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[Darth_Trethon]

Xandurpein wrote...

If you romance Leliana and then get betrothed to Anora, next time you talk to Leliana she says "I heard about you and Anora. Do you love her?" and no matter what you choose to say she wants you to do the right thing and be a good husband, so the romance is over.

This may be sheer self-preservation on her part though. I don't imagine the daughter of the Hero from the Battle of River Dane, would have many scruples if she found an Orlesian female had designs on her husband.

Not just an Orlesian woman but an Orlesian high level spy.....or former spy though I doubt Anora is likely to believe that "former" bit.

[Elanareon]

Hurry up with the next game!!!

[Xandurpein]

Darth_Trethon wrote...

Xandurpein wrote...

If you romance Leliana and then get betrothed to Anora, next time you talk to Leliana she says "I heard about you and Anora. Do you love her?" and no matter what you choose to say she wants you to do the right thing and be a good husband, so the romance is over.

This may be sheer self-preservation on her part though. I don't imagine the daughter of the Hero from the Battle of River Dane, would have many scruples if she found an Orlesian female had designs on her husband.

Not just an Orlesian woman but an Orlesian high level spy.....or former spy though I doubt Anora is likely to believe that "former" bit.

Hmm... you are correct. If she found out I was cheating on her with an Orlesian spy, I would probably die too.

[Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien]

kooaznboi1088 wrote...
My King-Consort Aedan Cousland has Zevran and Leliana by him. Queen Anora's days after the wedding are going to be very short indeed. Also Redcliffe + Highever of course supports him.  Am I correct in assuming that there is no royal army for Anora to call on since Cailan and Loghain's troops were all massacred by the darkspawn or by the Player Character?

Clearly you ain't thought this through have you?

I think Redcliffes army probably got fairly decimated, what with the incidents in Redcliffe and then the final battle. Then there are all the other places in Ferelden, sure they may have had your back in the Landsmeet, but committing regicide?

You'd be lucky if your character survived the next few years let alone the next 29.

Nope, if you are going to do something like that it needs time and and proper planning, need to wait until you are properly crowned King and then you need to ensure you or anyone connected to you is far away from the scene of crime when it happens.

I wouldn't hire the antivan crows because if they are all like Zevran and Taliesin they'll probably botch it up

Actually if you wanted to be really fanatical and take some more land, you could always hire someone to hire some orlesian bards to assassinate Anora, then after taking care of the people whom hired them, accuse Orlais of sending the bards and declare it as an act of war.

Looking forward to playing my human noble rogue whom I intend to spare Loghain and marry Anora (far as the rogue believes, he thinks that Howe corrupted Loghain). Can't wait to see what choices there is, both for the player and Loghain.

You don't have to be King/Queen to have power, if you are a manipulative genius you wouldn't even need to be their general, but it probably would help

[Cyberpunk]

Xandurpein wrote...

If you romance Leliana and then get betrothed to Anora, next time you talk to Leliana she says "I heard about you and Anora. Do you love her?" and no matter what you choose to say she wants you to do the right thing and be a good husband, so the romance is over.

This may be sheer self-preservation on her part though. I don't imagine the daughter of the Hero from the Battle of River Dane, would have many scruples if she found an Orlesian female had designs on her husband.

If you harden her and don't talk to her until the coronation, then she will agree to stay when you tell her that the relationship does not have to end.

So yeah, a high level bard at your side

[Cyberpunk]

Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien wrote...

kooaznboi1088 wrote...
My King-Consort Aedan Cousland has Zevran and Leliana by him. Queen Anora's days after the wedding are going to be very short indeed. Also Redcliffe + Highever of course supports him.  Am I correct in assuming that there is no royal army for Anora to call on since Cailan and Loghain's troops were all massacred by the darkspawn or by the Player Character?

Clearly you ain't thought this through have you?

I think Redcliffes army probably got fairly decimated, what with the incidents in Redcliffe and then the final battle. Then there are all the other places in Ferelden, sure they may have had your back in the Landsmeet, but committing regicide?

You'd be lucky if your character survived the next few years let alone the next 29.

Nope, if you are going to do something like that it needs time and and proper planning, need to wait until you are properly crowned King and then you need to ensure you or anyone connected to you is far away from the scene of crime when it happens.

I wouldn't hire the antivan crows because if they are all like Zevran and Taliesin they'll probably botch it up

Actually if you wanted to be really fanatical and take some more land, you could always hire someone to hire some orlesian bards to assassinate Anora, then after taking care of the people whom hired them, accuse Orlais of sending the bards and declare it as an act of war.

Looking forward to playing my human noble rogue whom I intend to spare Loghain and marry Anora (far as the rogue believes, he thinks that Howe corrupted Loghain). Can't wait to see what choices there is, both for the player and Loghain.

You don't have to be King/Queen to have power, if you are a manipulative genius you wouldn't even need to be their general, but it probably would help

I don't think I will commit regicide. Anora is just going to fall sick...very sick. And I don't think Redcliffe's army was that decimated. Actually Denerim's army was decimated. I don't know the game doesnt say very much. So yeah, I won't argue the point.

[Darth_Trethon]

kooaznboi1088 wrote...

Xandurpein wrote...

If you romance Leliana and then get betrothed to Anora, next time you talk to Leliana she says "I heard about you and Anora. Do you love her?" and no matter what you choose to say she wants you to do the right thing and be a good husband, so the romance is over.

This may be sheer self-preservation on her part though. I don't imagine the daughter of the Hero from the Battle of River Dane, would have many scruples if she found an Orlesian female had designs on her husband.

If you harden her and don't talk to her until the coronation, then she will agree to stay when you tell her that the relationship does not have to end.

So yeah, a high level bard at your side

Conspiring with an orlesian spy now....my but eamon and the rest of ferelden are sure to love you for that. Apart form having enslaved and slaughtered the people of ferelden for a century I'm sure they just love the idea of having their hero conspire with an orlesian spy to murder the queen and take power.

[Xandurpein]

kooaznboi1088 wrote...

Xandurpein wrote...

If you romance Leliana and then get betrothed to Anora, next time you talk to Leliana she says "I heard about you and Anora. Do you love her?" and no matter what you choose to say she wants you to do the right thing and be a good husband, so the romance is over.

This may be sheer self-preservation on her part though. I don't imagine the daughter of the Hero from the Battle of River Dane, would have many scruples if she found an Orlesian female had designs on her husband.

If you harden her and don't talk to her until the coronation, then she will agree to stay when you tell her that the relationship does not have to end.

So yeah, a high level bard at your side

Hmm... didn't know that. Although I guess that is not for me. Leliana is sweet, but she's not worth it. I shudder at the thought of what happens if Anora ever finds me in bed with an Orlesian spy.

Modifié par Xandurpein, 08 décembre 2009 - 11:56 .

[Cyberpunk]

Xandurpein wrote...

kooaznboi1088 wrote...

Xandurpein wrote...

If you romance Leliana and then get betrothed to Anora, next time you talk to Leliana she says "I heard about you and Anora. Do you love her?" and no matter what you choose to say she wants you to do the right thing and be a good husband, so the romance is over.

This may be sheer self-preservation on her part though. I don't imagine the daughter of the Hero from the Battle of River Dane, would have many scruples if she found an Orlesian female had designs on her husband.

If you harden her and don't talk to her until the coronation, then she will agree to stay when you tell her that the relationship does not have to end.

So yeah, a high level bard at your side

Hmm... didn't know that. Although I guess that is not for me. Leliana is sweet, but she's not worth it. I shudder at the thought of what happens if Anora ever finds me in bed with an Orlesian spy.

I feel sorry for Anora then. Leliana is way more competent then she lets on:whistle:

[ChickenDownUnder]

Darth_Trethon wrote...

red8x wrote...

After marrying her can't you call a Landsmeet and challenge Anora to a duel?

Anyway, the rules of ascension seem confusing to me. Apparently Anora, daughter of a freeman elevated to titled noble, marries the King and her title is Queen but not Princess Consort

If Alistair marries Anora his title is King but not Prince only because he is a royal bastard?

If you are a human noble female, and marry King Alistair, you are only Princess Consort but never Queen. Why? Particularly when the Cousland family seems to be more blue blooded than Anora's.

My take is that her high competence and the trust of the Noble families in her abilities as ruler are what make her the prime candidate. After all Ferelden is in deep deep trouble without competent leadership especially since they are weakened after the blight and the Orlesians might start getting strange ideas. The PC is great as a military leader but he/she is not exactly a politician that has dealt with that sort of stuff....well not in any other way than with a sword that is.

According to the game ending of if you let Anora rule alone and become her #1 Advisor, you turn out to be very good at politicing and proclaimed the true power behind the throne. So no, I don't think it has anything to do with being bad at politics.

Modifié par ChickenDownUnder, 08 décembre 2009 - 12:39 .

[XOGHunter246]

they should of made it possible for a male noble to rule alone as Alistair never wanted the position

[Galad22]

You shouldn't be even able to become prince-consort as a male noble really. I mean come on Anora have known you like a day and she agree to marry you, sure it is as a convenience sake, but still.



Yet alone rule as a king alone.



Makes absolutely no sense, you have absolutely no claim for the throne at all and no one would ever agree to it.

[HarlequinDream]

Anora is a politician, Galad. Her throne's been challenged, and the Gray Warden is the person who can choose the ruler. Add to that that the Gray Warden is the son (at this point, possibly the only surviving son) of a noble family and can, if she doesn't consent, put her husband's half-brother on the throne...



I can see why Anora would agree to marry you when faced with those odds.

[XOGHunter246]

after everything i have done saving all those innocent i deserve to be king without me they would of been all doomed. Not to mention i also help some of people involved in landsmeet and i was responsible for killing archdemon if anora was such a good queen she would of got her butt out there like Alistair did shes wearing armor for show.

[HarlequinDream]

XOGHunter246 wrote...

after everything i have done saving all those innocent i deserve to be king without me they would of been all doomed. Not to mention i also help some of people involved in landsmeet and i was responsible for killing archdemon if anora was such a good queen she would of got her butt out there like Alistair did shes wearing armor for show.

Anora is a politician, not a soldier.

Also given that you have no ties to the throne, why would the Landsmeet name someone king who cannot claim any right to it other than "I've been fighting for the country"? Then every general in every army would challenge you for your position on the same grounds.

Add to that, the archdemon isn't killed until after the monarch is chosen, so you can't claim credit for that at the Landsmeet.

[Galad22]

HarlequinDream wrote...

Anora is a politician, Galad. Her throne's been challenged, and the Gray Warden is the person who can choose the ruler. Add to that that the Gray Warden is the son (at this point, possibly the only surviving son) of a noble family and can, if she doesn't consent, put her husband's half-brother on the throne...

I can see why Anora would agree to marry you when faced with those odds.

Your reasoning is sound sure, however she only agree to that if you are noble so those reasons don't seem to matter all that much.

I am more annoyed at people who want to be king alone, really.

XOGhunter: You have no claim for the throne, it doesn't matter how much of a hero you are. People wouldn't accept you for the throne, unless of course you butchered every one else with a claim on it. In which case do you really think people would want you as a ruler anymore?

[XOGHunter246]

Ok you have good point the archdemon part was bit stupid I was just saying I personally think i deserve to be after all i have done. I guess life a **** meh.

[XOGHunter246]

love how the queen is trusted too a daughter of the man who betrayed everyone and killed people.

[HarlequinDream]

Not to mention that your character would know he only had 30 years at the most left to live.



Sure, it's a decent while, but it's smarter to avoid conflict for the throne and then have your son poised to be proper king of Ferelden once you go off to die.

[XOGHunter246]

so i guess Alistair can live longer even though he drank the blood too don't get the living part you said i know i has like that time but Alistair is somehow immue to this??

[XOGHunter246]

XOGHunter246 wrote...

so i guess Alistair can live longer even though he drank the blood too don't get the living part you said i know i has like that time but Alistair is somehow immune to this??

[HarlequinDream]

No, Alistair's not immune. That's why putting him alone on the throne is just as irresponsible as putting a tainted male noble on the throne alone.

[The Angry One]

David Gaider wrote...

XOGHunter246 wrote...
I hate anora and was wondering if a male noble can be king alone without her? 

You can't be a King, period. What you are is a Prince, married to a Queen.

Do explain to me how a daughter of a commoner who is Queen by marriage to a dead man has more of a claim to the throne than a Cousland.
That isn't sarcasm, I really want to know.

[Galad22]

HarlequinDream wrote...

No, Alistair's not immune. That's why putting him alone on the throne is just as irresponsible as putting a tainted male noble on the throne alone.

I imagine Alistair can find a queen for himself. He is not that useless. :innocent:

Angry one: He did on the second page, it is not good explanation in my opinion at least but he did.

Modifié par Galad22, 08 décembre 2009 - 07:04 .

[HarlequinDream]

The Angry One wrote...

David Gaider wrote...

XOGHunter246 wrote...
I hate anora and was wondering if a male noble can be king alone without her? 

You can't be a King, period. What you are is a Prince, married to a Queen.

Do explain to me how a daughter of a commoner who is Queen by marriage to a dead man has more of a claim to the throne than a Cousland.
That isn't sarcasm, I really want to know.

I believe he did explain.

Pretty much, when the marriage takes place, the ruling party decides how much power to give their spouce.

Cailin chose to make Anora queen, to treat her as an equal. It's perogative, then, to tell you just how much power you have. She chooses to keep you in a position lower than herself.