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J717 wrote...

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Let me guess; you lost, because you're bad, and the 3 other people you were playing with were bad. Prove me wrong. You can't, you know why? Because good players have no problems beating Random/Random/Gold matches. I don't just "forget" how to be competent because I stepped into a few random/random/Gold matches after farming FBW/G/G for an hour.

But I guess you losing means Gold is somehow difficult, instead of you and/or the people you play(ed) with being bad. 

Again, good try bro.


Oh yeah, I'm bad and my friends are bad so much!!!

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Uh, I wasn't even talking to you....reading comprehension much?

And you're bragging about Cerberus on Firebase White...really? LOL. That's literally 2% harder than Geth on FBW. Man, you and your friends are so 1337!

Come back with Reapers on Gold with all sub Level 3s at FB Giant or Hydra and let's see you post anything close to that.


Ah... me and my friends actualy did this, it isnt all that hard. :)
but, it involves Camping, just like in FWGG.  our enemy was the Reapers, and the max lvl was 5 i think.

You know that room with a Sphere in it?  (Left bottom corner from the LZ)  well, u need 2 guys gurding the entry right infront of the SPhere, and 1 or 2 guys gurding behind (Where that Train of some sorts is) the Crates.

Ya, you can pritty much do it with eeeez.  
Oh but you got to have a Infiltrator with a long CLoack to desable or whatever the devices...
and you got to scream in the Mic if you are overwhelmd by Banshees, so the squad can lend you a few bullets.

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a ViciousFerret wrote...

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The people complaining about farmers
don't understand. The farmers aren't playing the same game as you. For
them the game isn't beating enemies and missions. For them the game is
opening up crates. Farming is the work they have to do to play the game.


It's long been established that farmers farm credits to open crates to get weapons to farm some more. [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/pinched.png[/smilie]

If that is their idea of fun, then cool. Not my concern.

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Keep it. Just know that if they do happen to fix the biggest balance issue in the entire MP you will need to go back to bronze. (at least silver)


LOL @ implying that Random/Random/Gold is remotely difficult when you're playing with a team of competent people.

Gold gives the illusion of difficulty only because people are playing with people that don't know what they're doing. Get with 3 other competent people, and enjoy coming to the realization that Gold offers no substantial challenge over Silver, except that it might take you 3-4 minutes longer to complete, and you get twice as many credits for doing so. 

Nice try though.

If the above is true, why do people farm Gold?


Because it's faster to accumulate credits on Gold with a fully-competent team, and faster still doing it on FBW/G/G/

Really, after beating Every enemy type on every map on Gold with multiple classes and builds, there isn't much else to do other than farm. Hence why people use FBW/G/G. Every minute counts.


It is not faster, it is slower. I assure you I can beat FBW on Gold much much quicker without farming than with farming. Farming takes 28-30 minutes usually with randoms. Playing FBW (One of the easier maps in general) as the developers intended should take you max 22 minutes.

That said, there are also farming locations on other maps that are much faster than FBW, just are also a little more chaotic and require actual skill to play as.

Farming FBW isn't quick credits, people farm FBW because it is effortless and requires no skill and is guaranteed credits.


I don't always play with Randoms if I can help it. I don't trust randoms enough to be fully competent or efficient enough, even on FBW/G/G or other farming locations.

With FBW/G/G farming runs, even with farming "mode," the groups I play with complete it around 20 min., simply because we don't care to extract on Wave 11 as we have absolutely no need for it with Level 20 characters.

So whatever your calculations are, it doesn't apply to me or the people I play with, as we accomplish the task sufficiently enough.

Also, no one cares about the chaos or "skill" required in farming runs. They're farming runs; if we want to inject the word skill in there, we can discuss non-farming, Gold-Random runs. Otherwise, it doesn't really matter how difficult it is. If it's in the ballpark of 20 min. completion for 10 waves, it's more than efficient enough. FBW/G/G is 9.9/10 going to be consistently efficient, as is the payout. Nothing you said invalidates my argument about how efficient FBW/G/G is. You're just attempting to find another angle to appear like you're so far "above" FBW/G/G farming. Please.

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... all two of them? That's literally how many people are on my friends-list that play ME3. And then I can't even coordinate worth a damn when I can get them online because of a busted mic. Most of my friends play worthless shooters like GAYlo.


There is plenty of likeminded crybabies in this thread alone, play with them!


I like how you call people cry babies when you yourself seem barely mature enough to be out of diapers let alone playing a game with an M rating. <_<

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Hmm. You have friends who like Mass Effect that you play regularly with and you waste that on farming? You make my blood boil. =P

But yah, if you don't play with randoms then you can't really comment on farming with randoms.

No one cares about skill required in farming runs because they're farming runs? Ok, if they are purely in this for the credits, then why don't they farm some other maps that are both quicker and funner? We were discussing farming on Glacier a couple pages back in this thread for example. People farm FBW because it doesn't require you to be good or actually put effort into playing well, it is effortless and skill-less.

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Hmm. You have friends who like Mass Effect that you play regularly with and you waste that on farming? You make my blood boil. =P

But yah, if you don't play with randoms then you can't really comment on farming with randoms.

No one cares about skill required in farming runs because they're farming runs? Ok, if they are purely in this for the credits, then why don't they farm some other maps that are both quicker and funner? We were discussing farming on Glacier a couple pages back in this thread for example. People farm FBW because it doesn't require you to be good or actually put effort into playing well, it is effortless and skill-less.


Hmm. You seem like one of those people that really just want to find a way to define how everyone else plays the game. It's quite amusing.

I've done 3 playthroughs of ME3, twice on Insanity, and after the ending, I can't get myself to touch SP again...at least not until after EC.

My friends are all pretty much in the same boat.

With MP, we've beaten every enemy type on every map on every difficulty level with multiple builds, including all the troll builds you can think of. Check.

The only thing left to do is farm for credits, because, well - the only actual, substantive thing to play for are N7 weapons. I'm not sure why people go out of their way to continuously attempt to persuade others about how skilless and effortless and yada yada yada farming FBW/G/G is.

We know that. No one cares. In the end, it's 200+K credits/hr. It's guaranteed. I don't find it any more fun farming on NOT FBW/G/G, so why bother? If we want fun, we'll actually play a legitimate map, take our time, and just enjoy playing.

You seem to be making the assumption that just because farming other maps and whatnot for you is going to apply to everyone else. "Why not farm other maps that are both quicker and funner?" Because those are both subjective viewpoints on it being quicker and funner. Unfortunately, you seem completely incapabale of understanding that.

Again, despite how badly you want to try to seem like you're playing all sides, you're literally galloping on your high horse, trying to grasp at any way possible to show that anyone opting to play FBW/G/G lacks skill, or whatever.

And that, my friend...is extremely sad.

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You can host your own game of a map/difficulty of your choosing (or use the quick search filters) - this is a non-issue.

If the multiplayer wasn't specifically geared to try to get people to pony up for microtransactions farming would not take place on this scale. If you don't like the farming blame the progression/unlock system not the players.

I've done a fair bit of farming, mainly because I have really bad luck with drops (getting character cards when you've already maxed them should not happen! Especially when you're stil missing characters from the base game let alone the dlc).

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J717 wrote...

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Hmm. You have friends who like Mass Effect that you play regularly with and you waste that on farming? You make my blood boil. =P

But yah, if you don't play with randoms then you can't really comment on farming with randoms.

No one cares about skill required in farming runs because they're farming runs? Ok, if they are purely in this for the credits, then why don't they farm some other maps that are both quicker and funner? We were discussing farming on Glacier a couple pages back in this thread for example. People farm FBW because it doesn't require you to be good or actually put effort into playing well, it is effortless and skill-less.


Hmm. You seem like one of those people that really just want to find a way to define how everyone else plays the game. It's quite amusing.

I've done 3 playthroughs of ME3, twice on Insanity, and after the ending, I can't get myself to touch SP again...at least not until after EC.

My friends are all pretty much in the same boat.

With MP, we've beaten every enemy type on every map on every difficulty level with multiple builds, including all the troll builds you can think of. Check.

The only thing left to do is farm for credits, because, well - the only actual, substantive thing to play for are N7 weapons. I'm not sure why people go out of their way to continuously attempt to persuade others about how skilless and effortless and yada yada yada farming FBW/G/G is.

We know that. No one cares. In the end, it's 200+K credits/hr. It's guaranteed. I don't find it any more fun farming on NOT FBW/G/G, so why bother? If we want fun, we'll actually play a legitimate map, take our time, and just enjoy playing.

You seem to be making the assumption that just because farming other maps and whatnot for you is going to apply to everyone else. "Why not farm other maps that are both quicker and funner?" Because those are both subjective viewpoints on it being quicker and funner. Unfortunately, you seem completely incapabale of understanding that.

Again, despite how badly you want to try to seem like you're playing all sides, you're literally galloping on your high horse, trying to grasp at any way possible to show that anyone opting to play FBW/G/G lacks skill, or whatever.

And that, my friend...is extremely sad.

*sigh* ignoring all the crap and moving on...

How is it subjective? The other maps are by definition quicker to farm. If you can farm FBW in 20 minutes with friends, then next time you gather your friends, try farming on Glacier and see how quick you can do it. If you say you don't think one map is funner to farm than the other then surely you are interested in farming a map that is quicker to farm?

If you aren't exagerating with your times, then you probably could farm Glacier in 16 minutes with your friends, which is an extra 65k credits for every hour and a bit then what you already are getting in FBW.

And for the record, I am definitely against farming, but I can see why people farm (store system is ****, we can all agree on that).

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Never mind.

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How cant they farm ? Most people that want to play random gold are kicked because not having super good weapons .. I understand those that farm .. I did fbwgg 3 times in a row but then i stopped because it was making me change the game (that and some bad luck at store )

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Ona Demonie wrote...

Never mind.


Heh, my thoughts exactly!

I now remember why I stopped even posting in the MP forum in the first place - people here seem to care more about how other people play a game than they do anything else. It's extremely, extremely amusing to see. And they do it with such authority too!

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J717 wrote...

Ona Demonie wrote...

Never mind.


Heh, my thoughts exactly!

I now remember why I stopped even posting in the MP forum in the first place - people here seem to care more about how other people play a game than they do anything else. It's extremely, extremely amusing to see. And they do it with such authority too!


QFT.
Either that, or telling people they suck because they can't play gold reapers with level 1 squad...

Farming is always going to happen in any game with this type of store system.

I do some farm games because I haven't even unlocked half of the rare characters despite having played enough to have a N7 230 score with only about 4 promotions in total.

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J717 wrote...

Ona Demonie wrote...

Never mind.


Heh, my thoughts exactly!

I now remember why I stopped even posting in the MP forum in the first place - people here seem to care more about how other people play a game than they do anything else. It's extremely, extremely amusing to see. And they do it with such authority too!

It is hard to not talk about farming when that is the topic of the conversation. *facepalm*

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J717 wrote...

Star fury wrote...

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Let me guess; you lost, because you're bad, and the 3 other people you were playing with were bad. Prove me wrong. You can't, you know why? Because good players have no problems beating Random/Random/Gold matches. I don't just "forget" how to be competent because I stepped into a few random/random/Gold matches after farming FBW/G/G for an hour.

But I guess you losing means Gold is somehow difficult, instead of you and/or the people you play(ed) with being bad. 

Again, good try bro.


Oh yeah, I'm bad and my friends are bad so much!!!

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Uh, I wasn't even talking to you....reading comprehension much?

And you're bragging about Cerberus on Firebase White...really? LOL. That's literally 2% harder than Geth on FBW. Man, you and your friends are so 1337!

Come back with Reapers on Gold with all sub Level 3s at FB Giant or Hydra and let's see you post anything close to that.


You can try succesful gold extraction first. Not on fb white gg obviously. Then I consider you worth talking or not.

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Megamen502 wrote...

How cant they farm ? Most people that want to play random gold are kicked because not having super good weapons .. I understand those that farm .. I did fbwgg 3 times in a row but then i stopped because it was making me change the game (that and some bad luck at store )


You can easily "beat gold" with basic weapons - i.e. Mantis, Phalanx. Most people kicked from lobbies not only on gold, but silver too because they have ridiculous loadouts(two heavy weapons), or low level chars.

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Star fury wrote...

J717 wrote...

Star fury wrote...

J717 wrote...

Let me guess; you lost, because you're bad, and the 3 other people you were playing with were bad. Prove me wrong. You can't, you know why? Because good players have no problems beating Random/Random/Gold matches. I don't just "forget" how to be competent because I stepped into a few random/random/Gold matches after farming FBW/G/G for an hour.

But I guess you losing means Gold is somehow difficult, instead of you and/or the people you play(ed) with being bad. 

Again, good try bro.


Oh yeah, I'm bad and my friends are bad so much!!!

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Uh, I wasn't even talking to you....reading comprehension much?

And you're bragging about Cerberus on Firebase White...really? LOL. That's literally 2% harder than Geth on FBW. Man, you and your friends are so 1337!

Come back with Reapers on Gold with all sub Level 3s at FB Giant or Hydra and let's see you post anything close to that.


You can try succesful gold extraction first. Not on fb white gg obviously. Then I consider you worth talking or not.




wow tell me how they survived because i know of no way alevel 1;s and level 2 can survive on a gold map.. and do damage to a enemy

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@ rasputin17

I gave you a legit advice, can't help it if you can't handle that.

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 Well, whenever I play Firebase White now and then with friends, we still treat it like any other gold match...except we definitely use that exploit to an advantage. It doesn't lessen skill per say, especially becuase most of the hacking objectives involve being in the open areas of the map. 

Also, everyone probably finds a 'safe zone' in each map to recover if needed. I know I do, at least!

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Star fury wrote...

You can try succesful gold extraction first. Not on fb white gg obviously. Then I consider you worth talking or not.


Talking like a 13 year old is a great way to get your argument across.

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Farmers: You can't keep parroting the "nothing anybody does affects anyone else in any way" argument. We all share one community, and in this case, even just one difficulty level. Some people want to play the other 20 combinations of map+enemy, and are (attempting to) play for what fun/challenge remains in the game. Playing random matches with quite possibly sub-optimal classes/builds/players helps maintain some semblance of challenge for that group.

Having a huge chunk of farmers on FBW/G/G either means those not interested in running that same map+enemy ad infinitum either have to give up and play FBW/G/G, forfeit the ability to select "Random" for anything, are forced to arrange private games and max out their friend list to hopefully always have people to play with, or else host themself and hope that you get a game started in the next hour (all while enduring people who join and try to demand you switch to FBW/G/G, or see that it's not FBW/G/G and immediately leave, or have the gall to try to kick people who are using what they consider sub-optimal builds/weapons/classes).

Plus, the farming community brings people "out of depth" to a difficulty they really haven't adapted to yet (not calling farmers "bad" - just noting that most dedicated farmers aren't truly adapted to the difficulty, only to FBWhite/Geth). This also somewhat breeds this terrible habit of kicking anyone who isn't using a super-optimal build/weapon/class, because "if I (an amazing gold master who has beaten FBW/G/G a bazillion times) can't beat gold when not using a
Salarian/Asari/Geth, then surely nobody else can either, and we will be sure to lose."


Anti-farmers: Again, we all share a community. You cannot dictate or shame/guilt people into playing the way you think they "should." Many people (probably even the majority) gravitate towards the path of least resistance, especially the one with the greatest reward/gain. Lots of people have become accustomed to games (MMOs, RPG-element shooters, etc.) where the only real goals are either "gain levels/unlock gear/get rare stuff/achievements" and "have fun/enjoy the challenge" - and a lot of people don't acknowledge/recognize the latter as a worthy goal when they're not getting the most/highest possible virtual rewards. Credits are pseudo-tangible, "fun/challenge" is not.

Even if Bioware were to "fix" FBWhite to be more in accordance with the other maps, there are still plenty of maps with an easily fortifiable position that turns the game into a point-and-click shooting gallery. FBWhite is simply the most widely known/popularized easily exploitable map, so even if FBW (orthe AI) gets "fixed," everyone will just gravitate toward the next spot/map.

With both groups being such a large portion of the community/playerbase, most attempts to 'correct" the situation with FBW will either have no real affect (apart from causing a mass migration of farmers to another "easy" map/enemy combo, still staying on Gold). The easiest (possibly "best") solution I can think of is introducing a Platinum/challenge difficulty, but giving it the same (or even lower) rewards as Gold. This way, farmers aren't coming out of depth to maximize rewards/gain. Gold becomes the farming difficulty for those not interested in challenge/fun, Platinum becomes the difficulty for those who value challenge/fun over credits, Silver/Bronze remain the same. </rambling>

Modifié par Iodine, 30 avril 2012 - 12:07 .


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Just a nitpick, but why would people not farm Platinum if such a level was introduced?

Also other farming/camping locations in other maps do not take advantage of the AI and would actually take effort to farm. There is a reason people choose to farm FBW instead of other maps.

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a ViciousFerret wrote...

Just a nitpick, but why would people not farm Platinum if such a level was introduced?


Thresher Maws that spawn wherever you happen to be hiding.

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ME3 Multiplayer was never good.

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Every game has its farmers. I personally love doing things legit more fun and action packed. Rather then sitting there spamming grab kills...

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What i want to know is why are the complainers of farming worried about it? How does farming in a game your not in directly affect you?? SO if me and 3 friends farm on private does it show up on your screen and ruin it? Seriously. your just mad because you have less credits than everyone else. If you dont like it then host your own lobby!

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If they just changed the Geth to send hunters through the back doors while primes and pyros occupy the other doors they could turn the camping spot into a death trap.