England and King or (Or Lord, muddy on the pre-elizabethan setup) of Ireland, by Mary's own choice.

But of course that's the point; it was only even a fictional co-monarchy because of Mary's wanting it to be, and even then it fell down; making the point that English (and one assumes Fereldan) royal spouses aren't regnant unless there's some special reason.  (Philip and Mary in theory; William of Orange and Mary II in practice.  Prince Albert, one of the most notable of English consorts, did not reign or indeed run the royal household to begin with.)

Mary might be imagined as an anti-Anora trying to inflate a politically disadvantaged spouse/co-monarch; Philip's kingship of England is a sort of bizarre historical footnote.   Anora seems a lot less likely to take that approach, but but the circumstances are special.  She herself is a parvenu and queen by marriage, wheras you're long-established upper nobility with political allies, enormous clout, etc.  At least in the near term it seems like the ball is in your court politically.  

But the Fereldan nobility is a hungry bunch, particularly as Logain tells it, so as soon as the Darkspawn are on the run, the questions about this tainted-blood member of a quasi-foriegn secret society trying to usurp authority might suddenly be the hottest topics of conversation in the Gnarwed Noble.  Who knows.  Leaving it open ended in the epilogue is probably better than picking a needle out of that haystack of possibilities.

Modifié par Ulyn, 08 décembre 2009 - 06:03 .

[Lughsan35]

asaiasai wrote...

I am a Grey Warden why accept a position of lesser power like king or king consort? As a Grey Warden i answer to no one except other Grey Wardens, hell i make kings just ask Bhelin or Harowmont (which ever ass you planted on the throne). I make kings i don't become them. Also one fact that you should be aware of according to the lore Grey Wardens can not hold titles, so even if at the end you choose for a boon titles and lands they do not belong to you, they belong to Fergus and will be transferred to his heir, it is just for the family that you ask those things.

Asai

Um no.  There are options in the epilogue to " leave " the Wardens...

[Asante81]

zhouj wrote...

It seems ridiculous that I can solo a High Dragon but not take the throne.

rofl

Well, I'm a daughter of the second most important noble house in all of Ferelden, (after the Theirin's, says the codex), I almost single handedly defeated a blight, which is, if you think about it, a way more challenging thing than throwing out the Orlesians (I doubt the empress is as evil as an archdemon...), why am I less worth being called queen than the farmer's ****y daughter?
Especially when my husband doesn't like ruling anyway and prefers riding around the country, playing knight in shining armor for the peasants...
(yes, yes, I know the arguments... it's still a tiny bit weird that your noble character gets treated like a commoner marrying king/queen, regarding the title. It's not like he/she was a swineherder before...)

BTW: it's very interesting to read this and similar articles on internet: http://en.wikipedia....rincess_consort (there are quite a lot) and all have in common that it's way more common to call women marrying kings queen consort. Since the female noble PC definitely cannot count as "inappropriate", at least not from her family, it's a bit weird to have her called princess consort.
With kings it's a bit different, because the title king usually implies more power, that's why men marrying queen regnants are called prince consort... to show everyone they're inferior...

final note: my dwarven princess wants to marry Gorim, kick Harrowmont AND Bhelen in their nuts, claim the throne and live happily ever after!

(geez, I shouldn't start posting on forums at 7am...)

[Darth_Trethon]

asaiasai wrote...

I am a Grey Warden why accept a position of lesser power like king or king consort? As a Grey Warden i answer to no one except other Grey Wardens, hell i make kings just ask Bhelin or Harowmont (which ever ass you planted on the throne). I make kings i don't become them. Also one fact that you should be aware of according to the lore Grey Wardens can not hold titles, so even if at the end you choose for a boon titles and lands they do not belong to you, they belong to Fergus and will be transferred to his heir, it is just for the family that you ask those things.

Asai

Wrong game.....that's Mass Effect you're thinking about and they're called gray wardens spectres over there. Nonetheless the wardes are subject to local law and while they can get away with a lot they can be imprisoned. If you read the book The Calling you'll see a warden commander asking the king of ferelden to not imprison one of her wardens for having killed one guard. So no there is a huge difference between king/queen and warden and the warden does NOT have the authority to do as he/she wishes. After all the wardens have barely returned to Ferelden after a king exiled them 200 some-odd years before.

Modifié par Darth_Trethon, 08 décembre 2009 - 06:07 .

[Kepha]

Ulyn wrote...

I hate to be pedantic as the analogy is entirely to the point, but it was Mary I, rather than her sister, that married Philip II; Elizabeth and Philip did both contemplate marrying after her death, but that obviously worked out pretty badly.  While Mary lived Philip was also quite "kingly" indeed, in formal terms; co-regnant King of England and King or (Or Lord, muddy on the pre-elizabethan setup) of Ireland, by Mary's own choice.

I think the Elizabeth and Philip people are refering to in this thread is the Current Queen and her Prince Consort.

[SpectreNihlus]

honestly i think you are more of a legend than Loghain ever was



he may have secured Fereldan from Orleais but you saved Ferelden from a blight even though everyone else was concerned about other crap



if anything you are greater than queen prissy

[nuculerman]

Suprez30 wrote...

Why would you want to become a KING anyway?BEURK.
You're a Living legend anyway and everyone in the world will respect you much more than any stupid brats kid with pigtail on a throne that prob can't even kill a bug.

Me the savior of the world becoming the consort of such a brats who just want power?
Never.

i prefeer living in the dust city and cleaning the arse of Bhelen with my tongue.

i am a Grey Warden .. THE GREY WARDEN .. I don't need to play king .. I want to continue my adventure while kicking ass and chewing bubble gum.

Ditto.  And I always run out of bubble gum.  Pity.

Personally I like to put Allistair on the throne since he's a moron and would do whatever I told him to do if I didn't harden him, which I never do.  Then I'm king in everything but name and not restricted to worrying about public images or some such nonsense.

Especially as a dwarf noble.  All I ever wanted out of life was to lead armies.  Why Bhelan felt so threatened by me I'll never understand.  He could have just asked.  I would have killed Trian for him and taken control of the Legion of the Dead and the rest of the Dwarven armies and brought glory to King Bhelan.  

[Galad22]

David Gaider wrote...

red8x wrote...
I am still confused though as to why Anora has the title of Queen and not Princess Consort given that she married into the royal family.  

[Edit: It's my understanding that she holds the title of Queen prior to the Landsmeet.  Therein lies my confusion.  I understand why she has the title of Queen after the Landsmeet since the duel settles all challenges to the throne.]

[Post Edit: In the grand scheme of things, it really doesn't matter.  It's just something silly to quibble about :D]

That has to do with the agreement made when she was married. To go back to Queen Elizabeth, she *could* have made Philip a King when she married him (or I presume she could) but it was decided that she would remain Queen-Regnant and he would not be a King in truth.

When Anora, daughter to a Teyrn and a living legend in Ferelden, married Cailan it was a marriage of equals. Anora is not a Theirin, true, but that was the arrangement made. Whether the player's marriage could eventually lead to them being declared a King/Queen, or controlling their spouse as a puppet or what have you, is part of whatever story lies in the future -- if and when it's told. To quote another source "THAT is another tale for another day."

We are the living legend of Ferelden and heir of a most important noble house of ferelden, Anora is just a daughter of a commoner and traitor and former kings widow, I would call it marriage of equals. However I can still somehow accept this.

But how about Alistair+Pc, Alistair more or less wants our Pc to rule, this is at least a marriage of equals and marriage of love even. Alistair even says in coronation that we are going to be future queen of ferelden, which to me means after marriage. Yet epilogue speaks of princess consort yet again. So why is that?

Modifié par Galad22, 08 décembre 2009 - 09:44 .

[Darth_Trethon]

^^^ Yea Anora also clearly says the PC will be "King" without any consort mention to it in the final speech where she recognizes the PC for having defeated the blight. This is all wordplay really and the meaning of their roles will be quite different I imagine. She wouldn't be on the throne without him and he is sure to single handedly control the armed forces and add to that his titles(Hero of Ferelden and Gray Warden) and you realize he sure holds a lot more real power than a mere Prince-Consort....likely more real power than Anora herself. Yet technically she is the sole ruler.



There's bound to be some sparks there and I simply hope that they don't have a fallout. Then I also hope BioWare doesn't just forget and discard the notion of developing this story even though it's specific to an origin and a choice set or two.

[Cyberpunk]

David Gaider wrote...

That has to do with the agreement made when she was married. To go back to Queen Elizabeth, she *could* have made Philip a King when she married him (or I presume she could) but it was decided that she would remain Queen-Regnant and he would not be a King in truth.

When Anora, daughter to a Teyrn and a living legend in Ferelden, married Cailan it was a marriage of equals. Anora is not a Theirin, true, but that was the arrangement made. Whether the player's marriage could eventually lead to them being declared a King/Queen, or controlling their spouse as a puppet or what have you, is part of whatever story lies in the future -- if and when it's told. To quote another source "THAT is another tale for another day."

My King-Consort Aedan Cousland has Zevran and Leliana by him. Queen Anora's days after the wedding are going to be very short indeed. Also Redcliffe + Highever of course supports him.  Am I correct in assuming that there is no royal army for Anora to call on since Cailan and Loghain's troops were all massacred by the darkspawn or by the Player Character?

[Darth_Trethon]

kooaznboi1088 wrote...

My King-Consort Aedan Cousland has Zevran and Leliana by him. Queen Anora's days after the wedding are going to be very short indeed. Also Redcliffe + Highever of course supports him.  Am I correct in assuming that there is no royal army for Anora to call on since Cailan and Loghain's troops were all massacred by the darkspawn or by the Player Character?

Highever is nothing but a piece of land....all the troups are dead...so that only leaves one person really...the PC's brother. As for Redcliffe you'd be a fool to think they'd support you after murdering the queen in a greedy powergrab. You don't have much of an army either beyond Redcliffe who are unlikely to support you after murdering the queen, the dalish are likely gone, the dwarves are not liekly to care and will tell you to deal with your own plitical squabbles and the mages are not likely to jump at your command either if you turn power hungry. Don't think that Redcliffe won't investigate and know how the queen died either.

[Cyberpunk]

So I guess Arl Eamon is suddenly for Anora then? /sarcasm.



*Anti Troll Spray*

[Darth_Trethon]

kooaznboi1088 wrote...

So I guess Arl Eamon is suddenly for Anora then? /sarcasm.

*Anti Troll Spray*

He's anti power-hungry rulers that would murder anyone in their way. That becomes you the moment she is dead. Do you honestly expect their support after something like that? Ferelden has continuously resisted tyrants and power-hungry rulers for centureies. They excell at that.

[menasure]

it is kind of disappointing for me that some sort of permanent official acknowledgement as official ruler is not possible in many of the settings because king>grey warden in my perception but the dwarven plots are more rewarding if you think about it because although it is not explicitly mentioned but you practically acknowledge yourself amongst them as a paragon and while there will always be a king only a few paragons are born amongst the generations and you can really make it very clear that YOU are the one with the power to decide who gets to be king, even when you come from a casteless background -which in dwarven society means as much as that you do not even officially exist- well you showed them alright and there is also a nice prospect for your family.

Modifié par menasure, 08 décembre 2009 - 11:08 .

[Xandurpein]

If you romance Leliana and then get betrothed to Anora, next time you talk to Leliana she says "I heard about you and Anora. Do you love her?" and no matter what you choose to say she wants you to do the right thing and be a good husband, so the romance is over.

This may be sheer self-preservation on her part though. I don't imagine the daughter of the Hero from the Battle of River Dane, would have many scruples if she found an Orlesian female had designs on her husband.