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[RavenEchoseven]

So why can't a turian and human produce offspring? They all have the same green colored DNA now don't they?

[Cecilia L]

Cecilia L wrote...

I agree that if hybridization would work, there could potentially be a lot a scary results, but this is a story and in any good work of fiction, not random but interesting things will happen. That could be either the full blown tragedy of a blind monstrosity with no arms OR a beautiful, perfect little bundle of cuteness.

As this whole thing about Shepard even getting to have any babies at all is about a happy ending - the best possible ending, I think the result would be the latter. Also, Shepard is too high level to have anything but perfect, healthy children.

I'm going to bed now, too tired to be the crazy defender of hybrids any more for today. See you all in the morning!

Just posting this again for its relevance to the current discussion. Be nice!

Modifié par Cecilia L, 02 mai 2012 - 12:15 .

[CmnDwnWrkn]

Cecilia L wrote...

Cecilia L wrote...

I agree that if hybridization would work, there could potentially be a lot a scary results, but this is a story and in any good work of fiction, not random but interesting things will happen. That could be either the full blown tragedy of a blind monstrosity with no arms OR a beautiful, perfect little bundle of cuteness.

As this whole thing about Shepard even getting to have any babies at all is about a happy ending - the best possible ending, I think the result would be the latter. Also, Shepard is too high level to have anything but perfect, healthy children.

I'm going to bed now, too tired to be the crazy defender of hybrids any more today. See you all in the morning!

Just posting this again for its relevance to the current discussion. Be nice!

Good night!  I hope your dreams are filled with many a hybrid! <3

[fle6isnow]

CmnDwnWrkn wrote...

Cainora wrote...

*unfortunate snippage of cute pic*

Don't think this has been posted yet...if so well not much to do about it.

Whoever made this deserves a lifetime supply of whatever they want.

I like the one posted earlier, with ALL THE BABIES.

[Cainora]

fle6isnow wrote...

CmnDwnWrkn wrote...

Cainora wrote...

*unfortunate snippage of cute pic*

Don't think this has been posted yet...if so well not much to do about it.

Whoever made this deserves a lifetime supply of whatever they want.

I like the one posted earlier, with ALL THE BABIES.

You have no Salarian baby or Quarian baby therefore you do NOT have all the babies, try again.

[fle6isnow]

Cainora wrote...

You have no Salarian baby or Quarian baby therefore you do NOT have all the babies, try again.

Oh, you're right! Someone more artistically adept than I should add a quarian and salarian baby to the mix.

[ThatDancingTurian]

Cainora wrote...

You have no Salarian baby or Quarian baby therefore you do NOT have all the babies, try again.

Obviously the quarian is still in the bubble stage, so the salarian is back at home babysitting since he matured the fastest of the kids.

Modifié par Aris Ravenstar, 02 mai 2012 - 12:28 .

[Cainora]

Aris Ravenstar wrote...

Cainora wrote...

You have no Salarian baby or Quarian baby therefore you do NOT have all the babies, try again.

Obviously the quarian is still in the bubble stage, so the salarian is back at home babysitting since he matured the fastest of the kids.

Of course, silly me, that brought me so much clarity and clousre on that issue. Thank you.
To bad for the Salarian though, suck being at home.....sucks.

[fle6isnow]

Cainora wrote...

Aris Ravenstar wrote...

Cainora wrote...

You have no Salarian baby or Quarian baby therefore you do NOT have all the babies, try again.

Obviously the quarian is still in the bubble stage, so the salarian is back at home babysitting since he matured the fastest of the kids.

Of course, silly me, that brought me so much clarity and clousre on that issue. Thank you.
To bad for the Salarian though, suck being at home.....sucks.

Oh dear, I can imagine the little salarian brat already...

Mordin Shepard-Vakarian: would have liked to run tests on the seashells. Will run tests on sibling instead.

[EnvyTB075]

CmnDwnWrkn wrote...

Every time I see Garrus with a female Shep, I think "Beasti-"....not sure if I can write out that word so I'll just leave it at that.  Basically, it's like watching a human with a rhinocerous.

Garrus isn't an animal. I guess this is how outfits like Cerberus start out.

Modifié par EnvyTB075, 02 mai 2012 - 02:13 .

[afterimagesof]

With a few centuries of human scientific advancement, and the combined genetic tinkering knowledge of so many species, it seems like creating a hybrid embryo would be possible, but its gestation would be a bigger problem unless it's entirely tank grown. Just being an Rh negative blood type mother with an Rh positive blood type fetus can cause stillbirth or extremely sickly offspring. I can't imagine the immuniosuppressants femShep would have to be on to carry a halfbreed to term. You could chalk it all up to Cerberus's Reapertech tinkering, space magic, or something else along those lines, but I find those to be somewhat lacking in any fics I've read.

I'm the artist of the sketch of Garrus holding the squishy human baby from earlier in the thread, as well as this one:

http://ghostfire.dev...rsion-296353445

I know there are at least half a dozen "what would X alien character look like if they were human" pictures floating around. Now imagine that, instead of an artist sitting in front of photoshop, there's a salarian geneticist sitting in front of a terminal. He plugs in DNA samples, runs a few proprietary algorithms, and there's your alien self displayed on screen. A few more steps, and what you could call a DNA printer produces species appropriate gametes. The DNA printer barely seems like super science now.

Maybe it's a little clinical, but it's allowed me to find a very happy headspace for my Shepard/Garrus pair. Any children Shepard carried would be human, and they'd have to use a surrogate for turian babies, but it allows for scenes of a very flustered Garrus doting over pregnant (and very much trying to remind him that she took down Saren and Cerberus and the Reapers and she is just fine thank you very much) Shepard, as well as Vakarian senior getting a new, slightly smaller stick up his ass when he is faced with Garrus standing at Shepard's side as she holds his definitively turian grandson.

About the biological kids versus adopting:
This seems like a choice each Shepard/Garrus pair would make for themselves. My own Shepard was a colonist - once upon a time she had loving parents and lots of little siblings. Once Garrus opened that "maybe we should have a family" Pandora's box, it was just not going to close again. The exact turian-human baby quote I very much put to Garrus's sense of humor - he wouldn't have brought it up if it wasn't on his mind, but no matter how you responded, even if you said no, it put a little smile on Shepard's face. Of course a turian-human baby wouldn't just happen, but (further imagining his wolfish grin) you could try very enthusiastically.

While there will definitely be some war orphans, both humans and turians experienced massive population losses, and if saving the galaxy doesn't entitle you to whatever flavor happy ending you choose, I don't know what does. Anyway, these two camps shouldn't be fighting.

On turian reproduction:
Since Bioware hasn't shown us female turians or even shirtless male turians yet, I have to rely on sheer speculation. I did this concept art about two years ago:
ghostfire.deviantart.com/art/ME-Nude-Turian-Concepts-160879414
While it's definitive that they're viviparous, I imagine their babies are born earlier and smaller than humans (and every fic I've read that mentions this seems to agree). If porcupines and armadillos can give birth, I think turians can manage it (and even femshep, if you're leaning that way). A combination of underdeveloped crest and cowl, all soon to be hard plates still being somewhat flexible, and (my own thought, that I haven't seen anyone else play with yet) being born in an intact, tougher than human amniotic sac, similar to how human babies are occasionally born "in the caul", would all allow for female turians to give birth, but still have the males structurally similar enough to humans for femShep and Garrus to comfortably get it on.

All this being said, I'm only an amateur xenobiologist. I hope I haven't scared people away with my wall o' text.

Modifié par afterimagesof, 02 mai 2012 - 03:22 .

[fle6isnow]

Ooh awesome, Julia! I love your art, especially the Garrus and baby one. It's just so... so... *squeeees*

And yeah, since cloning tech is widespread in the ME universe, your scenario is pretty likely.

[A0170]

Is it just me or do,

baby Turians,


and

baby krogan,


remind you of Pokemon?

[Kaelef]

A0170 wrote...

Okay, chewing on the strap is pretty damned adorable...

[A0170]

Kaelef wrote...

A0170 wrote...

Okay, chewing on the strap is pretty damned adorable...

Yep, I'd imagine baby Krogan would chew on a lot of stuff actually 

[Pyn]

morphthing says:







They revived Shepard, llikely with Reapertech, so hybrids are possible in my book. Sure, to start some might need a lab...
And if anyone's going to bring up the Levo/Dextro amino acids differences, see here http://creationsafar...om/epoi_c03.htm scroll down to section 68.

Left- and Right-Handed Amino Acids Can Be Linked

Are the two forms of the amino acids shaped so that any of them can unite, whether they are L- or D- in type? The answer is yes. Whether left- or right-handed, any amino acid can be linked with any other of either hand. There seem to be no exceptions.
Pauling wrote (1964) : “We have no strong reason to believe that molecules resembling proteins could not be built up of equal numbers of right-handed and left-handed amino acid molecules.”35 Since that was written, this has actually been done on numerous occasions in many laboratories, resulting in a voluminous literature in the scientific journals.
While it is true that opposites can be linked in the laboratory, what about that question if we consider the conditions that evolution assumes to have been existing before life began? Dr. Sidney W. Fox, of the University of Miami has done experiments which involve this. Some years back, Dr. Fox heated all the common amino acids at 200o C temperature under certain conditions and obtained chains containing all the amino acids. When asked if both left- and right-handed amino acids were included in the same chain, he replied that he was almost 100 percent certain that they were, but that there was no way to tell absolutely at the time. Temperatures of 170o C and above were typically used in such experiments.

Modifié par Pyn, 02 mai 2012 - 04:30 .

[ardensia]

 Regardless of what my femShep wants, I want a spiky-headed turian baby. It would be awesome. I can see it now...

Me: Finish your dinner.
Turian Child: But I want ice cream!
Me: You can have ice cream after you finish your dinner.
TC: But I don't want that ice cream.
Me: Really? What ice cream do you want?
TC: I want your ice cream.
Me: You can't have my ice cream.
TC: But I want it!
Me: My ice cream is poisonous to you, just like your ice cream is poisonous to me. You can't have my ice cream.
TC: BUT I WANT IT!
Me: Stop whining or you won't get any ice cream.
TC: I just want to try it....
Me: No.

How does one feed a baby turian, anyway? Am I going to have to put all its food in a blender mixed with synthetic turian digestive juices? I imagine it would be hard to bottle-feed something that lacks cheeks....

[Cecilia L]

Good day to everyone! It's starting to get difficult finding spiky baby pictures, so I thought I'd post this for the lolz.

It does a pretty good job representing my rants in this thread

Modifié par Cecilia L, 02 mai 2012 - 12:43 .

[Kenshen]

Some interesting pics in this thread. One thing I find kinda odd is that the pics with femshep that are in color almost always show her as a redhead. I had never viewed her like that before and now I just might have to start a new game just for that reason.

[Taboo]

Cecilia L wrote...

Good day to everyone! It's starting to get difficult finding spiky baby pictures, so I thought I'd post this for the lolz.

It does a pretty good job representing my rants in this thread

This is actually really funny.

[fle6isnow]

aryon69 wrote...

Some interesting pics in this thread. One thing I find kinda odd is that the pics with femshep that are in color almost always show her as a redhead. I had never viewed her like that before and now I just might have to start a new game just for that reason.

 I always make my FemSheps redheaded. Idk, I'm just fond of redheads, and I guess so are many other people?

'Tis indeed hard to find spiky baby pics, Cecilia. Here's one with some older turians.

[lillitheris]

Zkyire wrote...

The other is a horror show waiting to happen. I direct you to what happened in Alien Ressurrection.

I love people who think that something that happened in a movie can be used as valid proof for anything.

…

I'm not keen on hybrids, but only because they seem implausible in the short term. Plus there's plenty of orphans of all flavors needing parents.

[ThatDancingTurian]

ardensia wrote...

How does one feed a baby turian, anyway? Am I going to have to put all its food in a blender mixed with synthetic turian digestive juices? I imagine it would be hard to bottle-feed something that lacks cheeks....

Well they have gizzards, so maybe the babies can just eat meat? (Do gizzards work in infant animals? I know baby birds can eat whole worms. ::does not know that much about gizzards, tbh:: )

[Peranor]

Ehrm...

[Sgt Stryker]

Cecilia L wrote...
Disagreement agreed.

Adopting little krogans, humans and turians would indeed be a "best possible happy ending". Being able to have babies of their own would however be the cherry on top.
(or so my hormones tell me, as I've said before: successful procreation = big deal for all organics)

I also like realistic possibilities within the universe, but there's just been so much bad unrealistic things going on lately, so I figure why not something unrealistic that's good? And with good writing, anything can be explained as possible.

This is the point where I would have to disagree. To me, an ideal ending would be one in which the human race is able to rebuild faster than the other species in the galaxy, and as a result is able to achieve order, stability, and prosperity. The "cherry on top" part for me would be if Shepard continued to serve with distinction in the Alliance, and was the tip of the spear responsible for the foundation of a mighty human empire.